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Topic: Waterloo
Posted By: Sten
Subject: Waterloo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 10:05
Wanted to see if anyone has any news relating to Loo. A new topic means we don't hog the other ones (which I know people love!)

Any team news for this weekend?


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Posted By: taniwha
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 18:29
I'm thinking..... There must be some news of Waterloo?? Wink


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 18:53
The 18:15 is running late.

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Posted By: lydiate lass
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 22:09
er... it kicks off at 2pm and I other than that know no more than you at this stage Sten. See you there? If I can tear myself away from the olympics that is!



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 00:40
Originally posted by taniwha taniwha wrote:

I'm thinking..... There must be some news of Waterloo?? Wink


Napoleon lost?

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Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 07:05
Napoleon did surrender, according to the song...


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 19:24
Congratulations to Newport on their victory today..albeit against a near 2nd/colts XI. Well deserved all the same & good luck for the rest of the season.

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Posted By: Friendly prop
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 11:24
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Congratulations to Newport on their victory today..albeit against a near 2nd/colts XI. Well deserved all the same & good luck for the rest of the season.

It's no wonder they lost then playing XI v XV LOL


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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 12:40
Originally posted by Friendly prop Friendly prop wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Congratulations to Newport on their victory today..albeit against a near 2nd/colts XI. Well deserved all the same & good luck for the rest of the season.


It's no wonder they lost then playing XI v XV LOL


Haha....yeah, still in cricket mode, although it did look like at times, but as many as 10 firsts missing yesterday.

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 18:47
I didn't manage to catch the game yesterday.How did the game go despite the result,who from last years squad played,did the new signings play,who impressed.


Posted By: TooOldToScrum
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 15:25
Sten, News at Loo, Dan King posted on Linked in advertising for Front Row and 2nd Row players offering accommodation, help finding a job and match fees.

I think the need was obvious at last Saturdays pre season game inspite protestations form DoR on Facebook saying that there were 9 First Teamers out.  I think the question is will they be back?


Posted By: TooOldToScrum
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 15:35
The result refelected the game.

They got mullered


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 16:48
Originally posted by TooOldToScrum TooOldToScrum wrote:

The result refelected the game.

They got mullered


They did indeed get mullered, in the scrum especially. I was told 10 players missing but most were backs so the need up front was obvious.
On the bright side some good young talent on show, Radcliffe at 13 was the standout along with the boy at 9 & blonde chap playing 7. Best summer signing Mr Reeve was back pulling the strings & Jack Weare was Mr reliable even at 4 but was missed in the back row where I thought the new lad @ 8 was more than steady. As I've said before, the sun hasn't fallen out of the sky at Loo, but maybe the clouds have dimmed it's brightness...for now anyway. COYGB.

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 17:20
Its always great to hear of young talent coming through,johny roberts i believe is the young 9s name.who played front row,did david gairns play many minutes,i heard we had signed an ex scottish premiership loosehead from fylde,how did he do?


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 17:53
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Its always great to hear of young talent coming through,johny roberts i believe is the young 9s name.who played front row,did david gairns play many minutes,i heard we had signed an ex scottish premiership loosehead from fylde,how did he do?


Mustn't have played, front row got creamed for most of the game. Gairns played majority of the game.. A number of colts & 2's/3rds so result was understandable but certainly not the end if the world.

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 18:00
New coach he likely has his own way of doing things such as scrummaging being an ex international tighthead.i wouldn't go writing every player off just yet,i doubt it was just the front row getting dicked if indeed it was a young pack 2-3 xv i imagine the opposition had a significant weight advantage across the whole pack.roll on when universities come back


Posted By: mightypen
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 23:21
Waterloo offering accommodation match fees and jobs well I never......
Scottish prem prop from Fylde read Liam launders


Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 08:19
It would appear that players at Nat 3 level now expect to be recompensed in some way - and many of the clubs are willing to risk financial meltdown in order to survive at that level. I am aware that at least one club has now resisted this trend but only time will tell whether or not it will survive.
 
How many clubs in the current N3N DON'T pay?


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 09:35
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Its always great to hear of young talent coming through,johny roberts i believe is the young 9s name.who played front row,did david gairns play many minutes,i heard we had signed an ex scottish premiership loosehead from fylde,how did he do?


Mustn't have played, front row got creamed for most of the game. Gairns played majority of the game.. A number of colts & 2's/3rds so result was understandable but certainly not the end if the world.


Having just see his mugshot, I believe he was playing. Could be wrong but didn't he come off injured?

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Posted By: SilverFox1
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 10:27
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

It would appear that players at Nat 3 level now expect to be recompensed in some way - and many of the clubs are willing to risk financial meltdown in order to survive at that level. I am aware that at least one club has now resisted this trend but only time will tell whether or not it will survive.
 
