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Topic: Revolt in the North
Posted By: Camquin
Subject: Revolt in the North
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 13:36
Lancashire clubs are apparently dropping out of the official pyramid into their own structure organised by Lancashire RFU.

The breakaway Lancashire leagues
https://twitter.com/lancashirerugby/status/991769243090931712

The remains of the Pyramid
https://twitter.com/TarletonRugby/status/991953279037988864

So seven Cumbrian and seven Lancastiran clubs in next seasons NLC (level 7) - lots of travel for everyone.
There will be a Cumbrian league and a South Lancashire/Chesire leauge at level 8, but not in North Lancashire.




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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 13:42
What's brought this on?


Posted By: thomas snr
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 13:56
historically the north have always been revolting!Wink


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 14:13
How does promotion work?  Do the winners of the Lancashire RFU division have to apply to join the official RFU North West structure?


Posted By: Yogi
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 14:33
It is the Great Schism of 1895 all over again, when 22 of the clubs in the north formed the Northern Union, which eventually became the Rugby League. That also was due to a disagreement with the RFU but at that time it was over the right to pay 'broken time' to players who gave up work time to play rugby.

 Well done Lancashire.  It idea was mocked in 1895 and it is already being mocked in 2018. 

 It will at least make the 'blazers' at Twickenham sit up and take notice.


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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 14:43
Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

It will at least make the 'blazers' at Twickenham sit up and take notice.

Not until we have a poll on Rolling Maul with almost 100 votes and 20,000 views...


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 15:26
Lancashire Clubs resigning from the RFU
English Clubs Championship

Aldwinians
Ashton under Lyne
Birchfield
Bury
Burnley
Clitheroe
Didsbury Toc H
Eagle
Eccles
Garstang
Heaton Moor
Littleborough
Liverpool Collegiate
Liverpool St. Helens
Manchester Medics
North Manchester
Oldham
Ormskirk
Thornton Cleveleys*
Trafford MV
Tyldesley
West Park St. Helens
Widnes
Wigan

* Joining from the NW Intermediate Leagues


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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 16:08
Sound like a great idea with relevance for local community rugby. Well done Lancashire - will it creep nationwide or just upwards in Lancashire?

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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 16:45
The bizarre thing is both Cumbria RFU and  to some extent Cheshire RFU where opposed to it. Strange as it mirrors a move Cumbria did with the lower Teams of their Clubs from playing outside of Cumbria in organised leagues such as the North West Leagues about 3-4 years ago.

If it don't work I doubt the RFU will refuse any Club wanting to rejoin the RFU Leagues. If its a success then who knows............

Some of the detractors have sited "lack of ambition not to progress within the RFU Leagues", quite a few in the above list who have "lived the dream" and nearly lost the family silverware. It's mentioned more than once on these pages that unless your ambition = a massive bank account / sugar daddy / shrewd financial management then the "nouveau riche" good times normally bring a rapid descent to the bad times. Not saying that applies to all but it only takes a Millionaire backer to choke on his Foie Gras and you are left wondering how your going to pay you next bill!

Good luck next season to every Club in and out of the RFU Leagues, getting to this stage of the season still in business regardless of your results is an achievement. 


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 22:57
Mark M-J
As far as I understand, the Lancashire RFU League is outside the pyramid, therefore you cannot be promoted from those leagues. 


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Posted By: Maroon
Date Posted: 05 May 2018 at 00:37
From the Lancashire RFU web site


Statement from Lancashire County RFU

A meeting held at Wigan RUFC on 2nd May has resulted in 24 Lancashire Clubs proposing to resign from the RFU English Clubs Championship.
At  the  behest  of several  clubs a 2 league  structure has been developed to accommodate these clubs and assist them in playing more local rugby against clubs within Lancashire RFU.
Lancashire RFU have not coerced clubs, we have only provided a conduit to what clubs asked us to help with.

The clubs who  intend to  resign  are  all either level 7, 8 & 9. There  will  be promotion/relegation between these two leagues but not out of them as they lie outside the RFU structure.

These ‘Lancashire Leagues’ for club First XVs will be deemed by the RFU to be of Merit table format and therefore clubs will:

• Retain either their voting or none voting membership of the Union.

• Be held accountable to the Rules & Regulations of the RFU

• Covered by insurance policies put in place for all clubs in the Union.

• Be eligible to apply for any funding streams available to all clubs within the Union without prejudice.

• Be eligible for assistance from area & local RFU staff.

An organising  committee of 5 members from the clubs  involved has been formed and they will set down regulations for the league going forwards. Clubs will also be Subject To  the same disciplinary  regulations  as for  all clubs in  the  Union, locally  under the jurisdiction of the Lancashire Disciplinary Committee.

As a  Constituent  Body  of the  RFU Lancashire  will  continue  to support all our clubs whether in the Lancashire leagues or remaining in the RFU English Clubs Championship in the same equitable manner.

David Herriman Chairman
Mark Downs Hon. Secretary


Posted By: Hexhamshire Lad
Date Posted: 05 May 2018 at 08:14
The biggest name in that list is probably LSH who were in the top tier of the game within recent memory. They've fallen a long way in recent years.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 20:51
It makes sense to me.

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Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 10:49
Having read the full explanation it's hardly the Great Schism. Good luck to them if this will provide the kind of competition that the clubs and their supporters want.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 11:18
It may be perfect for the Lancastrian clubs - but does it work for the Cumbrian and Cheshire clubs.



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 11:49
What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.

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Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 16:51
Dunno - maybe you should ask them?

