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    Posted: 02 May 2009 at 18:04
For the overwhelming majority of you who predicted  a comprehensive Bees win over Cambs the final score was Bees 29- 45 Cambs.  Most of the damage done in the first half, as has become the Cambs way.  Encouragingly, the Cambs second half didn't fall away as has been happening.

So, Mal was right.  The Bees team that beat Druth was largely unchanged with no changes to the potent attacking back line.

V Redruth        V Cambs
       
Reece Spee        15    Reece Spee
Simon Hunt        14    Simon Hunt
Ryan Tomlinson   13    Ryan Tomlinson
Rod Petty           12    Rod Petty
Mitchell Culpin     11    Mitch Culpin
Mark Woodrow     10    Mark Woodrow
Sam Brown          9    Sam Brown
Matt Long            1    Ricky Davis
Ben Phillips         2    Ben Phillips (Capt.)
Craig Voisey        3    Craig Voisey
Alex Davidson      4    Alex Davidson
Shaun Pammenter 5    Andy Daish
Chris Brightwell     6    Russell Earnshaw
Rob Connolly        7    Rob Connolly
Russell Earnshaw   8    Leo Halavatau
       
Ricky Davies         16    Matt Long
Leopold Halavatua  17    Jack Preece
Adam Clayton        18    Adam Clayton
James Aston         19    Jimmy Aston
Jack Preece          20    Scott Young

Interestingly, many of the coments appended to the predictions were along the lines of "Best team in the league to win"   Just so perhaps.

It was always going to be a lose - lose situation for Cambs: if they lost, point proven, Bees are the best; if they won, well, what was in it for Bees anyway? They're already promoted with little motivation to win a dead rubber.

I see there is also a possibility of a legal challenge to the RFU's changes to  the league structure. Not perhaps from the direction of most hurt and damage, but, and perhaps predictably, from the GP's self interest. However, what's to stop an unlikely alliance between the GP and the NCA teams from mounting a challenge?  Watch this and other spaces!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 18:19
Congratulations Blood and Sand and your merry men. An 11 try match must have been good to watch. No doubt full match details will out in the press.

HITR - Interesting comment from our esteemed moderator on the (now) Championship thread - particularly the first and last sentences:


The simple economic fact for the Premiership clubs is that they need the RFU.

The RFU provide the bulk of their finances - no matter what the clubs may otherwise say. The RFU does not need the Premiership clubs.

It can get international players from any club - it finances most of the players anyway through the Academies and handouts to the Premiership clubs. Eventually the players that want to play for England would drift to the RFU authorised leagues and not to a 'rebel' competition that wouldn't be recognised by the IRB. Players as much as the clubs need to be in the International set up to sell themselves to sponsors/clubs etc and make the most money they can.

The audiences for the Premiership games on Sky tv are pitiful, Sky make their real money around the Autumn Internationals (which are packaged together) and I have it on good authority that any deal on just the Premiership games would produce substantially less finances than the Premiership clubs get now.

If you look at Sporting history, no 'rebel' league has ever prospered long.

The RFU holds the trump cards here, they just need to have the nerves to play them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 19:08
Desperate for a "fix" of live action, I ventured off to see Birmingham v Cambridge. Make no mistake, this game was not played in the meaningless fixture style.
 
 What a super display, particularly from Cambridge. To put the score into context Birmingham scored 24 points in the last 20 mins when Cambridge made many changes. The Cambs backs scored at will early in the game, with a mixture of pace, skill, and when necessary, strength.
 
On this showing,  Cambridge will be right up there again next season and will trouble those on their way down, Birmingham will need to be able to step up several gears week in and week out, or a hard season is in store for them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 19:28
Foggy,  I noted the comments and others on the thread to which you refer.  I thought it interesting how it's developed.  I think what is proves above all, is that the RFU's new structure is supported by very few and for various reasons angers many.  A shame that they can't all come together and challenge the validity of it.

