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Poll on the RFU &Yorkshire Carnegie - Event Date: 29 Jul 2019 - 30 Aug 2019

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Poll Question: Do you agree with the RFU allowing YC to play in the Championship
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Taffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 14:55
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I'll repeat, the role of the RFU is to encourage the playing of Rugby Union, it's not their job to axe a club, regardless of the number of supporters they may or may not have.

The Rugby Football Unions' purpose is to encourage rugby, and its values, to flourish across England. The core values are:

  • Teamwork
  • Respect
  • Enjoyment
  • Discipline
  • Sportsmanship
Have YC displayed those values? 


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So, Big Eddie is really Little John.
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

So, Big Eddie is really Little John.
LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 15:45
Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I'll repeat, the role of the RFU is to encourage the playing of Rugby Union, it's not their job to axe a club, regardless of the number of supporters they may or may not have.

The Rugby Football Unions' purpose is to encourage rugby, and its values, to flourish across England. The core values are:

  • Teamwork
  • Respect
  • Enjoyment
  • Discipline
  • Sportsmanship
Have YC displayed those values? 



Absolutely spot on Taffy. 

YC haven't displayed those values and nor have the RFU because they have been prepared to see other Nat 1 and Nat 2 clubs raided by YC using the monies that the RFU have provided to them.

The RFU's conduct in this matter has been so far away from their core values that it is beyond hypocrisy

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Have we been raided?
YC are still only listing 5 players.
Nobody - other than Cambridge - is reporting player's leaving.
And he followed proper procedure.

Even counting that one knwon unanounced that is 26 more needed apparently - and the first game is 22 days away.

To take a metaphor from the other side of the stand - they are slipping behind the rate.

Who will run out for them at Lady Bay?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 16:34
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Have we been raided?
YC are still only listing 5 players.
Nobody - other than Cambridge - is reporting player's leaving.
And he followed proper procedure.

Even counting that one knwon unanounced that is 26 more needed apparently - and the first game is 22 days away.

To take a metaphor from the other side of the stand - they are slipping behind the rate.

Who will run out for them at Lady Bay?


YC may not have succeeded yet but from what I have heard from others they have been splashing around all over the place like a mad woman's p*ss
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is bribery and corruption at play,? rumours of directors of rugby throughout UK receiving "gifts" from YC as "thank yous" for releasing players......champagne on ice 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 17:40
I looked for the exec committee members and found this......

STRUCTURE OF THE RFU

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dotcom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 23:53
With Leeds struggling to sign more than 7 players - I understand the RFU are considering changing the format of the Championship to a 7 side tournament.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 06:11
Had a chat with someone last night who tells me that Leeds Beckett have registered their players on RFU GMS. So what?

Well Beckett are NOT playing in the RFU Leagues so its a kind of irrelevant.

The thought is that Loaning of players becomes quite easy when they are "on the system" wonder who would want to Loan in loads of University Rugby players at the drop of a hat??


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Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I'll repeat, the role of the RFU is to encourage the playing of Rugby Union, it's not their job to axe a club, regardless of the number of supporters they may or may not have.

The Rugby Football Unions' purpose is to encourage rugby, and its values, to flourish across England. The core values are:

  • Teamwork
  • Respect
  • Enjoyment
  • Discipline
  • Sportsmanship
Have YC displayed those values? 




YC have displayed these values for many years in all honesty. The team and coaches worked so hard last year against all the odds that were put in front of them by the board. Great team spirit and respect for each other. The board however may not have. I do think its a very unfair to tarnish the whole club with the same brush for what has been mismanagement from a select few. 

Not to forget as well to forget from what you said to encourage rugby... YC have had one of the best academies in England and have consistently allowed the young'uns to play and to thrive. 

Whilst I do agree with some of the stuff being said about YC on here, the YC bashing is a little harsh. The RFU have allowed them to stay in the league, let it go, see if they can get a squad together and then judge if they should be allowed in the league at the end of the season. 
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Originally posted by ABL ABL wrote:


 The RFU have allowed them to stay in the league, let it go, see if they can get a squad together and then judge if they should be allowed in the league at the end of the season. 

Get a squad together from where, and causing what damage to how many clubs in the process? Too late....

Edited to say, overall I agree with a lot of your post, and if they could confine themselves to a season of being Newcastle/Sale A then they're not going to win many friends in the process but it worked for Hartpury and it's probably the least damaging for the game (and the players). 

If it's cherrypicking lower clubs a week before the National 1 season starts then I've got no sympathy whatsoever.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 13:37
At the moment they do nto seem to be poaching from anywhere.
Nothing announced since they signed Varndell.

There is a rumour on their forum that they have a deadline to submit a squad list to the RFU.
Does anyone know if that is true?
I assume at this point Richmond will play National 1 whatever, so if YC fold the championship goes ahead with 11.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 13:52
Originally posted by ABL ABL wrote:

Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I'll repeat, the role of the RFU is to encourage the playing of Rugby Union, it's not their job to axe a club, regardless of the number of supporters they may or may not have.