Only a proposal up North so far?


Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 08:55
Big fish in a small pond. Sums up the arrogance of the majority of Lancs teams very well.


Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 13:24
What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
 
Makes perfect sense then the CRFU could then add 2nd teams to the Cornwall Leagues and the top team could be promoted to Western Counties West (providing they were a 1st team).  You would get a similar standard of competition with minimal travelling.
I've been promoting this idea for years but if falls on deaf ears unfortunately.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 15:09
I must admit that was not quite the response I expected - I though people would say why do we need to drive to Somerset bypasssing all the Devon clubs.

There are many ways to redraw leagues.
The challenge is always to balance travel against mismatches.
If Redruth only played Cornish sides ...
And you need pathways for ambitious clubs and also for referees.

It cannot be done on the back of a fag packet.
Though I admit I have tried.




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Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 16:16
Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
 
Makes perfect sense then the CRFU could then add 2nd teams to the Cornwall Leagues and the top team could be promoted to Western Counties West (providing they were a 1st team).  You would get a similar standard of competition with minimal travelling.
I've been promoting this idea for years but if falls on deaf ears unfortunately.
As someone also involved in Cornish rugby (at a Level 8 club), I would say that 2nd XV rugby is in serious trouble in Cornwall - maybe not quite as serious as Colts Rugby - but only a handful of teams perhaps, three or four fulfil their fixtures regularly in the 2nd XV division in Cornwall and walkovers are also a major issue in the Cornwall One and Two at Level Nine and Ten. Meetings were held about a month ago where the stark issues were laid out, so I think it'd be less easy that that, Redted, although I do see where you are coming from.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 11:32
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

Big fish in a small pond. Sums up the arrogance of the majority of Lancs teams very well.
 
Yes because Clubs on the Wirral aren't arrogant one bit. Enjoy playing Wallasey every three weeks.


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Posted By: Blub
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 12:52
Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
 
Makes perfect sense then the CRFU could then add 2nd teams to the Cornwall Leagues and the top team could be promoted to Western Counties West (providing they were a 1st team).  You would get a similar standard of competition with minimal travelling.
I've been promoting this idea for years but if falls on deaf ears unfortunately.
As someone also involved in Cornish rugby (at a Level 8 club), I would say that 2nd XV rugby is in serious trouble in Cornwall - maybe not quite as serious as Colts Rugby - but only a handful of teams perhaps, three or four fulfil their fixtures regularly in the 2nd XV division in Cornwall and walkovers are also a major issue in the Cornwall One and Two at Level Nine and Ten. Meetings were held about a month ago where the stark issues were laid out, so I think it'd be less easy that that, Redted, although I do see where you are coming from.


What is the cause of this (presumed) lack of players in Cornwall?

With regards to Colts in Cornwall, I do see that they reached the final of the National U20 competition last week.. Hammered by Yorkshire, but they did get to the final.


Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 13:10
Main problem (for rugby) in Cornwall is that we bordered by water on three sides and the county is around 90 miles long.  Most other places you can travel in all directions we only have 1.
So the County needs the best possible structure for the teams within it's boundary's.  To my mind that means all playing all as we used to do before leagues, local competition was strong and playing numbers were high.  As Surrey Ben says 2nd team rugby is very poor as the teams have few teams to play within a sensible travelling distance, if you travel to Devon and play the Devon teams always renege on the return fixture.
So I would dismantle the Cornwall & Devon league, putting the teams into their respective county divisions.  I would then incorporate the 2nd teams into the county league structure this would provide more matches for the 2nd teams, less miss-matches as we could have 3 divisions instead of 2.
Top 1st team to Western Counties if they wish to be promoted. 
This would also revive 2nd team fixtures against the local junior clubs, a welcome return to tradition.


Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 15:42
I certainly see where you are coming from Redted - definitely - the query I have is just how realistic this would be in terms of so few clubs having enough players. Several teams in Cornwall One and Two struggle to put out fifteen players each week.  Realistically its only Camborne, Launceston and St. Austell who regularly field a 2nd XV. The issue with Colts rugby is serious - many clubs have totally disbanded their Colts sides. Whilst Cornwall did reach the final of the U20s County Championship, the issue is that players are leaving rugby after U16s in large numbers, potentially because of going upcountry for college/university and then become involved out of Cornwall with the game. Clubs in Cornwall One and Two are considering how sustainable their futures are right now. The CRFU also blocked Camborne's 2nd XV from joining the Cornwall Leagues (Level 9/10) a couple of years ago as well, so that would also have to be overcome.




Posted By: TheGuv
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 21:39
I think you all forget, being involved in the National leagues, just how badly clubs are being affected lower down. Saying that, I find it interesting that every year another national club seemingly goes bust; perhaps never to return.

Lancashire have made a brave call and I think other counties may well follow suit. Changes need to happen below the National league structure and this could be the catalyst.


Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 22:22
http://www.swrugby.co.uk/2018struc.pdf

Some areas have far more 2nd 3rd and even 4th teams in the leagues - Somerset, Dorset&Wilts and BBO


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 May 2018 at 03:25
Cumbria is not quite s cut off as Corrnwall - they could perhaps go East.
However half the men swing the other way - by which of course I mean league.
So Millom with an oficial population of 4000 has  a RU club, formed 1873, with two senior sides and a RL club - suspiciously climing to be formed the same year - with 2 XIIIs. Not sure if they run to a soccer club.

Whitehave, a metropolis at 23k population has two union clubs and three league clubs.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 May 2018 at 17:56
Is the revolt up north a reaction to the RFU deciding that clubs at that level will not be able to pay anyone to pay?

