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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

The hybrid at the Ricoh is pretty poor tbh. I'm hoping Cov go down the artificial route, given the hammering the BPA will get compared to the cuckoos' nest.

The hybrid desso pitch at Bristol is one of the finest in the country, regular football and rugby use in all weather. I really think hybrid is the way to go for rugby, gives it that extra strength but is essentially grass so none of the horrible burns, rubber crumbs, and all the other drawbacks of 4g.
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Originally posted by Dalesman Dalesman wrote:

 Heard that the Hybrid pitch cost Donny £400k whereas the new 3G pitch they are laying now will cost £600k. Players much prefer to play on the hybrid surface rather than the plastic/rubber alternative.

I thought the hybrid was about 500k and the new 3G pitch price went up a bit more as it turned out the sub soil structure was not as good as initially thought so additional limestone compacting was required. Castle Park will be even better for having both of these options available - as a supporter I am very proud of our facilities.
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Originally posted by Rinkadink Rinkadink wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

The hybrid at the Ricoh is pretty poor tbh. I'm hoping Cov go down the artificial route, given the hammering the BPA will get compared to the cuckoos' nest.

The hybrid desso pitch at Bristol is one of the finest in the country, regular football and rugby use in all weather. I really think hybrid is the way to go for rugby, gives it that extra strength but is essentially grass so none of the horrible burns, rubber crumbs, and all the other drawbacks of 4g.
 

If a club can limit the use of a pitch I still favour grass over hybrid and I know a number of players who struggle with injuries after playing on artificial surfaces. Poor field drainage is often the cause of mud baths and Jersey suffered from this until they "bit the bullet" and invested in the main pitch a couple of years ago. I very much doubt whether any amount spent on land drains would have solved the problems experienced in Penzance last season but a decent pitch is surely a minimum standard for championship rugby. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 08:31
The Ricoh and the Kassam are XtraGrass surfaces from Greenfields,

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 10:09

On a different note, I read TRP's statement from Ben Ward (Ealing DoR) stating that the RFU had missed a trick in not combining the cups for the Premiership/Championship. I've always liked this idea, but I will admit that the Ealing-Harlequins game could be used both in support of, and against that idea.

In terms of supporting the idea, there was no doubt that Ealing could play a competitive match against Quins. Even with the majority of their internationals on the field and Eddie Jones looking on, the Quins only went into the locker room up 12-3 at the half, and eventually won 22-8 with a late score putting a bit of lipstick on a pig of a performance.
 
Another positive is that it gave Ealing some more exposure in the rugby world. I must have fielded over a dozen different people's questions about Ealing, most of whom didn't know we existed - a bit of a an indictment of the RFU stewardship and promotion of the championship there!
 
In regard to the game being used against the concept, I saw a couple of things that concerned me. First off, the stoop is as close as it gets for an Ealing supporter, but I'd be surprised if 50 turned out (from a total crowd of over 4500). Not good considering the talent that Quins put on the field. I know it was pre-season, but boths sides were going all-out.
 
Additionally, if the game was played as a cup competition, what teams would run out? Would any more people show up to watch a weak premiership side? Would the championship teams put out their top sides? A real quagmire there.
 
Overall I'd still like to see the combined cup, but the points above (and wins by Coventry and Pirates against Premiership clubs) make the concept very tricky.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 10:27
Cov played Wasps Development. 
The full Wasps side played Ulster.
Similarly Cambridge beat Cov Development - but that does not mean we would compete in the Championship.

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Originally posted by Rinkadink Rinkadink wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

The hybrid at the Ricoh is pretty poor tbh. I'm hoping Cov go down the artificial route, given the hammering the BPA will get compared to the cuckoos' nest.

The hybrid desso pitch at Bristol is one of the finest in the country, regular football and rugby use in all weather. I really think hybrid is the way to go for rugby, gives it that extra strength but is essentially grass so none of the horrible burns, rubber crumbs, and all the other drawbacks of 4g.