How many clubs in the current N3N DON'T pay?

Bigmal... Lymm have never, and I hope and pray will never provide recompense to players, apart from covering the odd train journey for students but I believe our coach usually dips into his own pocket for this. We simply wouldn't be able to sustain it, we're a tiny village with very little by the way of major sponsorship and no sugar daddy to note. The money that is sometimes very generously donated to the club is almost always invested straight back into maintaining our facilities.

I'm led to believe Wirral are a similar set up. I think both Lymm and Wirral benefit from strong links with their respective local schools and rely heavily on a lot of home grown players. 


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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 11:00
I'm lead to believe that certain positions (prop) are very much under subscribed, therefore a clamor to recruit the best available is leading to possible over payment especially at level 5. Other positions are also at a premium, this was made clear when I was informed that a player had left Loo in favour of sedgley for what can only be described as a "toe curling" amount per game, utterly gobsmacked. If that is indicative of payment across their squad, god only knows how they can afford it.

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Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 11:14
Ilkley are a CASC and don't pay players and I believe Sandal and Billingham don't either.


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 11:32
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

I'm lead to believe that certain positions (prop) are very much under subscribed, therefore a clamor to recruit the best available is leading to possible over payment especially at level 5. Other positions are also at a premium, this was made clear when I was informed that a player had left Loo in favour of sedgley for what can only be described as a "toe curling" amount per game, utterly gobsmacked. If that is indicative of payment across their squad, god only knows how they can afford it.

Your own posting answers it though - payments like that aren't 'across their squad',  and are only for positions 'at a premium'.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 12:30
Suppose I have...haha. all I was thinking was, this boy is steady with the odd top performance & no more. What i was thinking is this, look at their 1st team squad, now if 6-8 are on this money, then the next 6 are on half that & the rest are on expenses, that all adds up to a fair amount.

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Posted By: Hopping Mad
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 12:45
As we all know certain clubs pay and pay well. However they have not done it "through the books" and the recent RFU edict about third party (sponsor) payments is a clear reminder of those rules.
 
Certain clubs at Level 5 have an interesting time ahead of themselves.


Posted By: Sedge Tiger
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 12:57
And add to that 50k on a new drainage for the first XV pitch (no laughing in Sandal please ) plus a further half amount again for drainage for pitches 2/3/4 and a new pitch 5. This on the back of last seasons new electronic scoreboard, solar paneling in the club house plus all new highly efficient electrics and lighting and a total revamp of our club house thanks mainly to our sponsors. Finally and not forgetting preparation work on the south terracing for a new covered stand opposite the main stand. We do put a more than a tad into the fabric of club rather than just contracts.

One things for sure we pay what we can afford and always have done but we have greater balance on investment structure into the club and facilities.

Max and Tom are very welcome at the club as are the other 13 new signings this season.

Good luck to Loo and all clubs this coming season

All the best

ST

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Posted By: Athman
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 12:59
Yes if BigMal's post is taken at face value then maybe National 3 North would be a good place for the RFU's investigation into illegal payments to players to begin! They can very quickly check how many have been registered as contracted which as we know any player receiving payment for playing has to be!


Posted By: Sedge Tiger
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 13:06
HM

Not sure if your implying any irregularity but to be clear, Sedge have always done everything by the book and what is legally required.

I may also add unlike some clubs you may know who sign players on mass in pre-season but once the any hope of promotion had gone by January severed the contracts of the same players. We have always honoured contracts.

The latter point may not happen at this level but used to be pretty common in level 2 and 3 when we were there.

Anyway

All the best

ST

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Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 13:43
Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Yes if BigMal's post is taken at face value then maybe National 3 North would be a good place for the RFU's investigation into illegal payments to players to begin! They can very quickly check how many have been registered as contracted which as we know any player receiving payment for playing has to be!
 
For the avoidance of any doubt I was NOT intending to wind anyone up but merely asking the question given that living where I do I am out of the loop. From the responses posted it would appear that at least 6 clubs in N3N ( Lymm, Wirral, Sandal, Ilkley, Billingham and Stockport) do not pay  so I guess the league is split 50-50? It will be interesting to see how the results pan out in the coming weeks.
 
I note that Sedge T has entered the debate and pointed out the investment made by S Park. Sedge has a good track record on this site and I have no reason to criticise the points made BUT such investment needs " bums on seats" in terms of both spectators and members to justify the approach. From what I have seen many clubs struggle to attract more than 100/150 spectators which doesn't go far to support a squad of (say) 30 players.
 
Finally I know that this thread started under the heading of " Waterloo" but like to think that its a little like a post match discussion with one subject leading naturally to a separate debate.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 13:51
Not implying any irregularities from my side ST. Don't think u get big crowds to pay the bills, so you must have a fantastic marketing department to enable all this to happen, just wondering if Loo could take em on loan for a month to show our guys how its done. Best of luck this season, Tom is a huge loss for us & will prove a hit at your place...I'm sure the money Max is getting will focus his efforts.

