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Poll on the RFU &Yorkshire Carnegie - Event Date: 29 Jul 2019 - 30 Aug 2019

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Poll Question: Do you agree with the RFU allowing YC to play in the Championship
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
131 [87.92%]
2 [1.34%]
11 [7.38%]
1 [0.67%]
1 [0.67%]
3 [2.01%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 08:58
The expression ‘the lunatics have taken over the asylum ‘ comes to mind.
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I'm sure Wharfedale would welcome former YC fans to their matches up 'Dale. Good crowds, great craic, fantastic team spirit, no sugar daddies and a real sense of belonging. After all, enough of our players have gone in the opposite direction over the years!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moseley Mauler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 11:42
An absolute bananaing disgraceful decision by the RFU. Shameful. The moral of the story is, as we all know, spend what you haven't got to stay up or be promoted and keep taking the RFU cash
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I thought the deadline was in relation to YC’s progress in recruiting (and paying for) a competitive squad to see out next season rather than purely financial matters?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 17:27
Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:


I'm sure Wharfedale would welcome former YC fans to their matches up 'Dale. Good crowds, great craic, fantastic team spirit, no sugar daddies and a real sense of belonging. After all, enough of our players have gone in the opposite direction over the years!


In Yorkshire for a week (2nd year running) - yet again Wharfedale are away
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 13:12
Please keep voting I think we need to bring the strength of feeling against the RFU and Yorkshire Carnegie to the attention of the Rugby Paper and any other national press and the number of respondents will be important to make the poll meaningful in statistical terms.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 09:06
So far there have been 142 responses to this poll with 126 castigating the RFU and only 2 responses heartily endorsing the RFU's approach. It would be good t get the poll to above 150 responses because if I can recall my university statistics correctly we may be able to assign some science to this given the sample size compared with the size of the population of those interested in Championship rugby

Based upon a sample size of 150 and a population size of say circa 20,000 being a generous estimate of the numbers attending Championship matches on a regular basis (average attendance last season 1,700 per game which would be 10,200 per week) gives a margin of error of just under 8% for the poll at a 95% confidence level.

On the basis that nearly 90% of responders have slammed the RFU for their decision to let Yorkshire Carnegie continue in the Championship it is very fair to say that the vast majority of supporters of Championship rugby think the RFU's decision is disgraceful


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 09:48
Voted 'No but understandable'. For what it's worth, I suspect that in giving Leeds a reprieve the RFU have started down a path that they may already regret. However they probably feel (rightly or wrongly) that it is too late to turn around and will plough on regardless.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 10:00
Trailfinder,

thank you for your participation I was concerned to ensure that all view points could be represented and I think the poll questions are fair. There is almost complete unanimity of view on this which I suspect is due to a number of factors:

- the low regard that many rugby supporters have for the RFU's governance of the club game
- the recent savage cuts in the RFU's financial assistance below level 2
- the manifest unfairness of the decision compared to previous actions by the RFU in similar scenarios
- Yorkshire Carnegie leaving players high and dry to the tune of £500k+
- Yorkshire Carnegie's current raiding of level 3 and level 4 clubs to cobble together a team
- the lack of any compelling reason of why the RFU's action is in any way justifiable

However thanks again for participating
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 10:11
I would Imagine that Trailfinder would have a different response should it have been a Prem team in such trouble and they had been trying to lure the best Ealing players away 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 10:20
I think my point may have been poorly conveyed. I think what Leeds have done/are doing is reprehensible but the RFU probably thought they were doing the right thing at first but are now badly regretting their decision.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Onion Hawk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 23:18
It won’t allow me to vote, perhaps because I only just signed up. The RFUs decision is a disgrace would have been where my vote went.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rinkadink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 00:18
Big Eddie, you have been prominently campaigning for people to voice their displeasure in the poll which renders it largely null and void for statistical purposes instead of legitimate and unbias.

Not only that I could if I so choose, vote again in the poll as the software must be broken when signing in via multiple browsers/devices. I would not be surprised if other people have done this, maybe even unwittingly.

If you want the RFU to pay attention you would be better off starting a petition online via change.org or similar.
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I hope whoever wins the league (and if we don’t I hope Richmond do) tells the powers that be where to stick their promotion. National 1 and below is proper Rugby. Prem only bothered about themselves. RFU only care about England. Protectionism rules.

Club games mean much more to me than rip off internationals. I would not contribute one penny of my hard earned wages to the coffers of that bunch of Henries. I mean they actually think Leeds is Yorkshire but as we all know it’s just a small town outside Sheffield.





