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Poll on the RFU &Yorkshire Carnegie - Event Date: 29 Jul 2019 - 30 Aug 2019

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Poll Question: Do you agree with the RFU allowing YC to play in the Championship
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Camquin  . . YC had to assure the RFU they had a viable business plan and squad by the end of JULY, and the RFU was satisfied. This meant that YC could compete in the Championship and Richmond would be in Nat 1.

So presumably the RFU are privy to all the players who have or are about to sign. Should they fail to find sufficient players now then the Championship goes ahead with 11 teams . . . this is very unlikely as something will be cobbled together.


Looking at it objectively, the best that can be hoped for is a totally underpowered YC team who get thrashed every week.

Hopefully no one gets seriously injured whilst playing out if their depth.

I sincerely hope that there is relegation from the Championship at the end of the season and YC get what they deserve.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Camquin  . . YC had to assure the RFU they had a viable business plan and squad by the end of JULY, and the RFU was satisfied. This meant that YC could compete in the Championship and Richmond would be in Nat 1.

So presumably the RFU are privy to all the players who have or are about to sign. Should they fail to find sufficient players now then the Championship goes ahead with 11 teams . . . this is very unlikely as something will be cobbled together.


Looking at it objectively, the best that can be hoped for is a totally underpowered YC team who get thrashed

Hopefully no one gets seriously injured whilst playing out if their depth.

I sincerely hope that there is relegation from the Championship at the end of the season and YC get what they deserve.

According to The Times today, freeze on relegation/promotion between Premiership and Championship have been timed-out by RFU. September’s rugby committee agenda is now set in stone and October’s meeting is too late to affect the forthcoming season. Carnegie must therefore live or die on the rugby field, not the boardroom.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote knightandday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 22:27
I hope that is the case, unless we get a couple of Championship Barbarian teams this year
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 22:31
Just saw the announcement about no change to promotion/relegation on RugbyPass. Shluld keep this year interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 09:09
So, let's roll on to January and we are just 7 games into a new season of 22 games. YC are bottom of the table with nil points, less then 10 points behind the 11th placed team. They are out of the cup competition having been well beaten in all of their group fixtures.

Will we then see a new 'short term' squad arrive, mainly from the Southern hemisphere, and see them climb to Championship survival?
They only need to fund the additional players for 4 or 5 months as the players get themselves in the shop window and hope to be spotted by Premier league clubs.

From what I can see there is nothing that could stop this scenario from happening, so all those hoping to see a huge fall from grace for YC, finishing bottom of the Championship, may well be disappointed.... we shall see.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ABL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 10:29
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by ABL ABL wrote:


 The RFU have allowed them to stay in the league, let it go, see if they can get a squad together and then judge if they should be allowed in the league at the end of the season. 


Get a squad together from where, and causing what damage to how many clubs in the process? Too late....

Edited to say, overall I agree with a lot of your post, and if they could confine themselves to a season of being Newcastle/Sale A then they're not going to win many friends in the process but it worked for Hartpury and it's probably the least damaging for the game (and the players). 

If it's cherrypicking lower clubs a week before the National 1 season starts then I've got no sympathy whatsoever.




Again, I agree with the not making friends whilst getting a sale/Newcastle A side. But the whole cherry picking from lower clubs I don't get. They weren't able to sign any players due to not knowing their fate from the rfu. There isn't any other way of getting players than a week before due to them not knowing if they are even in the league till 9th August. Prem clubs have forever been cherry picking from the champ and nobody bat's an eye lid. Not entirely YC fault for having a late start.

Also YC would have to approach a club to ask about a player. That club could decline their approach and that would be that, or they could Accept it and take the money offered...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 11:19
Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:


Will we then see a new 'short term' squad arrive, mainly from the Southern hemisphere, and see them climb to Championship survival?
They only need to fund the additional players for 4 or 5 months as the players get themselves in the shop window and hope to be spotted by Premier league clubs.


