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Topic: Yorkshire Cup 2018/19
Posted By: Sid James
Subject: Yorkshire Cup 2018/19
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 20:14
Thought I would start a new thread on this subject. The previous 2016/17 thread went on a bit.
I cannot find the 'Competitions' section on the YRFU web-site. Can anyone help?

Apart from that, we have received the Yorks Cup schedule for season 2018/19 and it looks like the YRFU Competitions Secretary has again played a blinder and again, failed to listen to anyone.
On 06/10/2018 three N2N clubs are expected to play Preliminary round York's Cup matches despite having important N2N league games that day - Hull I's are home to Stourbridge, Huddersfield are away at Sheff Tigers and Otley are away at Macclesfield. League matches which I expect are already sponsored.
Brilliant! And they want us to take this competition seriously!
The 1st round matches are to be played on 10th November when funnily enough, said three N2N Clubs have no match scheduled and, neither do their Yorks Cup opposition.
This is why the Yorks Cup is a complete joke and, it will not change until we are rid of the obstinate 'flat cap' York's committee.
Wake up!


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Posted By: SKalpy
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 21:03
Evening Sid.

As one from the other side of the hill please excuse me for my input.

It strikes me that the YRFU have  a couple of options to get round this problem. They could get the fixtures out earlier and play the Preliminary round on the August bank holiday (not ideal) or seed all the NCA clubs into the first round proper.

However, it appears that over the years the 'flat cap' committee do nothing to help the senior clubs within their remit and I would be tempted to tell them to stick their 'Owd Tin Pot' where the sun doesn't shine.


Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 08:32
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

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On 06/10/2018 three N2N clubs are expected to play Preliminary round York's Cup matches despite having important N2N league games that day - Hull I's are home to Stourbridge, Huddersfield are away at Sheff Tigers and Otley are away at Macclesfield.

And Wharfedale have a home "derby" v Hoppers


Posted By: Carlos the Tackle
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 12:06
This is the link

http://yorkshirerfu.pitchero.com/news/yorkshire-competitions-draw-2018-2019-23572/


Posted By: Alfred
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 15:44
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Thought I would start a new thread on this subject. The previous 2016/17 thread went on a bit.
I cannot find the 'Competitions' section on the YRFU web-site. Can anyone help?

Apart from that, we have received the Yorks Cup schedule for season 2018/19 and it looks like the YRFU Competitions Secretary has again played a blinder and again, failed to listen to anyone.
On 06/10/2018 three N2N clubs are expected to play Preliminary round York's Cup matches despite having important N2N league games that day - Hull I's are home to Stourbridge, Huddersfield are away at Sheff Tigers and Otley are away at Macclesfield. League matches which I expect are already sponsored.
Brilliant! And they want us to take this competition seriously!
The 1st round matches are to be played on 10th November when funnily enough, said three N2N Clubs have no match scheduled and, neither do their Yorks Cup opposition.
This is why the Yorks Cup is a complete joke and, it will not change until we are rid of the obstinate 'flat cap' York's committee.
Wake up!


Sid - I would point out that the schedule was put on the YRFU's web-site more than a month ago and that the preliminary round matches are to be on OR BEFORE 6 October (i.e. they could therefore be played in August).


Posted By: Elijah Cadman
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 15:54
Originally posted by Alfred Alfred wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Thought I would start a new thread on this subject. The previous 2016/17 thread went on a bit.
I cannot find the 'Competitions' section on the YRFU web-site. Can anyone help?

Apart from that, we have received the Yorks Cup schedule for season 2018/19 and it looks like the YRFU Competitions Secretary has again played a blinder and again, failed to listen to anyone.
On 06/10/2018 three N2N clubs are expected to play Preliminary round York's Cup matches despite having important N2N league games that day - Hull I's are home to Stourbridge, Huddersfield are away at Sheff Tigers and Otley are away at Macclesfield. League matches which I expect are already sponsored.
Brilliant! And they want us to take this competition seriously!
The 1st round matches are to be played on 10th November when funnily enough, said three N2N Clubs have no match scheduled and, neither do their Yorks Cup opposition.
This is why the Yorks Cup is a complete joke and, it will not change until we are rid of the obstinate 'flat cap' York's committee.
Wake up!