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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Trailfinder,

thank you for your participation I was concerned to ensure that all view points could be represented and I think the poll questions are fair. There is almost complete unanimity of view on this which I suspect is due to a number of factors:

- the low regard that many rugby supporters have for the RFU's governance of the club game
- the recent savage cuts in the RFU's financial assistance below level 2
- the manifest unfairness of the decision compared to previous actions by the RFU in similar scenarios
- Yorkshire Carnegie leaving players high and dry to the tune of £500k+
- Yorkshire Carnegie's current raiding of level 3 and level 4 clubs to cobble together a team
- the lack of any compelling reason of why the RFU's action is in any way justifiable

However thanks again for participating



Trying to use this as a piece of scientific research is now stretching even your own paper thin credibility. Trying to claim there’s any neutrality on a forum where people claim the RFU has poisoned their morning coffee isn’t going to yield balanced results.

Frankly it’s time people started accepting what’s happened. The constant bellyaching is undignified.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 07:06
Originally posted by Rinkadink Rinkadink wrote:

Big Eddie, you have been prominently campaigning for people to voice their displeasure in the poll which renders it largely null and void for statistical purposes instead of legitimate and unbias.

Not only that I could if I so choose, vote again in the poll as the software must be broken when signing in via multiple browsers/devices. I would not be surprised if other people have done this, maybe even unwittingly.

If you want the RFU to pay attention you would be better off starting a petition online via change.org or similar.

The poll was initially to judge the strength of feeling. When I have carried out such polls before they generally only garner 20 or 30 votes because of apathy and there is almost always a difference of view. I decided to allow posts to accompany the poll so as to better understand points of view and to encourage those who wished to express support for Yorkshire Carnegie to have a platform to participate.

I will accept your point that my commentary probably does introduce bias in the poll and perhaps the strength of feeling is maybe slightly less than 127 v 2 (taking the two opposing view points in the poll) however as far as RM polls go this is as emphatic as it is ever going to get and with only Richard Lowther putting forward any possible mitigation the posters have also been unanimous in their condemnation.

If you add the strength of feeling against YC shown on the Yorkshire Carnegie supporters forum from formerly die hard YC supporters then I think it is reasonable to assume the condemnation for the RFU's decision and Yorkshire Carnegie is overwhelming.




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Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

 

Trying to use this as a piece of scientific research is now stretching even your own paper thin credibility. Trying to claim there’s any neutrality on a forum where people claim the RFU has poisoned their morning coffee isn’t going to yield balanced results.

Frankly it’s time people started accepting what’s happened. The constant bellyaching is undignified.

I am not looking to use this as a piece of scientific research 373 but the numbers who voted did appear to make this statistically valid which was interesting but I do accept that there is an overwhelming prejudice against the RFU on Rolling Maul which probably does make the poll biased on the basis that most people who look at Rolling Maul are proper rugby supporters and are therefore more than likely to be appalled at the action the RFU has taken.

As for my credibility you are absolutely correct I have none and will never have any, I am just a rugby supporter and Rolling Maul poster like you 373


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 08:44
A lot of the Yorkshire Carnegie supporters seem to have the same values that most of us on Rolling Maul espouse and hope we live by. Whether Yorkshire Carnegie and the RFU can ever now live up to these values is the question.

In a thread on the Yorkshire Carnegie forum a question has been posed "What would make you proud to say you are a YC supporter?" there have been a number of conflicting replies but perhaps the most heartfelt was from a poster named WPL who wrote: 

"What would make me proud.....a hard working team that is over achieving what they should. 

Off the pitch I would love to see the club become more of a community, people seeing it as an opportunity to meet friends, a central space for people to meet for a pre match drink, maybe more traditional rugby club food...somewhere not like a full meal in a cafe or a burger vans. 

Good communication between the club and fans where possible, appreciating recent things have been very confidential for legal reasons. 

Opus I like the idea of a travelling group as well...I couldn’t say I could do everyone due to small children but would like to be part of it! 

Does the name matter...to me personally not, however I can see why it does to others and to be honest being able to leave as much behind as we can with Yorkshire Carnegie might not be a bad thing....fresh start / return to better times"
perhaps there is some hope after all




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Thanks Eddie - I’m the same WPL as on here.
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WPL - we used to have the Supporters Bar in the South Stand car park where folks used to meet pre and post match for a drink and a chat. This was demolished - we were told on the Fans Forum that there would be a 'Fans Village' in the car park but this never materialsed. The Carnegie Bar was given over to us pre and post match, but one never knew what beer would be on, the food was too much (why not Yorkshire Pie and Peas?), and Rhinos memorabilia began reappearing on the walls. This was brought to the attention of the management via the fans forum but nothing was done about it. 

We had travelling groups, but it was not practical putting on buses as the support came from all over Yorkshire.

Leeds Tykes started of as "The Worlds first Dual Code" partnership with the Rhinos. As time went on it became very clear how junior a partner they were.

At the bottom line, if you just want to go and watch a game of rugby then the product at Headingley is fine. If you want something more then it is not the place to be.
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