Will they reduce the number of players in a team and evolve their own rules (aah that is Rugby League).

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 00:03
I have no idea.
The quoted reason was the travel time to Cumbria - but most of the sides did not travel to Cumbria.

They also quoted travel times of three hours - which seems excessive, even for a coach from Salford to Aspatria.

And of course, while the Lancastrian clubs went to Cumbria 4 times, the Cumbrian clubs drove south 10 times. And they had long journey times across the County.

Ironically a lot of those trips took the M6 A66 and went past Penrith - who had been transferred  East.

But if you have 16 leagues at level 7 - then each covers 3100 sq mi on average.
But people and clubs are not evenly spread.

The only way to reduce travel for the majority is to have more leagues in a wider flatter pyramid.
But that means bigger jumps between leagues.
And a huge amount of work to throw away the current divisions and potentially CBs and start again.
Especially as there is no guarantee more clubs will end up happier than they are now.

It appears that the vocal minority that wanted less travel has come to a local "solution" - so there should be less pressure to change the rest of the structure.



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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 21 May 2018 at 08:56
with the breakaway in Lancashire,how would the appointment of referees work.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 21 May 2018 at 09:01
It has been set up as an official lancashire RFU Merit table.
So is still covered by MADRefs.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 12:24
So Altringham Kersal from Cheshire get level transferred to NLC.
The Cumbrian, and SLC 2&3 leagues are down to 8 sides and will play each other 3 times.
With one Manx team in each SLC league - 4 Lancashire clubs in each league get two trips a year to the Isle of Man. 

SLC 2&3 will be amalgamated if any more clubs withdraw.






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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 14:57
I imagine Altrincham will not be too impressed with that given there will be clubs such as Orrell and Aspull playing in South Lance/Cheshire


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 15:28
Raider 999 
As far as I can tell the breakaway clubs are utterly against payment. 
One of their complaints was that the RFU was not going far enough.

I wonder if the RFU had dropped the restriction of only two leagues feeding into one and had separate Cumbrian, Lancashire and Cheshire leagues whether it would have stopped the winging. 

Not sure where Manx teams fit. I am told you can see Ramsey from Whitehaven - though it tends to be lost in the haze when I visit the in-law. The ferry is from Heysham and takes too long for a day trip. Flights are from Manchester, so Cheshire may make most sense.


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Posted By: CalderVale
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 16:31
Already hearing clubs are appealing the level transfers. Don't think these league fixtures will be out soon if clubs still have time to move/transfer from SLC will they stay in 8 team leagues? Clubs, reading on Twitter, still have until 8th June to join Lancashire Leagues....Interesting times for Grassroots rugby and big shame blocks are not playing week in week out Saturday afternoon any more...Enjoy the summer


Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 17:33
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Raider 999 
As far as I can tell the breakaway clubs are utterly against payment. 
One of their complaints was that the RFU was not going far enough.

I wonder if the RFU had dropped the restriction of only two leagues feeding into one and had separate Cumbrian, Lancashire and Cheshire leagues whether it would have stopped the winging. 

Not sure where Manx teams fit. I am told you can see Ramsey from Whitehaven - though it tends to be lost in the haze when I visit the in-law. The ferry is from Heysham and takes too long for a day trip. Flights are from Manchester, so Cheshire may make most sense.


Historically the Manx team have played in the South Lancs/Cheshire league and for most teams in those leagues it is an away trip that they always look forward to. It must be a struggle for the Manx team when they have a cross-sea trip every other game. I know Douglas used to have quite a difference between their home and away results but over the last few years they have become a very strong outfit.


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 18:48
For what it's worth, I don't understand the decision of clubs involved. They've struck off a couple of mid distance away games & possibly a visit to IOM. Most other games were already "local". Another of the reasons stated was the un level playing field, yet every club has that to deal with & at level 7,8 & 9 there can't be much difference in abilities, if there's one team striving for promotion then so be it, let them go. What happens if one or more of these teams in the future regains an appetite (£££) for a higher level of competition???

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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 19:39
It'll certainly be interesting to see how it works out for the Clubs involved and hopefully there will be some studies/research done on any changes in player retention rates.

I do feel sorry for the Cumbrian clubs who due to their location have been left somewhat adrift and have to travel if they wish to keep up a competitive fixture list.

I also imagine it's going to lead to an increase in mismatches and one sided results until both the new Lancashire league and the remaining Lancs/Cumbria/Cheshire leagues have settled down.




Posted By: oldman
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 20:32
I am just wondering what effect this may have on other "outlying" regions of the RFU - East Anglia, Cornwall etc.Will the RFU take any notice or carry on as always "We know best."

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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 20:45
I guarantee about three of these break away teams will fold by the end of the year. No tears will be shed for the Lancs cry babies.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2018 at 11:09
373 - That is a little harsh, and I am no fan of what they have done.

The problem is not with the clubs in the outlying regions, they accept they have no choice, if you want to play at any standard you need to travel.

It is the neighbours who find that promotion means travel.
The London club that has to go to North Norfolk, or the Devon club travelling to West Cornwall.
There was some discussion of Devon clubs not fulfilling fixtures - but they have a Devon/Cornwall league at level 8.

London Division split London 3 NW (level 8) into London 3 Eastern Counties and London 3 Essex.
And at level 9 Eastern Counties 1 is played in conferences and then playoffs but now includes 2nd XVs.

But at level 7 you can still get long journeys - though this season there was only one Norfolk side.