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Posted By: Sedge Tiger
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 14:19
LF

That's the point. Anyone who thinks they can generate funds from gates alone are living in cuckoo land.

Your right we do not have big support even in the days of the championship but it's our 'off field' activity that in the main in recent times that has allowed Sedge to stabilise and invest sensibly into the fabric of the club.

The club house is a slave to exploitation at weekends Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights in all 3 function rooms, all are full and used for various private functions. During the week daytime we accommodate for business functions and at nighttime to various sports/social groups.

The pitch this summer was even hired out for open air boxing tournaments which was a huge success attended very well and brought in good revenues to the club. Don't forget also we have on off relation with Swinton RLFC which no doubt will be secured next time around. (I think).

Up and down the country and at all levels of the game there are many more and better examples of what Sedge's commercial team are doing. However the point is for Sedge, if we did not do all these things, as well as having strong sponsorship and also some excellent support from within the club, we would not be able to invest back into the fabric of the club never mind paying players!

Believe me as you all know there are some level 5 clubs paying a great deal higher than us and most at level 4 and even some at level 3. However if it's legal and they can afford it without damaging the club long term, why not?

Good luck to Loo this season

All the best

ST




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Posted By: Elma Fudd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 17:02
Hold on! Sten started this thread to stop us hijacking all the other threads and its been hijacked by everyone else! is this a bit of a "taste of our own medicine" haha

In all seriousness, 'Loo have seen the damage overspending can do with when the club first went professional in the Tony Russ era and then for a second time with our brief foray into the Championship 10 years after we overspent for the first time.

The club has learnt its lesson now and a few years of austerity and the generous money of sponsors has helped us into the black for the first time in a long time! From what I am aware any money to be spent on players has already been ringfenced (yes, I did use that word on here, lets hope no one from the championship thread reads this!) and this will not be increased by the club. Any money wanting to be spent has to first be raised.

I have also been informed that the club also understands the correct procedure with regards to contracting and payment and uses an approved contract of employment with everything put through the books.

Gone are the days of envelopes the size of a brick for "boots" everything now has to be accounted and proper adherence of regulations is a must or it could mean curtains very quickly...


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Posted By: Sten
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 12:46
Has today's friendly been cancelled? Website says it's on but I found a tweet buried away telling someone the other team had ccancelled?

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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 13:28
Cancelled...they pulled out mate.

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Posted By: TooOldToScrum
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 10:34
Elma. The club do not understand procedures. They made players sign contracts and then had to withdraw them. I think that the point really should be is why are they paying players this season when they didn't last season and wouldn't of had to this season if the board hadn't changed things at a coaching level which has led to the performance against Newport (the players put their all into it but were not up to the opposition) and pulling out of the game against Fylde today is not a good sign of things to come.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 16:40
With a new coaching team at Waterloo of Director of Rugby Steve Wood and Head Coach Stuart Turner in place following the departure of Jan Van Deventer there has been much activity on the recruitment front.
Coming into the club are backs Sam Gee from rugby league championship side Oldham, Rhodri Carlton Jones from Sedgely Park, Robbie Walmsley returns to the club after university and will give added competition for the scrum half spot.
Also joining the squad are wingers Luke Nelson and George Kelly two England deaf internationals with brother Joe Kelly a youngster with loads of potential completing the line up in the backs.
The pack has also been bolstered with the signing of props Liam Launders who has had experience with Fylde, Hawick and Edinburgh Academicals and Dec McClements who joins from Caldy.
Backrowers Alex Tenev a Bulgarian international, Matt Tindall from Fylde and twin Tom who comes over from Ruskin Park complete the line up.
Out go James Smith who, following a knee reconstruction in 2015, has gone to Ormskirk as head coach. James Bramhall has moved nearer to home with Preston Grasshoppers with Tom Holloway and Max Scofic joining Sedgley Park.
Alick Croft and Freeman Payne have followed Deventer to Chester with Nick Richardson having completed his studies at Liverpool University back home in Newcastle.
"With so many changes to the squad the priority is to get off to as fast a start as possible", stated Woods. "We have had our fair share of injuries during the closed season, however, Corinne Allmark and Ray Bramford have been working hard to get them fit for the first game".
"Stu Turner is having a very positive influence and the players are responding to his very open and developmental style," the director of rugby continued. "Players are commenting on how much they are learning from him and have accepted his ‘no train, no game’ philosophy.
We are looking forward to a very positive campaign where we can build on the successes of the previous seasons.
Waterloo had a warm up game at home to Newport Salop which give the coaching team some idea of the potential within the squad and but unfortunately with both their other games although against Welsh outfit Brynaman and Fylde cancelled pre-season preparation matchwise has not worked out as planned.
"We could have done with those games," Turner admitted, "but we are where we are and with everything else going well we will begin the campaign with some confidence."
This Saturday they begin their campaign away at last season's North One East champions Doncaster Pheonix who are the amateur arm of championship club Doncaster Knights.
"They are an unkown quantity but coming up as champions they must be a pretty useful side but the cancelled matches apart our preparations have gone well and we will be up for the challenge."

