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Topic: Top and bottom
Posted By: Eastern man
Subject: Top and bottom
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 20:26
At lunch today I listened to a number of alacadoos who were discussing the league and the current positions the points made we're that Darlington wouldn't finish top and hull Ionians wouldn't be bottom. A few hours later interesting developments.
Let's open that discussion to the forum who will be top and who will be bottom!
My guess is Coventry top and fylde bottom!
Crack on!

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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 20:47
fylde play cov next week  so cant see league positions altering  much at either endUnhappy


Posted By: stonehousealbion
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 01:15
Fylde get well beaten at Brickfields two weeks back, then go on to beat Park the following week. BS run Coventry very close today. "Lowly" OA appear to have had the measure of previously unbeaten DMP throughout and take the spoils.

At this juncture, speculation about top is virtually pointless and regarding bottom, bordering on distasteful.


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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 09:55
We are 6 weeks into the season and it's quite common for the second half of the season to be completely different to the first.

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So many Christians not enough Lions


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 10:30
Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

fylde play cov next week  so cant see league positions altering  much at either endUnhappy

We've managed to convert trips up to Fylde into banana skins before, not least last season. No counting chickens here.


Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 07:11
[QUOTE=stonehousealbion]. "Lowly" OA appear to have had the measure of previously unbeaten DMP throughout and take the spoils.

I think they had a lot of help from their big brother, in point of fact I think they could well have reached the maxium 10 in the match day squad for this game!


Posted By: BFG1
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 10:24
They only had 4 actually.......never let the truth get in the way of a good story though.....


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 10:37
Of the Sarries Academy lads: I believe OAs had Reuben Bird-Tulloch, Danny Cutmore and Sean Reffell starting with Billy Walker and Andy Christie on the bench and and have also used Tadgh McEllroy this season. Joel Kopku is listed as in the OAs squad but does not appear to have played.

Most of the rest of the academy are at Ampthill or Bedford.


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Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 12:37
Back to the original question - I can't see past Coventry at this early stage for the title.
 
Much harder to predict at the bottom where Fylde and Hull have shown flashes of form in the last couple of weeks. Can't help feeling Loughborough might face problems this season. Their model with regular academic turnover every year must be very difficult to sustain.


Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 13:29
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of the Sarries Academy lads: I believe OAs had Reuben Bird-Tulloch, Danny Cutmore and Sean Reffell starting with Billy Walker and Andy Christie on the bench and and have also used Tadgh McEllroy this season. Joel Kopku is listed as in the OAs squad but does not appear to have played.

Most of the rest of the academy are at Ampthill or Bedford.

You missed out Ollie Morris as well 




Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 13:30
Originally posted by BFG1 BFG1 wrote:

They only had 4 actually.......never let the truth get in the way of a good story though.....

 I believe OAs had Reuben Bird-Tulloch, Danny Cutmore and Sean Reffell starting with Billy Walker and Andy Christie on the bench as well as Ollie Morris   thats 6 !!


Posted By: Eastern man
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 20:18
It will be interesting to see how many "guests" will be playing this week with it being the Micky mouse Euro cup!

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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 22:46
It doesn't matter as they are doing nothing wrong and nothing outside the regulations

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So many Christians not enough Lions


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 12:45
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

It doesn't matter as they are doing nothing wrong and nothing outside the regulations
 
I don't think Eastern Man is suggesting there is anything wrong or, there has been anything done that is outside of the regulations.
I think Eastern Man is referring to the fact that certain Clubs continue to falsify the strength of the Club by borrowing Premiership or Championship squad players. This creates the issue that the Club is strong one week, then weaker the next, due in part to matters like the B&I Cup weekends, when the higher placed Clubs call their players back.
 
We therefore have the on going saga that some Clubs never really know who will be playing for them, from one Saturday to the next, and, of course, this makes it difficult for the opposition to plan appropriately. While the current regulations exist, that's life I am afraid.


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Posted By: BFG1
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 12:48
In touch (out of touch) you said 10! Morris wasn't involved 


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 13:20
Originally posted by BFG1 BFG1 wrote:

In touch (out of touch) you said 10! Morris wasn't involved 


Facts not InTouch's forte

He posted Broadstreet as having Coventry players on DR when in fact they are Wasps players!

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 14:00
Originally posted by BFG1 BFG1 wrote:

They only had 4 actually.......never let the truth get in the way of a good story though.....
 
I think whether they had 4 or 14 is irrelevant. Clubs and their ethos are being undermined by this policy. I know its convenient to import a player or export one who needs game time but perhaps its time to have a long, hard look at our game and the way its run.


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Posted By: BFG1
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 14:37
FHLH Cambridge use them.....or have used DR's for many years.....


Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 15:43
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

perhaps its time to have a long, hard look at the RFU and the way the RFU run our game.
Fixed

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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 15:51
IMO teams rarely change their style based on who is available but the execution could possibly be different. We have had DRs in the past but each has to be treated individually, some have been excellent and committed to the team others less so. I would much rather see the academy system scrapped as I do not think it works and that money given out to grassroots. I still think that the cream will rise to the top as it does currently. There are very few players who step straight into AP teams without spending time in the Championship and National leagues.