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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2018 at 16:26
My problem is more with the teams that have no travel to Cumbria - namely the SLC teams that have jumped across. The teams pushing up into the higher reaches and travel - it’s semi understandable. The teams that have jumped for no reason apart from being browbeaten by county reps - no time whatsoever.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 10:15
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

My problem is more with the teams that have no travel to Cumbria - namely the SLC teams that have jumped across. The teams pushing up into the higher reaches and travel - it’s semi understandable. The teams that have jumped for no reason apart from being browbeaten by county reps - no time whatsoever.
 
Nope the problem is you don't understand the issue full stop!
 
Question, if the Clubs that have formed the League decided not to form their own league but join the North West Intermediate League you wouldn't have a problem with that?
 
You also seem to be conveniently forgetting that Cumbria formed their own County League (outside of the RFU) 4 years ago which includes a few 1st XVs, did you offer a view on that?
 
County Reps browbeating Clubs? Think you are doing more disservice to the Lancashire Clubs, also small point the Clubs approached the County to help sort things out not the other way round.
 
Simple facts, the issue of long distance travel for Clubs has been an issue since inception of the RFU Leagues, despite over 5 years of trying to sort something that suited the 3 CBs involved, Cumbria had a no point in talking as we want the "Status Quo" view. Cheshire meekly followed Cumbria's lead as it didn't really concern them.
 
Lancashire have reacted to the needs of the Clubs and I believe for  the good of the game at lower league level, if you want to continue down you road of s1agging off Lancashire & its Clubs off then keep going with you head buried so far up your own backside you can't even hear the BS you are talking.
 
As for you wishing that 3 or more Clubs will go out of business. 1. They Won't and 2. Just wondering if Wallasey & Christleton will be competing in the RFC NCC next season because the word on the street is they won't be. That should help make the SLC Leagues look less viable by the minute.


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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 12:08
I see.

Yes, I would have had a problem with that - it would have greatly impacted those leagues and pushed out those who are playing in 2 & 3XV teams.

It's not exactly the same thing though is it? Cumbria effectively created their own version of the NOWIRUL leagues. So what?

So at the meeting that took place a number of clubs that wanted more time to consider their options weren't effectively cast out? The Country decided it was going to make a statement and never mind the consequences!

Travel has always been an issue. I'm not sure how it doesn't affect Cheshire, seeing as they have to travel through Lancs to get to Cumbria.  More to do with understanding if teams want to play a decent standard of Rugby they need to travel to places at the same level. Unlike the Lancs Bravado leagues which will see a team that played level 6 playing teams that finished midtable in level 8.

Lancs have reacted in typical Lancs style, toys out the pram. 

And I'm not wishing whatsoever, the regrettable thing is that your going to have some huge mismatches next year. The 1 team clubs will disappear overnight because they just aren't sustainable, like the Wallasey and Christleton that you mention. 

It's another damning indictment of committees playing at running rugby clubs and its high time they were forced to reflect on that rather than being mollycoddled. 


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 12:55
So in essence every 1st Team in NOWIRUL should join the RFU Leagues? Great idea lets force all 19, yes 19 1st or 1 team Clubs back in a league structure they opted out of. That 19 breaks down to 9 Lancashire Clubs 9 Cheshire and a Derbyshire Club...... you can't have it both ways if its NOT ok for 19 Lancashire Clubs to join their own league or NOWIRUL then it must NOT be ok for these other 19 not to be in the RFU Leagues? Lets not mention the 3 Cumbrian Club 1st XVs  in the non-RFU Cumbria League.
Do you want to give examples of Lancs typical style? No idea what you are talking about.
 
Both Cumbria and Cheshire played Chicken with Lancs and lost. All the two Cs had to do was talk and be pragmatic, instead they chose "we've always done it that way" option no discussion needed. That is why this has happened end of!
 
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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 14:41
The 1st XV teams that are in the NOWIRUL leagues are either teams that were decimated in the NOWIRUL leagues to the point where the 2xv that was present in those leagues became the de facto 1XV team, or have come in to avoid collapse having never looked likely of sustaining an effort in the RFU leagues. Not for the Lancs bully boys to come in and dictate how things should be. There’s no way a LSH or Eccles 1XV should be near NOWIRUL unless it was the only option to continued existence.

As I say, baby and bath water seems to be the Lancs way and I do wonder how many teams will be back cap in hand next year, or how Aldwinians will try to shuffle the decks again to ensure they win something.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 15:46
373, are you a politician? Avoid answering questions and change the subject PDQ?
 
Are you now saying that NOWIRUL Leagues are a bad thing? Pretty sure NOWIRUL would argue the opposite to what you are portraying.  
 
Why would any Club want to go back to the RFU Leagues in its current structure given the Lancs County Leagues gives them all of what they wanted and then some.
 
Eccles got relegated from NLC last season and were thinking of joining LCRUL but they opted to stay in the RFU Leagues, you probably didn't notice but they are in a 8 Team SLC2 now. Can't speak for LSH but maybe they can see that its better to have loved and lived, then love and lose your club.


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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 16:47
I didn’t change the question? I’d already said that 1XV teams being put into the NOWIRUL leagues wasn’t right due to the fact it’s mainly a 2xv down league. As stated the 1 team clubs that are in there are there because they are either what’s left of a club and are playing at the right level, or have never gone any further as a club. I’m sorry if you can’t carry ideas and context carried from one answer to another.