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 18:12
Thanks for that LF.Positivity at last from a great club Waterloo. Good luck for the season.


Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 19:36
With great respect that kind of player turnover at this level doesn't have many positives for me. Where are are the lads coming through from the junior section?


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 22:33
Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

With great respect that kind of player turnover at this level doesn't have many positives for me. Where are are the lads coming through from the junior section?


For the first time in years there's plenty there my friend don't worry about that!!!

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 10:28
It looks like there is a coupe of colts training .has the captain been announced yet


Posted By: TooOldToScrum
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 10:57
Under the old regime if they were good enough they played and they did play. With all the new players how come Loo couldn't field a team against Fylde?


Posted By: RumbleintheBlundell
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 10:58
Its encouraging to learn that the recruitment team have been busy during the close season but to lose the "core" and experienced players of Croft, Payne etc will be too big a void to fill in my opinion. A long season beckons....


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 11:06
Injuries,holidays,players unavailable.i can see why we as supporters would be a bit annoyed but whats the point in sending a scratch team to fylde to get mullered to fulfil a friendly fixture and we get more injuries.i'm very worried,when any team loses that many players its going to go two ways,new stars rise or a weekly schallaking.


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 11:51
I really did like cecil from the old regime.i caught a couple of second team games last year,he has developed some good boys and men.on and off the field.we should be excited to see how they and new lads fit in playing alongside the talismanic liam reeve,jack weare dan king and jon cunningham


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 11:52
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Injuries,holidays,players unavailable.i can see why we as supporters would be a bit annoyed but whats the point in sending a scratch team to fylde to get mullered to fulfil a friendly fixture and we get more injuries.


Bang on....upwards of 30 players unavailable/missing/injured/gone fishing etc, so no point. We'll see on Saturday where we are. Will be a few missing initially so first few games could be a rough ride but we'll be OK.

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Posted By: Allan Foster
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 12:35
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Injuries,holidays,players unavailable.i can see why we as supporters would be a bit annoyed but whats the point in sending a scratch team to fylde to get mullered to fulfil a friendly fixture and we get more injuries.i'm very worried,when any team loses that many players its going to go two ways,new stars rise or a weekly schallaking.
It was against Fylde Hawks (our 2nd team) so I doubt they would have been 'mullered', especially if they aim to be competitive in N3N.



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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 13:34
See above^^ it serves no purpose to go up to blackpool with what would of been a colts/some twos some threes.neither team would of learnt anything.


Posted By: The gym swissball
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 11:42
Interesting to see that the post from Geoff Lightfoot that was copied over by LF mde no mention of Al Reed moving over to Chester. Believe the club are looking at going down the legal avenue to get compensation for Al leaving, although not quite sure what they are expecting when he wasn't being paid anything by 'loo.
I am surprised by how many people we seem to have brought in, which makes it even harder to see how we couldn't manage to get a team together for the weekend, a week before the season starts. If we are struggling now to get players out on the park how are we going to get three teams out on Saturday? When the best players at training are Blythy and Wolfie (both brilliant players in their day but past even the twilight of their careers) then I think there should be some serious questions asked. I think it could be a long hard season, really hope I am wrong and things come together and we get some of the raft of injured players back shortly. Its good news that Mark Rylance is staying at the club, hope he can get more gametime in this year as he could be a big player in this team.


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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 13:09
Originally posted by The gym swissball The gym swissball wrote:

Interesting to see that the post from Geoff Lightfoot that was copied over by LF mde no mention of Al Reed moving over to Chester. Believe the club are looking at going down the legal avenue to get compensation for Al leaving, although not quite sure what they are expecting when he wasn't being paid anything by 'loo.
I am surprised by how many people we seem to have brought in, which makes it even harder to see how we couldn't manage to get a team together for the weekend, a week before the season starts. If we are struggling now to get players out on the park how are we going to get three teams out on Saturday? When the best players at training are Blythy and Wolfie (both brilliant players in their day but past even the twilight of their careers) then I think there should be some serious questions asked. I think it could be a long hard season, really hope I am wrong and things come together and we get some of the raft of injured players back shortly. Its good news that Mark Rylance is staying at the club, hope he can get more gametime in this year as he could be a big player in this team.