Not doubting the quality of the Ashton Gate pitch, which, by the sound of it, is considerably better than that of the Ricoh.
However, I don't think it is in use 12 months per year? Happy to be disabused.
The BPA has three clubs using it from Feb to May. One using it (and concerts on the pitch) from May to August. Three using it from August to September/October (depending on playoff requirements), and then two from October to February.
Besides all that, there's quite a bit of training on there too.
This summer, the pitch has suffered in the drought, to the extent that the jumping pits and track of the old athletics/cycling stadium have been clearly visible in the surface, and not helped by the presence of the concert stage and spectator area for the concerts (Pretenders, Simple Minds, KT Tunstall, and a handful of unmentionable teeny groups as well).
With the best will in the world I doubt any hybrid mix would adequately deal with that kind of abuse, particularly with the club's expansion plans for further teams, and for local (grass-less) schools to use it, while having no other pitches, being a city centre club.
It's a balancing act. And the scales tip hard towards the artificial pitch side of the balance I'm afraid, IMO.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2018 at 12:35
That is a lot of use.
I can see the logic of going fully artificial.
And the logistical nightmare of finding enough time for the conversion.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

That is a lot of use.
I can see the logic of going fully artificial.
And the logistical nightmare of finding enough time for the conversion.

That is fairly simple. For one summer, no pop concerts, and a period with no rugby league. 

'One day' pitch laying isn't the issue. The ground needs new drainage laying, may need the ground level dropping, and will need new lower-level floodlights adding to avoid having to use the four high power floodlight pylons for training and other evening uses.

This of course assumes that no underground changing areas, air raid shelters, or soakaway tanks are discovered when the current top is taken off. Already one underground hole has been found in investigations, and a manhole fitted outside the playing area.
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

That is a lot of use.
I can see the logic of going fully artificial.
And the logistical nightmare of finding enough time for the conversion.

That is fairly simple. For one summer, no pop concerts, and a period with no rugby league. 

'One day' pitch laying isn't the issue. The ground needs new drainage laying, may need the ground level dropping, and will need new lower-level floodlights adding to avoid having to use the four high power floodlight pylons for training and other evening uses.

This of course assumes that no underground changing areas, air raid shelters, or soakaway tanks are discovered when the current top is taken off. Already one underground hole has been found in investigations, and a manhole fitted outside the playing area.

Agreed the other point is to have someone with sufficient cash to pay for all the above and  also pay for player recruitment as if you pay for the above you cannot risk relegation

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 18:36
Any news on pre-season fixtures/tours?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 18:57
Interesting rumours at Cov, but nothing announced.
If the (expected?) AGP pitch does go in this summer, I’d expect all Cov’s pre-season games will be away games. Fingers crossed for one in Dublin again this year.
Moseley have announced they are playing Cov on Friday 23rd August at Billesley Common.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Rossborough Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 20:20
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Interesting rumours at Cov, but nothing announced


What are the rumours? I've heard only of the Moseley fixture, via Moseley.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 23:05
Last year it was announced that Quins would play a return fixture at Trailfinders. Not sure if that will go ahead with all of the scheduling jiggery pokery, but hope it does.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 08:25
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Fingers crossed for one in Dublin again this year.
That would get my vote or better still Galway or Belfast.
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Originally posted by Paul Rossborough Paul Rossborough wrote:

Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Interesting rumours at Cov, but nothing announced


What are the rumours? I've heard only of the Moseley fixture, via Moseley.

The rumour is regarding the artificial pitch. Not the best kept secret ever but one that the club seems intent to keep from the supporters...
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Last year it was announced that Quins would play a return fixture at Trailfinders. Not sure if that will go ahead with all of the scheduling jiggery pokery, but hope it does.


I enjoyed that fixture away at Quins in spite of the atrocious weather conditions. A home fixture would be an excellant test for the new team.

Would relish seeing Harry Sloane against his old club.

Edited by No 7 - 11 Jun 2019 at 10:57
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Interesting rumours at Cov, but nothing announced.
If the (expected?) AGP pitch does go in this summer, I’d expect all Cov’s pre-season games will be away games. Fingers crossed for one in Dublin again this year.
Moseley have announced they are playing Cov on Friday 23rd August at Billesley Common.

Be interesting to see what teams are fielded as Blackheath are playing Coventry on Saturday 24th August....
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