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So many Christians not enough Lions


Posted By: Remember Izal
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 16:14
The problem with the academy system and EQP's in my book are not the young guys (rising 18)who come to senior clubs possibly for the first time in their lives and learn about  rugby and life in general. I am aware of some great success stories and real allegiance to those clubs subsequently.They may not even be good enough to get into the club first team so they have to step up and earn respect. They are great for the clubs and its good for them.
However the guys that are being parachuted in for the odd game here and there are a waste of space to the clubs and themselves. DOR's must (and do) tear their hair out at the concept of players being pulled on Friday or being told they have to play and in what position etc.
 
How you deal with the latter and the late developers I don't know but by default they seem to end up plying their trade in the Championship. Perhaps the answer is to have some lower age restriction below that. who knows?


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 17:26
To be honest I would not be interested if my own club went down the DR route. I just cannot see the point of it........it devalues club rugby completely

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 21:03
Yes Cambridge do use DR players from Northampton - but they in turn steal our best players from the youth set up.
Wasps and Saracens tend to wait until after they make their 1st team debut.


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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 21:09
Hardly stealing, cream always rises

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Posted By: SCC79
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2017 at 06:51
Sad to say it appears Loughborough Students could go down. They look to have their weakest squad since gaining promotion to Nat 2 North some 10 years ago. I hope I'm wrong


Posted By: Talking Flag
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2017 at 07:47
Originally posted by SCC79 SCC79 wrote:

Sad to say it appears Loughborough Students could go down. They look to have their weakest squad since gaining promotion to Nat 2 North some 10 years ago. I hope I'm wrong

That and the fact that their coaching structure has changed.


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2017 at 08:05
Coventry are my tip at the moment, however it's a long season and all teams suffer with injuries, but Plymouth, Blackheath and Ampthill will be in the mix.
Too early imo to say who will be in the relegation mix.

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2017 at 11:04
I had Plymouth as nailed-on favourites pre-season. Nothing so far this season has changed my opinion.

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Posted By: Loyal Fan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2017 at 12:26
Danny Cutmore played his junior and Colts Rugby at OA's BEFORE Saracens Academy


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 08:00
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

I had Plymouth as nailed-on favourites pre-season. Nothing so far this season has changed my opinion.

Kimbo.
Big match on the 25 November.

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Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:13
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

I had Plymouth as nailed-on favourites pre-season. Nothing so far this season has changed my opinion.
 
I saw them lose at Blackheath. A very good side but not invincible. Their games with Coventry will be crucial and could well decide the title winner


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:56
Originally posted by Alderman Alderman wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

I had Plymouth as nailed-on favourites pre-season. Nothing so far this season has changed my opinion.
 
I saw them lose at Blackheath. A very good side but not invincible. Their games with Coventry will be crucial and could well decide the title winner

Cov are looking far from convincing at times too though, and have 'got out of jail' already. With injuries piling up (forwards Brown, Boulton, Poole, Jubb, and backs Trimble, Grove, White, Knox, Fenner all 'first-choice' players) who knows how long they can keep it up. They actually look quite vulnerable for tomorrow's trip to Fylde TBF.


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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:00
Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

I had Plymouth as nailed-on favourites pre-season. Nothing so far this season has changed my opinion.

Kimbo.
Big match on the 25 November.

Am hoping a few of the injuries have cleared up by then, but several are long-term, and at least a couple will not come back this year.


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Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 14:25
So a good few weeks in,what are we thinking at the top and bottom??


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 16:46
Nothing has changed since last week. 

At the top Coventry have a match lead but have only played one match against another top 5 team so far, and are suffering badly from injuries. With Max Trimble returning for a cameo appearance (his first appearance this season) last week, and Tony Fenner apparently nearly back after his broken ribs , I reckon there are currently 7 other first choice players still out, plus any injured last week. 

I believe that all the other top teams have injuries too, but apart from seeing a very competent Blackheath a few weeks ago, am going on second hand impressions. Any of the top five must be considered as serious competition., Plymouth (with Exeter support) and Blackheath, most so.

At the bottom, 

Fylde looked very young and largely inexperienced, apart from their foul-mouthed captain, who seems to be discovering that swearing at his players achieves nothing. 

For Loughborough the Leicester contingent of 7 have now had two matches to settle in, which means that their pack should be starting to perform, especially given that five of the pack are getting regular coaching away from Loughborough from Boris Stankovic, as well as their Loughborough coaching from him. I would expect to see them moving out of the danger zone soon. 

Hull Ionians, Esher and Old Albanians can all perform on their day. At the moment, Old Albanian look the most effective on their Saracen days. so, if they can get enough of them, I would predict them to be the most likely to avoid the drop.  


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 16:58
Nothing to disagree with Old Nick about except Boris 😀

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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 17:01
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Nothing to disagree with Old Nick about except Boris 😀
I saw the impact he had at Coventry last season, and expect him to do the same there. 



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