Think Blythy would still beg to differ on that mate, even now...
On the main point, my understanding is that Al Reed was being/about to be very well paid & by signing a contract after a period of "is he staying or going", the club believe he should honour that. From my own & others standpoint, if he doesn't want to be here let him leave. Don't think there's anything but a stinky end either way!!!

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 13:16
All trivial as a manager of a famous football team once said "first is first,second is nowhere,we had an average pack at best with class backs bailing us out,we have retained the backs division and brought in new forwards,i cannot wait for saturday.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 13:22
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

All trivial as a manager of a famous football team once said "first is first,second is nowhere,we had an average pack at best with class backs bailing us out,we have retained the backs division and brought in new forwards,i cannot wait for saturday.


Totally agree, can't come quick enough. Whatever happens, back the players on the pitch & long term we'll be OK.

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Posted By: Sten
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 13:25
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

All trivial as a manager of a famous football team once said "first is first,second is nowhere,we had an average pack at best with class backs bailing us out,we have retained the backs division and brought in new forwards,i cannot wait for saturday.

Only a few seasons ago it was more or less the exact opposite!


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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 13:51
Maybe this new breed could surprise us come april


Posted By: The gym swissball
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 14:12
I know Blythy would beg to differ - just think its sad that he turns up after years away from senior training (which is a travesty in itself and the club should be embarrassed that its taken them so long to get him back in the fold in any way (minis and junior coaching withstanding) and can make everyone else look like a carthorse. I know he has obviously played at a much hiher level than the majority of this squad will ever play but lets be honest he is over forty years old and he shouldn't be able to bully players the way he did in his heyday.
Just hope that he isnt going to be needed in the 1st XV this year because that would reflect on where we are since J'lo's departure that we are sending an SOS to the old guard.
Anyway as I have said, really hope I am proved wrong and we come up with the goods on Saturday against the unknown quantity that is Donny Pheonix. 


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Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 15:39
Ilkley played at Phoenix in the Yorkshire Cup on Saturday and lost 26-24, though a last minute Ilkley penalty missed by a very small margin. So , very close. I suspect our side was more holiday and cricket affected than theirs, but I'm not complaining.
 
Phoenix are a very fit, well-drilled side and have magnificent facilities at their disposal. I don't think the side I saw is good enough for promotion, but equally, it won't be fighting relegation for sure.
 
I think they'll start with a win on Saturday.


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 17:56
Asolutely ridiculous statemant,dave blyth would muller every player in this division and above within a grid.of course he is going to bully a group of lads many of whom hace never played close to championship rugby


Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 19:19
All will be revealed come 5 pm Saturday.


Posted By: TooOldToScrum
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 19:43
How can the Al Read situation not be sorted yet.
I heard that he played a blinder for Chester 2s last weekend as he would rather do that than play at Waterloo.  He would have played for the 1s if registered.
With the small minded attitudes that seem to prevail at Loo now it is no surprise.
We should let players go and play elsewhere and welcome them back on their return.
We did that over many years if they went to another club or code.
The powers that be should show that they are big enough to allow him to play where he chooses, he wasn't paid, what claim do they have on his registration? 
This all smacks of bitterness and sour grapes!


Posted By: Sten
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2016 at 19:49
Originally posted by TooOldToScrum TooOldToScrum wrote:

How can the Al Read situation not be sorted yet.
I heard that he played a blinder for Chester 2s last weekend as he would rather do that than play at Waterloo.  He would have played for the 1s if registered.
With the small minded attitudes that seem to prevail at Loo now it is no surprise.
We should let players go and play elsewhere and welcome them back on their return.
We did that over many years if they went to another club or code.
The powers that be should show that they are big enough to allow him to play where he chooses, he wasn't paid, what claim do they have on his registration? 
This all smacks of bitterness and sour grapes!

Personally I think they're concerned that other contracted players may decide to follow suit. Probably trying to show that your word (and signature) is your bond. 

Understand the principle behind it, but until we hear someone official tell us what exactly is going on, it's impossible to say for sure. Anyone who knows anything must surely only know it from Read or another player so it's only going to be one point of view.

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2016 at 09:20
Do we have any news on potential team for saturday


Posted By: TooOldToScrum
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2016 at 09:21
Potentially there will be a team!


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2016 at 10:23
Would imagine the newbies go straight in...
2 new props & rylance
Weare plus one in the seconds
International back row of...
Tindall/Argentinian/ Bulgarian or an Irishman

9,Warmsley/Roberts/Williams
10 Reeve
12 Cunningham/Gee
13 Robbins/Gee
Back 3...who knows, lavelle at fb & some speed ont wings.
Crowe, doc out for 2/3weeks still & the lad from sedge another month on top of that.
Whoever takes the field will be competitive...COYGB

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Posted By: mightypen
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2016 at 11:12
Gooid luck Mark Rylance re starting career with Loo after your serious health problems


Posted By: Scrumspawn
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2016 at 22:13
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Do we have any news on potential team for saturday
Yes, it would be nice to know if we intend to fulfill this fixture before I drive halfway across the country.