Sid - I would point out that the schedule was put on the YRFU's web-site more than a month ago and that the preliminary round matches are to be on OR BEFORE 6 October (i.e. they could therefore be played in August).

Indeed Alfred and many are in fact playing them this weekend I believe, using them as a good pre season run out?

Enjoy the season folks


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 17:15
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

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On 06/10/2018 three N2N clubs are expected to play Preliminary round York's Cup matches despite having important N2N league games that day - Hull I's are home to Stourbridge, Huddersfield are away at Sheff Tigers and Otley are away at Macclesfield.


And Wharfedale have a home "derby" v Hoppers


I thought Wharefdale play Pocklington in Yorks Cup 1st round on 10th November, when Dale do not have a league match?

Also, on or before 6th October leaves only August and both Clubs need to be free and agree. Surely the more sensible route is to schedule the Prelim. Round matches for 10th Nov when everyone is free.

Who is playing York's Cup this weekend?

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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 17:24
Originally posted by Elijah Cadman Elijah Cadman wrote:

Originally posted by Alfred Alfred wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Thought I would start a new thread on this subject. The previous 2016/17 thread went on a bit.
I cannot find the 'Competitions' section on the YRFU web-site. Can anyone help?

Apart from that, we have received the Yorks Cup schedule for season 2018/19 and it looks like the YRFU Competitions Secretary has again played a blinder and again, failed to listen to anyone.
On 06/10/2018 three N2N clubs are expected to play Preliminary round York's Cup matches despite having important N2N league games that day - Hull I's are home to Stourbridge, Huddersfield are away at Sheff Tigers and Otley are away at Macclesfield. League matches which I expect are already sponsored.
Brilliant! And they want us to take this competition seriously!
The 1st round matches are to be played on 10th November when funnily enough, said three N2N Clubs have no match scheduled and, neither do their Yorks Cup opposition.
This is why the Yorks Cup is a complete joke and, it will not change until we are rid of the obstinate 'flat cap' York's committee.
Wake up!


Sid - I would point out that the schedule was put on the YRFU's web-site more than a month ago and that the preliminary round matches are to be on OR BEFORE 6 October (i.e. they could therefore be played in August).


Indeed Alfred and many are in fact playing them this weekend I believe, using them as a good pre season run out?

Enjoy the season folks


Elijah,
That is not the case.
As far as I can see there are no York's Cup Preliminary round or 1st round matches being played this weekend. None are planned in August according to the home club web-sites.
The Malton v Donny Phoenix match is a PSF with four 20mins sessions using as many players as possible, or so the web-site says.


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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 19:06
The non-national league holders give Sheffield a walk-over on a non-league match weekend. Poor show.
But, I suppose that is all you can do when you are concentrating on promotion and you are a Club that only runs one team.
Makes the competition even more of a mockery.

Good to see Sheff Tigers turning out and winning. Thats what happens when the YRFU give the National league clubs a chance to play on a non-league weekend.

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Posted By: Ayup
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 00:03
Sid, with only six teams playing out of the sixteen involved in the competition I am very surprised that you have restricted your comments to only three teams. Obviously you have also managed to get a little jibe in at the YRFU. Poor show. 

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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 08:23
Originally posted by Ayup Ayup wrote:

Sid, with only six teams playing out of the sixteen involved in the competition I am very surprised that you have restricted your comments to only three teams. Obviously you have also managed to get a little jibe in at the YRFU. Poor show. 


Sorry but you are wrong. Nine clubs have taken part and fulfilled YCup fixtures so far this season,

The 'jibe' at YRFU, as you put it is quite intentional. They are the primary reason for the 'poor show'. The YRFU's lack of understanding with regard to the importance of fulfiling National League fixtures is quite ridiculous.