The Rugby Football Unions' purpose is to encourage rugby, and its values, to flourish across England. The core values are:

  • Teamwork
  • Respect
  • Enjoyment
  • Discipline
  • Sportsmanship
Have YC displayed those values? 




YC have displayed these values for many years in all honesty. The team and coaches worked so hard last year against all the odds that were put in front of them by the board. Great team spirit and respect for each other. The board however may not have. I do think its a very unfair to tarnish the whole club with the same brush for what has been mismanagement from a select few. 

Not to forget as well to forget from what you said to encourage rugby... YC have had one of the best academies in England and have consistently allowed the young'uns to play and to thrive. 

Whilst I do agree with some of the stuff being said about YC on here, the YC bashing is a little harsh. The RFU have allowed them to stay in the league, let it go, see if they can get a squad together and then judge if they should be allowed in the league at the end of the season. 
Excellent first post ABL a well balanced summary imo. There must be some culprits but I don't believe its right to pillory the supporters, players or staff for the crimes of a few culprits who it seems difficult to actually identify.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 14:45
The `culprits`can only be the directors of the company who opted for the CVA route and to allow supposedly two year contracts to have no worth or substance and to offer a very small percentage of what was owed .

I think Sir Ian McGeechans withdrawal tells you everything you need to know. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 15:08
Originally posted by ABL ABL wrote:

Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I'll repeat, the role of the RFU is to encourage the playing of Rugby Union, it's not their job to axe a club, regardless of the number of supporters they may or may not have.

The Rugby Football Unions' purpose is to encourage rugby, and its values, to flourish across England. The core values are:

  • Teamwork
  • Respect
  • Enjoyment
  • Discipline
  • Sportsmanship
Have YC displayed those values? 




 


YC have displayed these values for many years in all honesty. The team and coaches worked so hard last year against all the odds that were put in front of them by the board. Great team spirit and respect for each other. The board however may not have. I do think its a very unfair to tarnish the whole club with the same brush for what has been mismanagement from a select few. 

Not to forget as well to forget from what you said to encourage rugby... YC have had one of the best academies in England and have consistently allowed the young'uns to play and to thrive. 

Whilst I do agree with some of the stuff being said about YC on here, the YC bashing is a little harsh. The RFU have allowed them to stay in the league, let it go, see if they can get a squad together and then judge if they should be allowed in the league at the end of the season. 

I'm afraid you can't simply exclude the actions of the board when judging YC.
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Originally posted by TigerTitan TigerTitan wrote:

is bribery and corruption at play,? rumours of directors of rugby throughout UK receiving "gifts" from YC as "thank yous" for releasing players......champagne on ice 

I'm afraid I don't take anything you post seriously based on your past record.
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Originally posted by ABL ABL wrote:

Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I'll repeat, the role of the RFU is to encourage the playing of Rugby Union, it's not their job to axe a club, regardless of the number of supporters they may or may not have.


The Rugby Football Unions' purpose is to encourage rugby, and its values, to flourish across England. The core values are:
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  • Teamwork
  • Respect
  • Enjoyment
  • Discipline
  • Sportsmanship
Have YC displayed those values? 
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YC have displayed these values for many years in all honesty. The team and coaches worked so hard last year against all the odds that were put in front of them by the board. Great team spirit and respect for each other. The board however may not have. I do think its a very unfair to tarnish the whole club with the same brush for what has been mismanagement from a select few. 

Not to forget as well to forget from what you said to encourage rugby... YC have had one of the best academies in England and have consistently allowed the young'uns to play and to thrive. 

Whilst I do agree with some of the stuff being said about YC on here, the YC bashing is a little harsh. The RFU have allowed them to stay in the league, let it go, see if they can get a squad together and then judge if they should be allowed in the league at the end of the season. 


Really, there was me thinking they signed a number of players from Southern Hemisphere part way through the season on contracts they were unlikely to be able to honour.

It was only the influx of these players which kept them up at the expense of Richmond.

I'm not sure which of those 5 virtues that comes under!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Insignificant Tick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 15:45
Any player that signs up is joining a team and couldn't care less about the club and deserve whatever opposing supporters direct at them as they have no concern about whats gone before and all the disruption to other clubs that is going on around them now.

What legacy do they think they're leaving behind as it will fail again when RFU cash runs out and there is no other buyer ? 
What assurances can YC give that their contracts will even be honored as the only thing I can think of is if they are paid up front in a single lump sum. For me, these players want a 
seasons money and then out again leaving behind who knows what and therefore are not due the normal rugby courtesies that are usually afforded.
     
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Camquin  . . YC had to assure the RFU they had a viable business plan and squad by the end of JULY, and the RFU was satisfied. This meant that YC could compete in the Championship and Richmond would be in Nat 1.

So presumably the RFU are privy to all the players who have or are about to sign. Should they fail to find sufficient players now then the Championship goes ahead with 11 teams . . . this is very unlikely as something will be cobbled together.
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