I would think/hope those notional approached players would have enough nous/knowledge to think very long and hard about it though. Can't see it.
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What Shop Window would they be in, certainly not Harrods, probably Poundstretcher.
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Back to the Carnegie outrage, the Rugby Paper's Colin Boag indulges in an egregious example of point-missing in his article under the headline 'ONLY THE WORD YORKSHIRE SAVED CARNEGIE'S BACON.' He continues, 'If the RFU had punished Leeds . . . they'd have been lambasted for turning their backs on Yorkshire.' Really? Who are these lambasters? I doubt if the good folk of Yorkshire, perhaps apart from the dwindling number of Leeds loyalists, care a fig. Like rugby supporters everywhere they are much more attached to their own clubs than they are to the county. The cuts made by the RFU in funding for travelling and match officials, while continuing to firehose money at the likes of Yorkshire Carnegie, are unlikely to be forgotten or forgiven - even in Yorkshire.
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Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:


Back to the Carnegie outrage, the Rugby Paper's Colin Boag indulges in an egregious example of point-missing in his article under the headline 'ONLY THE WORD YORKSHIRE SAVED CARNEGIE'S BACON.' He continues, 'If the RFU had punished Leeds . . . they'd have been lambasted for turning their backs on Yorkshire.' Really? Who are these lambasters? I doubt if the good folk of Yorkshire, perhaps apart from the dwindling number of Leeds loyalists, care a fig. Like rugby supporters everywhere they are much more attached to their own clubs than they are to the county. The cuts made by the RFU in funding for travelling and match officials, while continuing to firehose money at the likes of Yorkshire Carnegie, are unlikely to be forgotten or forgiven - even in Yorkshire.


I think you have summed it up well
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:


Back to the Carnegie outrage, the Rugby Paper's Colin Boag indulges in an egregious example of point-missing in his article under the headline 'ONLY THE WORD YORKSHIRE SAVED CARNEGIE'S BACON.' He continues, 'If the RFU had punished Leeds . . . they'd have been lambasted for turning their backs on Yorkshire.' Really? Who are these lambasters? I doubt if the good folk of Yorkshire, perhaps apart from the dwindling number of Leeds loyalists, care a fig. Like rugby supporters everywhere they are much more attached to their own clubs than they are to the county. The cuts made by the RFU in funding for travelling and match officials, while continuing to firehose money at the likes of Yorkshire Carnegie, are unlikely to be forgotten or forgiven - even in Yorkshire.


I think you have summed it up well
Colin Boag rarely offers any valid insight.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 13:28
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:


Back to the Carnegie outrage, the Rugby Paper's Colin Boag indulges in an egregious example of point-missing in his article under the headline 'ONLY THE WORD YORKSHIRE SAVED CARNEGIE'S BACON.' He continues, 'If the RFU had punished Leeds . . . they'd have been lambasted for turning their backs on Yorkshire.' Really? Who are these lambasters? I doubt if the good folk of Yorkshire, perhaps apart from the dwindling number of Leeds loyalists, care a fig. Like rugby supporters everywhere they are much more attached to their own clubs than they are to the county. The cuts made by the RFU in funding for travelling and match officials, while continuing to firehose money at the likes of Yorkshire Carnegie, are unlikely to be forgotten or forgiven - even in Yorkshire.


I think you have summed it up well
Colin Boag rarely offers any valid insight.


If someone writes for TRP on a regular basis you would think they had some grasp on the game and knowledge of those involved. Having read Mr Boag's colum today it is difficult to imagine how he could be any more wrong.

We hear, what is the point of Yorkshire Carnegie? I say to TRP, what is the point of Colin Boag?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 16:36
Reading this article it's as if Doncaster don't exist.
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Originally posted by Penda Penda wrote:

Reading this article it's as if Doncaster don't exist.
Also, he clearly knows nothing about the Championship as he states that he has no symapthy for Richmond. Really? Sent down because of Leeds spending money they didnt have and the Hartpury Barbarians?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote greenpower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 21:12
who is he    has he played the game    does he support a   club  ?   or just a journalist looking  for a reaction  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 07:51
I guess we can eliminate the British Army General, a former Engineer. So that leaves a hack journalist looking for a reaction........if he wants to write about these things do some research first I would suggest.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whistle watcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 08:22
Not to add fuel to the fire, but I was told at the weekend that Varndell is on £40k at Leeds.  What will they be paying Ford??
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£40,000, if divided among the clubs in N2 North, would go a very long way to making up the reduction in contribution from the RFU towards officials and travelling. Just saying.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 09:47
Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:

£40,000, if divided among the clubs in N2 North, would go a very long way to making up the reduction in contribution from the RFU towards officials and travelling. Just saying.
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