Guinness John; thanks for your kind words. Strength is a key word and I felt we had the strength to survive ( no more than that at the moment) in the new GC.  Sadly, for reasons not of our making, we'll not know for another year at best.

I wish Bees well. They've competed magnificently and are worthy champions but I fear they could well be battered back to Nat 1 despite their obvious skills.

Mal, you're a legend. Loved your provocative and prophetic post on the Cambs website
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 19:29
And so it turned out... Cambridge had met their Waterloo early on in the season!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 20:23
It is not just Waterloo.

Arguably the first 20 minutes against Bees at WRP settled the season - we leaked 4 treis and though we fought back bravely we lost the match we only took 2 points from the match. Had we won we would - who knows.

Similarly the penalty count in the second half against Launceston which allowed them to snatch victory and deprive us of 3 possibly 4 points.

However, it is hard to argue against Bees. 1000+ points and 21 four try bonuses in 26 games speak volumes. They were clearly the better team over the season and had Cambridge topped them it would not really have reflected the season - for all of Cambridge's valiant efforts.

No point dwelling on what has been and gone though - we have to look forward to next season and the challenge of Esher and the other relagated clubs, London Scottish, Nuns and of course old freinds 'Druth, Tynedale et al.

Unless of course the lawyers know otherwise.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 21:29
interesting to see if the Bees have the money to take up their position in the championship.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 21:56
Thanks for the words Hans - nackered now and early to bed having dropped DD & B & S off at Bridge Street to begin their third celebration of the day. Succinct reflections tomorrow here, on an emphatic 60 minute blitz of awesome dominance. Yes we let the Bees make honey late on, but that's just plain decent. Point made simply and with just a sprinkle spoonful of arrogance - we are the best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2009 at 22:08
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It is not just Waterloo.

Arguably the first 20 minutes against Bees at WRP settled the season - we leaked 4 treis and though we fought back bravely we lost the match we only took 2 points from the match. Had we won we would - who knows.

Similarly the penalty count in the second half against Launceston which allowed them to snatch victory and deprive us of 3 possibly 4 points.

Camquin


Well of course you are right, but it is hardly comparable to rue not beating the eventual top side which had come down from a higher division compared to losing to a team that circumstances meant were the whipping boys of the division most weeks - that defeat to Waterloo clearly cost Cambridge what would have been a striking success even though of course they still did exceptionally well by any yardstick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 02:42
message to HITR....those late buzzy tries spoiled my prediction!......but did i really mean it?Wink
who knows....who cares.
New captain on the bridge of Cam next season.....the Otter is swimming with the tide of blood and sand.
In come the scots and eeesher.....who will prevail, who knows.....bring em on, the Fox is ready.
Will the summer produce a last minute reshuffle and award the 2nd promotion place to the team that smoked the Bees from their hive?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 06:54
Thomas Snr....We have tthe money, do you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2009 at 19:41
The defeat at waterloo can not be the one that cost them, they lost 4 games in total, and have less points than bees so bees well desevred champions!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2009 at 00:06
2 points:-
1) Who is worried by Esher? Flockhart has gone to Doncaster,Amesbury to Newcastle and Seb has sadly suffered a serious knee injury and won't play again in 2009. Some forwards will get picked off too.What will they have left?
2) The teams in the Championship are a long way in front of teams in this League,and the bar is rising all the time.The strength, pace and skill levels really are higher--a lot higher .In a one off game you can get a close result on the odd occasions but over a whole season unless substantial  team recruitment is done by whoever goes up you will come back down. Bees or Cambridge your forwards are not good enough as pack (as opposed to the odd good individual) and your backs would not worry the average defence. The hits are bigger, the defences quicker and well organised and your skills would be well tested by the pressure you would be under. There is simply nothing like the room available.
Nothing personal,but Mr Hunt is regarded as a bit of a star winger but I can name 12 wingers in the Championship who are better than him. And yes I have seen him play.
The effect of 5 down is that the weaker teams are no longer there. Plymouth spent £1.1 million on their squad and finished just above the relegation spot, and they are a decent team.Still hope springs eternal as they say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2009 at 08:01
Originally posted by B L Zebub B L Zebub wrote:

The teams in the Championship are a long way in front of teams in this League,and the bar is rising all the time.....Still hope springs eternal as they say.