I wasn’t aware that Eccles had decided the Make Lancashire Great Again leagues weren’t for them, I’ve yet to see any leagues published. Which does bring back a point from before about Lancs browbeating clubs at the meeting they had. One does wonder how many players were actually consulted before alacadoos made their usual proclamations.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 17:56
OK, I'll shout louder then YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

Quote "Which does bring back a point from before about Lancs browbeating clubs at the meeting they had." Evidence? You provide none because there is none. The meeting held at Wigan had most  of the Lancashire Level 7 and below Clubs in attendance those who elected to join the County League and those still in the RFU Leagues.

The original 24 clubs where all asked to confirm their participation all 24 did. Some days after the meeting 4 of them changed their mind, no big deal. But for you to spread a malicious  rumour about County Officers browbeating clubs is the fakest of fake news. Lancashire have been trying for years to come with a format that suited everybody but Cumbria stood there ground shouting the name of a naff 70s Rock Band Status Quo! Status Quo! Cheshire realising that they may have actually have to deal with unhappy Clubs if the plans went ahead supported Cumbria, knowing full well if the the status quo remained they didn't have to worry of the potential chance of some of their clubs having to travel to Cumbria yet its fine for Lancashire Clubs to keep on doing it, well now your County officials will have to earn their crust things aren't going back to what they where. 

It use to be good talk but Cumbria and more shamefully Cheshire decided not to, fine keep hiding on your peninsula ..... BTW can you use 5 letters from the word peninsula  to describe a male phallus and yourself!!!!





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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 20:04
Apart from tweets by several clubs that were in attendance that pretty much indicated that there was a fair amount of pressure. Anyway, you’ve shown exactly why seeing the back of some of the toxic Lancashire clubs is for the best. Carry on.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 20:56
Ok again going to call you out on that, provide evidence, oh that's right you can't!

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Posted By: TimesLikeThese
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2018 at 21:11
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

My problem is more with the teams that have no travel to Cumbria - namely the SLC teams that have jumped across. The teams pushing up into the higher reaches and travel - it’s semi understandable. The teams that have jumped for no reason apart from being browbeaten by county reps - no time whatsoever.
 
Nope the problem is you don't understand the issue full stop!
 
Question, if the Clubs that have formed the League decided not to form their own league but join the North West Intermediate League you wouldn't have a problem with that?
 
You also seem to be conveniently forgetting that Cumbria formed their own County League (outside of the RFU) 4 years ago which includes a few 1st XVs, did you offer a view on that?
 
County Reps browbeating Clubs? Think you are doing more disservice to the Lancashire Clubs, also small point the Clubs approached the County to help sort things out not the other way round.
 
Simple facts, the issue of long distance travel for Clubs has been an issue since inception of the RFU Leagues, despite over 5 years of trying to sort something that suited the 3 CBs involved, Cumbria had a no point in talking as we want the "Status Quo" view. Cheshire meekly followed Cumbria's lead as it didn't really concern them.
 
Lancashire have reacted to the needs of the Clubs and I believe for  the good of the game at lower league level, if you want to continue down you road of s1agging off Lancashire & its Clubs off then keep going with you head buried so far up your own backside you can't even hear the BS you are talking.
 
As for you wishing that 3 or more Clubs will go out of business. 1. They Won't and 2. Just wondering if Wallasey & Christleton will be competing in the RFC NCC next season because the word on the street is they won't be. That should help make the SLC Leagues look less viable by the minute.


I wonder if anyone has considered creating one single structure and bringing the NOWIRUL teams into the ECC. A thought, but one that might provide a solution nonetheless.

Before anyone says it's not possible, as I understand it, this is what goes on in the South West. 


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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 08:09
Not sure how asking NOWIRUL to merge in the ECC would work, I doubt NOWIRUL would want it as they are an independent Competition they would lose all their funding and have very little to do with the operation of the merged body as it will come under the auspices of the RFU NCC/ECC. In addition there are Clubs outside of the North area (Glossop have dispensation) involved in NOWIRUL and that would create all kinds of issues on governance and the like. Teams like Newcastle (Staffs) and Hope Valley (Derbys) get away with playing out of their Division at the moment if they come into the RFU NCC/ECC then that creates other issues on Player Registration and regulation something 90% of the Clubs want less of and again need to mention the potential for ever more travel times but for lower XVs. Would Sefton 3rds want to travel to Cumbria, Derbyshire and Staffordshire? and if they didn't are they happy to be docked points and fined!
 
Apparently there was a meeting last night at Southport involving the 6 Lancashire Clubs in NLC and AltKersal and the Cheshire RFU Rep and Chair. They've come up with the plan of dissolving NLC, make a Cumbria only Level 7 League (good luck with that) and new Lancashire/Cheshire Level 7 League....... bit similar to what Lancashire wanted pre-breakaway but was vetoed by Cumbria & Cheshire (that didn't take long for that worm to turn did it 373?) of course this won't happen because Cumbria will still say no way Status Quo - rocking all over the North..............
 
 


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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 08:31
Ha no PiffPaff, Lancashire wanted their own league so they actually could win something. From there, from rumours I’ve heard, there would be North 1 (Lancs) with a direct line into the National Leagues. They would then have to have a National 2 (Lancs), National 1 (Lancs) and Championship (Lancs) to ensure everything was fair and they got into the Premiership where they rightfully belong!


Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 09:00
Piff paff - hang your head in shame! Status quo are not
Naff!!


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 10:15
First, Dickon, 1000 apologies, SQ are a bit like Marmite.
 
373 I guess your failed attempt at humour means you know your argument doesn't stand up. Can't beat Facts especially the true facts.