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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 09:41
Originally posted by Scrumspawn Scrumspawn wrote:

Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Do we have any news on potential team for saturday

Yes, it would be nice to know if we intend to fulfill this fixture before I drive halfway across the country.


Take yr boots mate, just in case...

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 11:41
Is there really a risk that a national league 3 club will not be able to raise a side to fulfil the first league fixture of the season?

That is a worrying thought - whatever the club and whatever the reasons. 

Obviously there would be a sanction, probably loss of league points and they can also order that Waterloo's fixture with Doncaster be swapped so Doncaster get the home game they have lost.

If their is a repeat, they could even be excluded. 

Unthinkable surely for a club with Waterloo's pedigree.




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Posted By: The gym swissball
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 12:32
No there is no risk that they wont be able to put a team out - just worrying as to what team it is and who will be in it and the knock on effect it will have lower down the club. Backs wise I am sure we will still be useful going forwards whoever plays, more than a little concerned with what we have up front though.


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Posted By: The Shadow
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 12:49
I think there's no doubt Loo will put a team together. What I don't get, and this will probably be the frustration of members and players of the club, is the turnaround from recent seasons. From the outside JLO has done a great job over the last few seasons to turn with respect a club clinging on to life at level 5 to one knocking on the door of level 4. It seems a crazy reverse of a situation from the end of last season to a few months later Loo trawling the north west this week for second/third XV players. Does not seem like a great plan or strategy to move things on from JLOs teams performances. I hope I'm wrong and Mr Turner has a cunning plan. It would be a great shame if Loo end up at level 6 out of the national leagues at the end of the season just 30 seasons on from being in the very top structure.

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Posted By: RumbleintheBlundell
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 13:18
Abysmal mis management. This should never have happened and the board should offer their resignation if the club are unable to fulfil a first team fixture in the opening weekend or even send a junior, inexperienced team.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 13:53
The Jlo thing has been flogged to death. Rightly or wrongly, he's gone, let's get on & support the new man, new team, new circumstances...we'll be OK. Just to pull up "the shadow" regarding second XV players....nothing has changed there, for the most part Jlo found players from 2nds & lower leagues & helped them show others what exactly they could do, one man's trash etc... I expect a strong performance on Sat afternoon, I think the lack of game time together will be their only problem...oh & phoenix of course. COYGB

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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 16:33
think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy

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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 17:27
Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:


think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy


This lad could quite possibly thrive at Loo given a chance...

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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 18:15
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:


think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy


This lad could quite possibly thrive at Loo given a chance...
2 more considering I hear
 


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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 18:33
Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:


think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy


This lad could quite possibly thrive at Loo given a chance...

2 more considering I hear
 


From caldy ?

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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 19:27
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:


think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy


This lad could quite possibly thrive at Loo given a chance...

2 more considering I hear
 


From caldy ?
believe so ,due to 1st team opportunity


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Posted By: L33
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 10:22
Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:


think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy


This lad could quite possibly thrive at Loo given a chance...

2 more considering I hear
 


From caldy ?
believe so ,due to 1st team opportunity

The season has not even started yet 


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2016 at 13:50
Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:


think you have signed Declan McClements from Caldy front row.decent  player but was 6th choice at Caldy


This lad could quite possibly thrive at Loo given a chance...

2 more considering I hear
 


From caldy ?

believe so ,due to 1st team opportunity


Cool, point em in our direction...

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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 10:26
£75 a game?


Posted By: mightypen
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 11:46
That all ? get up thenribble valley for some real dosh


Posted By: RumbleintheBlundell
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 12:36
Loo F - appreciate the JLo thing has been flogged to death and the club has to move on but what exactly is the ambition? It appears the club will simply saitisfied with survival this season. Going into yesterday's game, there was discussion that we may not be able to field a team at Doncaster. I understand that the third team also had to concede their first fixture of the season this follows the 4th team being disbanded over the summer. From a 3rd place finish last season with a strong squad for the league, the club appear to be lacking any ambition. How the once mighty have fallen - we are now recruiting 6th choice props from Caldy!!


Posted By: Rugbymind
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 13:17
Where have all the props gone??
Few sessions ago I remember a prop leaving for caldy, because he couldn't get into the starting 15
What has happened to the likes of gibbo harvey and other props ?


Posted By: Sten
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 13:51
Originally posted by Rugbymind Rugbymind wrote:

Where have all the props gone??
Few sessions ago I remember a prop leaving for caldy, because he couldn't get into the starting 15
What has happened to the likes of gibbo harvey and other props ?

Gibbo retired, harvey moved to malta (I think), murray is working away for a few months, and scroll back through this thread and try and figure out where Read is!