Lucifer, if we all took that attitude we'd throw in the towel at birth. Ambition is everything.

Perhaps we are chasing rainbows, but we'll have lots of fun and make new friends on the way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2009 at 08:03
BLZ You talk good sense. I have no doubt that there is a massive league gap in ability, strength and fitness between the serious professional game and the rest ( not such a gap in the cup). The issue, not even thought through by the RF, is how to organise an effective promotion/relegation ladder between the "heaven" and the rugby earth. As it is, better no movement at all than the hypocracy of the token single chance that allows only a fallen angel to come back soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2009 at 09:00
I hate to say it, but i think that the RFU have managed to make 2 much more exciting leagues for next season.
 
National 1 will be a cracking league with the 5 teams coming down, cambs, tyne, Reds, hopefully us, the scots and probably Ealing pushing for promotion. Add into that Club, Dale, Blaydon and Nuns there are no easy games (on paper) and I would hate to predict who will finish in the bottom 3!! With 16 teams we get a home game every other week, so unlike this year we wont have to go for a month without rugby.
 
The championship should also be more competetive with less mismatches, and if the bees can strengthen enough through the summer, they may manage to compete?
 
While I feel sorry for Esher and Cambs especially, the goalposts were changed for everybody, how can anyone say for sure that if there were 2 promotion places that Cambs would have still finished second?
 
Roll on next year and good luck to everyone and enjoy the summer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2009 at 09:48
Impressed by Cambridge.  I thought the Bs were going to have problems when the Cambridge squad ran onto the pitch; they looked very physical from 1 - 15.  Although I think it reasonable to ssume the Bs would have played much better if it were, I am glad that it was not the league decider.  Would be more than happy to see some of the Cambridge squad recruited to the Bs for next season (of course two are already off to Nottingham; oops, make that Bedford).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2009 at 18:02
2 are off the Bedford, Guess and Fielden. 
 
I think that with the 5 weaker teams from old ND1 gone, Bees will struggle as there was clearly a gap between those clubs (except Esher) and the rest, with the two previously promoted clubs finishing 15 and 16.  Unless the team coming up has a huge fan base or a financial backer the 10 championship + 13th Premiership team will remain. 
 
However, Bees do not need to compete for the 22 league games they just need to make sure they win a couple of the relegation play off games! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2009 at 07:42
Originally posted by lansonboy lansonboy wrote:

 
National 1 will be a cracking league with the 5 teams coming down, cambs, tyne, Reds, hopefully us, the scots and probably Ealing pushing for promotion. Add into that Club, Dale, Blaydon and Nuns there are no easy games (on paper) and I would hate to predict who will finish in the bottom 3!!  
Totally agree with you, Lansonboy ! However, we won't be seeing Ealing next season in Nat 1. They may push for promotion the following season, after finishing third, behind London Scottish and Rosslyn Park.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2009 at 10:02
The big questions are:

1 - will teams like Cambridge have the funds to keep their current squads together, or build on them, or will they drop back to the levels we were playing at least year. Of course some players will come and others will go.

2 - how much better are clubs like Otley, Manchester or Esher than when we last saw them.Again can they keep their current squads. It is so long since we saw Newbury or SP that comparisons are meaningless.

3 - how far can LS and Nuns build from where they are.

I gues we will know the answers some time arround January and then we will see who emerges as contenders.

However, when an "easy" away game is a trip to Wharfedale or Blaydon - I think the league will be very competative with more upsets than this year.

Can't wait for the season to start.

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