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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 10:48
373, Oswestry have dropped out of SLC gone back to the Midlands, think Cheshire have made the biggest error of judgement since David Cameron decided to have the Brexit Referendum. Don't you just love factual statements!

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Posted By: Penda
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 11:39
This thread's getting better than the Waterloo one. LOL


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 12:08
373 if you want to fact check.
http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/midlands-division/2018-2019/group/26186#/fixtures" rel="nofollow - http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/midlands-division/2018-2019/group/26186#/fixtures
 


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Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 12:33
I’ve known Oswestry have been going back to the Mids for a while PiffPaff. They were the only North Mids/Shropshire team outside of their home structure. With the likes of Linley and Trentham moving it’s been a while coming. Shame that fact wasn’t the win you wanted, maybe go and create your own board where you can argue with yourself to ensure you always win. Not sure where I’ve got that idea from..


Posted By: TimesLikeThese
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 13:34
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:


Not sure how asking NOWIRUL to merge in the ECC would work, I doubt NOWIRUL would want it as they are an independent Competition they would lose all their funding and have very little to do with the operation of the merged body as it will come under the auspices of the RFU NCC/ECC. In addition there are Clubs outside of the North area (Glossop have dispensation) involved in NOWIRUL and that would create all kinds of issues on governance and the like. Teams like Newcastle (Staffs) and Hope Valley (Derbys) get away with playing out of their Division at the moment if they come into the RFU NCC/ECC then that creates other issues on Player Registration and regulation something 90% of the Clubs want less of and again need to mention the potential for ever more travel times but for lower XVs. Would Sefton 3rds want to travel to Cumbria, Derbyshire and Staffordshire? and if they didn't are they happy to be docked points and fined!
 
Apparently there was a meeting last night at Southport involving the 6 Lancashire Clubs in NLC and AltKersal and the Cheshire RFU Rep and Chair. They've come up with the plan of dissolving NLC, make a Cumbria only Level 7 League (good luck with that) and new Lancashire/Cheshire Level 7 League....... bit similar to what Lancashire wanted pre-breakaway but was vetoed by Cumbria & Cheshire (that didn't take long for that worm to turn did it 373?) of course this won't happen because Cumbria will still say no way Status Quo - rocking all over the North..............
 
 


That 3rd team point is one of the more ridiculous ones I've heard given that I imagine there would be some sort of division based on locale at that level as there is now and not a complete north west wide league, so it's a completely redundant point. The other points I can understand.

The point is there's got to be a way to resolve all of this because currently it's a complete mess.

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Posted By: the jackal
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 14:53
in laymans terms, whats going on?


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 15:04
Originally posted by the jackal the jackal wrote:

in laymans terms, whats going on?

As I understand it, in a squabble primarily about money and travel distances, community level Lancashire rugby has pulled out of RFU competitions, dragging Cheshire and Cumbria who shared league divisions with Lancashire out with them, and set up their own merit tables. 

Since then various people have been calling each other names, and demonstrating why they don't deserve rugby union.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 15:37
Originally posted by the jackal the jackal wrote:


in laymans terms, whats going on?


Who knows, who cares - but it is fun seeing northerners northern-bashing.

I suspect the detail is somewhere in the thread if you can be bothered looking for it.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 17:10
The North Lancastrian sides do not like having to travel to Cumbria and have been complaining for years.

These are the same complaints that caused RFU to instigate the Adult Game Review in 2015 which came up with a terrible solution to a different porblem that did not exist, while not solving this one.



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Posted By: the jackal
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 18:58
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by the jackal the jackal wrote:


in laymans terms, whats going on?


Who knows, who cares - but it is fun seeing northerners northern-bashing.

I suspect the detail is somewhere in the thread if you can be bothered looking for it.


I cannot.

I’m just confused as to what happens with promotion for teams that want to get back to level 6


Posted By: SKalpy
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 19:06
Jackal,

I think this may answer your question ... http://www.lancashirerugby.co.uk/images/LeagueStatement4_5_18.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.lancashirerugby.co.uk/images/LeagueStatement4_5_18.pdf


Posted By: Earl.gray
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 19:12
Originally posted by the jackal the jackal wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by the jackal the jackal wrote:


in laymans terms, whats going on?


Who knows, who cares - but it is fun seeing northerners northern-bashing.

I suspect the detail is somewhere in the thread if you can be bothered looking for it.


I cannot.

I’m just confused as to what happens with promotion for teams that want to get back to level 6


There isn’t promotion to level 6. Clubs will
Have to rejoin the rfu structure at level 7 again.


Posted By: red rose lad
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 13:17
I have been fixture secretary for 30 years, when we first went to Cumbria 30 years ago everyone wanted to go sometimes we took 2 teams up to Cumbria, times have changed
The wife's and girlfriends today will not put up with what we got away with
Players earnings have more outgoings then I had
Jobs are not 9-5, 7.30 - 4pm anymore
players have to work Saturday's and Sunday's
 We have lost approximately 70 sides in Lancashire and Greater Manchester, we have a NW League for 2.3 and 4's it's really good but now they have gone power mad and chucking sides out in they can't fulfil fixtures due to cry off's above, as usual the bottom sides cop for it


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Posted By: red rose lad
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 14:17
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

I guarantee about three of these break away teams will fold by the end of the year. No tears will be shed for the Lancs cry babies.
 