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Posted By: Rugbymind
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 14:12
I was only asking a question . Cant gibbo come out of retirement?


Posted By: Sten
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 14:19
Originally posted by Rugbymind Rugbymind wrote:

I was only asking a question . Cant gibbo come out of retirement?

That's why I answered? Confused now....


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Posted By: Rugbymind
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 14:25
Yes a little, i was just thinking anyway we could get any1 back. Even if its for cover for a rainy day ...


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 14:45
I missed all games this weekend what happened in first second and thirds.the mentioned props anthony harvey signed for preston and could only make third team and sean gibney struggled to make first team starter for west park.the problem lies in the likes of nick richardson leaving and alot of injuries to the back line maybe bring back ryan mckie


Posted By: I am spartacus
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 15:11
With losing our 6th choices prop who is a good player and will do well for you guys in a time of need we will have to promote Les bone out of Caldy 3s


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 07:07
Does anyone know what the Loo team was on Saturday especially 1-8?

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Posted By: The_Vole
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 09:44
I think you had Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince at 3, not sure about the rest as there was no squad in the programme


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 09:56
Uncle phil from fresh prince 😂😂


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 10:06
Originally posted by The_Vole The_Vole wrote:

I think you had Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince at 3, not sure about the rest as there was no squad in the programme


Carlton at hooker then...

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Posted By: Scrumspawn
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 15:05
No, that was Ryan Purcell, and if you ever see him go down injured hide quickly lest you get press-ganged into stretcher barer duty...

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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 15:28
Originally posted by Scrumspawn Scrumspawn wrote:


No, that was Ryan Purcell, and if you ever see him go down injured hide quickly lest you get press-ganged into stretcher barer duty...


How many did you recognise?

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Posted By: Scrumspawn
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2016 at 19:16
From my position in the Gods of corporate hospitality I recognised half... Gairns, Purcell, King (capt!), Wear, Reave, Cunningham, Robins, Alan, but probably should have recognised Erwin who played last year and our lad apparently played junior rugby with young Dwyre on the bench, but I didn't pick him out either.

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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 02:07
Originally posted by RumbleintheBlundell RumbleintheBlundell wrote:

Loo F - appreciate the JLo thing has been flogged to death and the club has to move on but what exactly is the ambition? It appears the club will simply saitisfied with survival this season. Going into yesterday's game, there was discussion that we may not be able to field a team at Doncaster. I understand that the third team also had to concede their first fixture of the season this follows the 4th team being disbanded over the summer. From a 3rd place finish last season with a strong squad for the league, the club appear to be lacking any ambition. How the once mighty have fallen - we are now recruiting 6th choice props from Caldy!!
should be gratefull 6th choice at Caldy yes maybe ,but still better than what you have now.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 13:17
Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by RumbleintheBlundell RumbleintheBlundell wrote:


Loo F - appreciate the JLo thing has been flogged to death and the club has to move on but what exactly is the ambition? It appears the club will simply saitisfied with survival this season. Going into yesterday's game, there was discussion that we may not be able to field a team at Doncaster. I understand that the third team also had to concede their first fixture of the season this follows the 4th team being disbanded over the summer. From a 3rd place finish last season with a strong squad for the league, the club appear to be lacking any ambition. How the once mighty have fallen - we are now recruiting 6th choice props from Caldy!!

should be gratefull 6th choice at Caldy yes maybe ,but still better than what you have now.
 
 
 
 


On the face of it rumble, it's hard find an argument in your points. I think all of us were left scratching our heads by the decision no to extend jlo's contract & understand about the 3's etc. But if I was to play devils advocate, I believe the club has made a very hard decision, to reform a stodgy old fashioned & quite frankly stale club set up, stuck in the past, an old man's drinking club, trying to bring it kicking & screaming into the 21st century. An inclusive club, where all are welcome & not asked to leave the bar coz they aren't a member...to bring the mini and junior sectwto the fore, after all they/we contribute in the region of £30,000 annually in the coffers, to give, as new (family) members, a vote on the running of their /our club. After all said and done, it's gonna take time to see if this was the right decision...a bit like brexit!! But sometimes in life, in business and sporting clubs, taking a step backwards can make a he'll of a difference in how you move forward. I am 100% behind the decision and 100% behind the team...the only thing holding back tomorrow is yesterday...COYGB

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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 14:26
Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

Originally posted by RumbleintheBlundell RumbleintheBlundell wrote:


Loo F - appreciate the JLo thing has been flogged to death and the club has to move on but what exactly is the ambition? It appears the club will simply saitisfied with survival this season. Going into yesterday's game, there was discussion that we may not be able to field a team at Doncaster. I understand that the third team also had to concede their first fixture of the season this follows the 4th team being disbanded over the summer. From a 3rd place finish last season with a strong squad for the league, the club appear to be lacking any ambition. How the once mighty have fallen - we are now recruiting 6th choice props from Caldy!!

should be gratefull 6th choice at Caldy yes maybe ,but still better than what you have now.
 