Your county reps have sat on there backside's, not even contacted any of the clubs to tell them what's going on, that's from a Cheshire club who are not very happy to the way your county as reacted


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Posted By: red rose lad
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 14:23
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

The 1st XV teams that are in the NOWIRUL leagues are either teams that were decimated in the NOWIRUL leagues to the point where the 2xv that was present in those leagues became the de facto 1XV team, or have come in to avoid collapse having never looked likely of sustaining an effort in the RFU leagues. Not for the Lancs bully boys to come in and dictate how things should be. There’s no way a LSH or Eccles 1XV should be near NOWIRUL unless it was the only option to continued existence.

As I say, baby and bath water seems to be the Lancs way and I do wonder how many teams will be back cap in hand next year, or how Aldwinians will try to shuffle the decks again to ensure they win something.
 

What's it got to do with AldwiniansConfused


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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 07:18
373, its my understanding despite what is on the RFU Website, Oswestry to stay in the North and they haven't agreed to re-join the Midlands?
 
Also I see the proposal put at the Cheshire AGM is basically is Cheshire screwing Cumbria over. Hopefully all the bile and crap thrown at Lancashire recently by Cumbria & friends of Cumbria will now be aimed elsewhere.
 
For Cheshire to propose almost identically the same thing the Lancashire proposed months/years ago beggars belief. So it wasn't ok for the Lancashire Clubs who complained about excessive travel in case of some Clubs for 12+ seasons and want to re-arrange the NW RFU League structure to cut down on travel albeit at the expense of some Cumbria Clubs at Level 7. Cheshire firmly backing Cumbria's veto to that.
 
The moment a Cheshire Club (lets face it 1 Club) are put in the same situation Cheshire come up with another restructure proposal that puts the Lancashire & Cheshire Clubs together and cuts Cumbria adrift, classy Cheshire bravo. Careful you don't accidently call it the Benson & Hedges League from the Fag Packet it was written on!
 
373 you come on here and take a pop at Lancs standing their ground and fighting for its constituent member Clubs but the moment Cheshire has to face one of their own with a similar argument (not the same because they actually haven't done any travelling yet) they fold quicker than a deck chair on New Brighton Beach!


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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 08:50
Oh dear, it looks like folk on the wrong side of the Pennines are not happy with their neighbouring county colleagues. 

The only question I have is - do we see this move being an advantage to club rugby as a whole? Or just benefiting a few?


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Posted By: TimesLikeThese
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 13:26
Difficult to say really. The clubs that left may have less travel time but there's not really much to play for. In fairness that might be what they want.

What was the proposal in the Cheshire AGM? I know some Cheshire clubs currently do have to travel to Cumbria for fixtures at 2nd/3rd team level in the higher merit leagues, anything below that they drop to more regional leagues.

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Posted By: red rose lad
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 13:30
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Oh dear, it looks like folk on the wrong side of the Pennines are not happy with their neighbouring county colleagues. 

The only question I have is - do we see this move being an advantage to club rugby as a whole? Or just benefiting a few?
 

There is a serious problem in adult rugby the retaining of players after they gone through colts rugby, the RFU are fully behind the Lancashire teams move to form there own leagues
They have recently stated at a safeguarding meeting that mini and junior rugby is thriving but there is big concern in adult rugby, This is huge concern to Lancashire teams as we are losing sides because of the travelling distances and time, other counties Kent, Cornwall and Gloucestershire are concerned and are watching the situation


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 15:51
Do we know which teams are playing in which leagues yet?

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Posted By: Darth Vadar
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 17:03
I read somewhere that more information from Lancashire will be released on Tuesday.


Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 06:57
Interestingly enough there was a vote in the NOWIRUL leagues yesterday evening to remove the Cumbrian teams from those leagues which was defeated unanimously (not a single person voted to kick them out.) Seeing as it included representatives of the break away clubs I find it very odd they didn’t have the same objections about their 2 & 3XV’s travelling to Cumbria.

There’s a lot of inference to be drawn from that one feels.


Posted By: red rose lad
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 09:19
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

Interestingly enough there was a vote in the NOWIRUL leagues yesterday evening to remove the Cumbrian teams from those leagues which was defeated unanimously (not a single person voted to kick them out.) Seeing as it included representatives of the break away clubs I find it very odd they didn’t have the same objections about their 2 & 3XV’s travelling to Cumbria.

There’s a lot of inference to be drawn from that one feels.
 
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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 09:53
Although I am led to believe the committee of the north west leagues are cumbrian based? Vale of lune?


Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 10:03
Vale of Lune is based in Lancaster. 


Posted By: RamblingRef
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 10:39
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It has been set up as an official lancashire RFU Merit table.
So is still covered by MADRefs.
 
Correct in terms of still being covered by MADREFs, however the "Lancashire Leagues" will have a lower priority of appointments due to no longer being a part of the RFU structure


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:04
Lancaster is still cumbria rfu isnt it ??


Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:15
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Lancaster is still cumbria rfu isnt it ??

Clue's in the name.

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Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:28
So vale of lune player representatives represent lancaster in the county championship


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:30
Im assuming you didnt know the answer its in fact lancashire rfu ,thanks


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:55
Of course it is possible some Vale of Lune player may qualify for Cumbria by birth.

Ramblingref - lancashire leagues obviously rank below NLC and SLC1, do you mean they rank below SLC2  - so equivalent to level 9 and 10.
Do they rank do the Lancashire leagues rank above or below NOWIRUL?
Surely a clubs 2nd XV playing in NOWIRUL 2 South will not get higher priority than their first XV in LL1?

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Posted By: RamblingRef
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 15:48
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of course it is possible some Vale of Lune player may qualify for Cumbria by birth.