 
 
 


On the face of it rumble, it's hard find an argument in your points. I think all of us were left scratching our heads by the decision no to extend jlo's contract & understand about the 3's etc. But if I was to play devils advocate, I believe the club has made a very hard decision, to reform a stodgy old fashioned & quite frankly stale club set up, stuck in the past, an old man's drinking club, trying to bring it kicking & screaming into the 21st century. An inclusive club, where all are welcome & not asked to leave the bar coz they aren't a member...to bring the mini and junior sectwto the fore, after all they/we contribute in the region of £30,000 annually in the coffers, to give, as new (family) members, a vote on the running of their /our club. After all said and done, it's gonna take time to see if this was the right decision...a bit like brexit!! But sometimes in life, in business and sporting clubs, taking a step backwards can make a he'll of a difference in how you move forward. I am 100% behind the decision and 100% behind the team...the only thing holding back tomorrow is yesterday...COYGB
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Posted By: RumbleintheBlundell
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 15:37
Loo Fighters - so, in effect, what you are saying is that the other divisions within the club are more important than running a successful first team. The club is now reduced to recruiting 6th choice props from Caldy (no dis-respect) and struggling to put out a team/fulfil fixtures when only 5 months ago we were arguably 3 players short of a promotion winning team. Clearly there is a distinct lack of ambition.
Surely to make the club more "inclusive" it should focus its efforts on marketing and selling its facilities. Whilst the fabric of the changing facilities and mens bar need upgrading, it was only last year the lounge and hospitality room were fully refurbished.....
Beyond an awful website, there appears to be no outside promotion nor regular newsletters.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 15:57
Originally posted by RumbleintheBlundell RumbleintheBlundell wrote:


Loo Fighters - so, in effect, what you are saying is that the other divisions within the club are more important than running a successful first team. The club is now reduced to recruiting 6th choice props from Caldy (no dis-respect) and struggling to put out a team/fulfil fixtures when only 5 months ago we were arguably 3 players short of a promotion winning team. Clearly there is a distinct lack of ambition.
Surely to make the club more "inclusive" it should focus its efforts on marketing and selling its facilities. Whilst the fabric of the changing facilities and mens bar need upgrading, it was only last year the lounge and hospitality room were fully refurbished.....
Beyond an awful website, there appears to be no outside promotion nor regular newsletters.


Again, I cannot disagree... Changing back to a member's club tho will now enable us to apply for funding to hopefully see through the plans that had previously been submitted. The 1st team though important isn't everything. When you consider the 300+ mini and junior's playing every Sunday and feeling further away from the club than ever before then surely something had to be done to re address what exactly the club stood for. When i visit other clubs on Sundays you can see a huge difference in comparison. Jlo for all his good work only wanted to look after the 1's and most would agree that a dor's job is such. He wouldn't come and look at the next level. Freeman used to come and coach on a Sunday as did Jack and others yet jlo refused. Our club didn't want a dor to only look after one team. The 1's will get stronger, evolution not revolution, it may take some time. Let us not forget tho, that it was the thirds that couldn't fulfil their fixtures last season and in turn the 4's folded because they only wanted local social rugged and that was on jlo's watch so nowt's changed... one step back and two forward....we'll be back soon.

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Posted By: The gym swissball
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2016 at 17:10
Loo Fighters - I know that Jlo didnt really have anything to do with any of the other teams at the club and to be honest I think he felt that the other teams were not his problem and as long as there was no direct impact on the 1st team he couldn't care less what was going on with the mini juniors colts womens on other senior mens teams. The impact that replacing Jlo will have on the relationship of the minis and juniors and getting parents to stay and have a drink and to feel part of the club will be minimal as that isn't where the problem lies/lay. The minis/juniors has almost been it's own entity for such a period of time that they have become their own schism and there will need to be serious bridges built. I think that in many ways the minis and juniors and the people who give up their time to coach those teams feel like they are treated more as a hinderance than helpers by some aspects of the club and aren't necessarily made to feel particularly welcome.
When people ask for things at the club there is never a 'can do' attitude, you are made to feel like whatever you are asking for is a burden and thats not the way things should be. I don't think it was the coaching staff that needed changing but some of the relics and their outdated ideas and aversion to change. Completely understand if you throw back in my face that we have shown a propensity for change by changing how the club is structured and the coaching set-up but at the heart of what needs to change is the mindset of some of the people who work at the club and their unwillingness to embrace change. Players shouldnt feel uneasy about drinking there after games. The whole atmosphere of the place is terrible and there are only a handful of people in there of a week night now. It's very sad.


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