Ramblingref - lancashire leagues obviously rank below NLC and SLC1, do you mean they rank below SLC2  - so equivalent to level 9 and 10.
Do they rank do the Lancashire leagues rank above or below NOWIRUL?
Surely a clubs 2nd XV playing in NOWIRUL 2 South will not get higher priority than their first XV in LL1?

Confused of Cambridge


 
Yes they would rank below SLC2 as RFU League matches will take precedence, compared with the Merit Table that is the "Lancashire League".
 
As the "Lancashire 1" is equivalent to a L7 league, it will be at the top of the Merit Table appointment priority. This is a factor that the clubs were fully aware of and they will therefore potentially be faced with a lower level of referee, dependent on number of matches and availability.


Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 16:15
Is it technically not below the NOWIRUL Premier as well which is level 6?


Posted By: RamblingRef
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 17:01
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

Is it technically not below the NOWIRUL Premier as well which is level 6?
 
No it wouldn't fall below the NOWIRUL Premier as the "Lancashire League" is a 1st Team league, whereas NOWIRUL Premier is 2nd team.


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 21:03
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Yes they would rank below SLC2 as RFU League matches will take precedence, compared with the Merit Table that is the "Lancashire League".
 
As the "Lancashire 1" is equivalent to a L7 league, it will be at the top of the Merit Table appointment priority. This is a factor that the clubs were fully aware of and they will therefore potentially be faced with a lower level of referee, dependent on number of matches and availability.
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So Mr. Henry clubs should adjust their payments to MADREFS accordingly? If a Club pays for the Society to provide a Referee for their 1st XV game shouldn't they have an official of the appropriate standard?

...is this your view or the view of the Society Keiron?


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Posted By: RamblingRef
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 09:12
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Yes they would rank below SLC2 as RFU League matches will take precedence, compared with the Merit Table that is the "Lancashire League".
 
As the "Lancashire 1" is equivalent to a L7 league, it will be at the top of the Merit Table appointment priority. This is a factor that the clubs were fully aware of and they will therefore potentially be faced with a lower level of referee, dependent on number of matches and availability.
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So Mr. Henry clubs should adjust their payments to MADREFS accordingly? If a Club pays for the Society to provide a Referee for their 1st XV game shouldn't they have an official of the appropriate standard?

...is this your view or the view of the Society Keiron?
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No views, I am simply advising that England Rugby (or the RFU as everyone likes to continue to call it) have an appointments priority ladder which dictates in which order matches should be appointed to.
 
For example, a Schools match has a higher appointment priority than a club's 2nd team, no matter what the level. The same applies with Women's matches also.
 
It is sadly a consequence of the gross shortage of referees within the North West area that means it is a weekly struggle to have referees of an equivalent standard to a match. I notice that your club is Fylde so as an example I would approximate that your 2nd team (Level 6 ranked) will have had roughly half of their matches refereed by a referee of L7 or potentially even L8. That is not to say that the referee was not "good enough", we wouldn't appoint them if we didn't think it was appropriate.
 
I hope that better explains the point I am trying to make?


Posted By: Collapsingmaul
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 09:56
In essence the merit league is basically a sunday league ??


Posted By: RamblingRef
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 10:10
Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

In essence the merit league is basically a sunday league ??
 
No that's definitely not what it is.
 
I believe the hope of those teams that are forming the "Lancashire Leagues" is that they will provide more competitive matches with less travelling. That said, I am led to believe that the number of teams taking part has reduced from the original 24 now to only 19.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 10:44
Lancashire league fixtures released - twenty teams listed - so 18 league fixtures.

http://files.pitchero.com/counties/19/1529053849.pdf" rel="nofollow - Premier league
http://files.pitchero.com/counties/19/1529053924.pdf" rel="nofollow - 1st Division

The cup and shield seem to be being played in 3 groups of 3 with the tenth side getting a bye.
I assume the pool winners and the sides with byes (Alsemians and North Manchester0 go through to semi finals.






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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 10:47
Also the final (until the next one) structure of the North division leagues is:

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Posted By: CalderVale
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 11:06
There is some travel in the SLC2.......

But full league so week in week out rugby, to be fair with Lancashire League Structure still guaranteed 20 games (league & cup). Plus the Lancashire Cup Competitions ( Bowl, Plate & Trophy ) should be a good year for Lancashire Clubs.

However I do hope it works for all leagues NLC/SLC 1 & 2 as the last few seasons it's seems leagues have disappeared which is no good for nobody.....come on players get behind your club, play Saturday afternoon for the good of the game, not for what you can get.....enjoy your summer and good luck to all in September getting full sides out whether 1st or 4th team.....


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 12:31
cq... thanks for posting what according to the RFU North Competitions Committee is the final RFU NW structure........ it might not be.
 
I understand more than one Club have lodged appeals at the League they've been placed in. If the appeals are upheld then expect changes...........of course that could mean more appeals because if Team A(K) win their appeal and move leagues (say to SLC1)  then someone has to move out of that League to (NLC) unless of course they go for 15 and 13 Team Leagues!
 
Additionally in SLC1 you have teams that just survived in Level 8 coming up against Teams fresh from Level 6 or top end of Level 7.
 
All of this could have been avoided if Cumbria & Cheshire had bothered to get round a table and discuss things, the Lancashire Clubs ran out of patience as both Cumbria & Cheshire said.........
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Posted By: Darth Vadar
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 07:04
It now looks as if Cheshire RFU have lodged an appeal on behalf of several clubs;

http://www.cheshirerfu.co.uk/2018/06/18/cheshire-rfu-appeal/





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