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Posted By: Ayup
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 13:51
Don't be sorry, I understand that six teams played out of the sixteen involved in Round One. 

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Nostalgia is not what it used to be.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 15:27
Originally posted by Ayup Ayup wrote:

Don't be sorry, I understand that six teams played out of the sixteen involved in Round One. 


You are forgetting the Preliminary Round where YRFU asked National League Clubs to play on a League match weekend.
It's all on the YRFU web-site.

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All Knwoing All Seeing


Posted By: Ayup
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 18:18
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

The non-national league holders give Sheffield a walk-over on a non-league match weekend. Poor show.
But, I suppose that is all you can do when you are concentrating on promotion and you are a Club that only runs one team.
Makes the competition even more of a mockery.

Good to see Sheff Tigers turning out and winning. Thats what happens when the YRFU give the National league clubs a chance to play on a non-league weekend.


This reference is to round one - not the preliminaries so I am not forgetting anything Sid that is why I only referred to the teams in round one.


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Nostalgia is not what it used to be.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 19:10
No probs Ayup,
If you prefer to not consider the competition as a whole, that's fine by me. However, to do so is in my opinion, pointless.

Am I exchanging views with someone of some knowledge of the subject? I ask as your pseudonym suggests you may be on the YRFU Committee.

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Posted By: Yogi
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 20:17
[QUOTE=Ayup][QUOTE=Sid James]The non-national league holders give Sheffield a walk-over on a non-league match weekend. Poor show.
But, I suppose that is all you can do when you are concentrating on promotion and you are a Club that only runs one team.
Makes the competition even more of a mockery.

Just picked up on this posting.
Last season you were applauding Sheffield Tigers for withdrawing from the Yorkshire Cup FINAL as they had an important game which would affect their chances of escaping relegation if they won. Which makes a mockery of your first sentence.
Double standards or what? Or just another chance to have a dig at the 'non-national league holders'.
Poor show.


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What's with you Boo-Boo


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 23:06
Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

[QUOTE=Ayup][QUOTE=Sid James]The non-national league holders give Sheffield a walk-over on a non-league match weekend. Poor show.
But, I suppose that is all you can do when you are concentrating on promotion and you are a Club that only runs one team.
Makes the competition even more of a mockery.

Just picked up on this posting.
Last season you were applauding Sheffield Tigers for withdrawing from the Yorkshire Cup FINAL as they had an important game which would affect their chances of escaping relegation if they won. Which makes a mockery of your first sentence.
Double standards or what? Or just another chance to have a dig at the 'non-national league holders'.
Poor show.


You missed the point but what's new. I dont think Sheffield Tigers were the Cup holders were they?
I also remember that Sheff Tigers offered alternative dates to play the final but the York's Cup Committee said no. Hence my support for Sheff Tigers decision.
Sheff Tigers had the last laugh by staying in N2N and they are still in the competition this season.
In recent years the YRFU have made it as difficult as possible for a National League Club to win the Yorks Cup, so I wish the remaining National League Clubs the best of luck this year.

Anyway, why didn't you send an AXV to Sheffield and fulfil the fixture?

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 09:03
Of the four quarter finals this weekend 2 are walk overs and Wharfedale are playing their 2nd team against Cleckheaton
Here we go again


Posted By: Alfred
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 09:20
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Of the four quarter finals this weekend 2 are walk overs and Wharfedale are playing their 2nd team against Cleckheaton
Here we go again


I would point out that the Wharfedale 1st team is unable to play in this round of the Yorkshire cup since they have a re-scheduled league match away at Huddersfield that day - that game having been postponed from earlier in the season due to the inclement weather conditions.

The choice was therefore either to pull out of the Cup competition or field the 2nd XV. The club, quite rightly in my opinion, chose the second option.


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 09:38
First class decision by Wharfedale. I was surprised Sheffield Tigers did not
do likewise against Sandal.


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 11:01
Hopefully Harrogate vs Ilkley will have two strong sides out this weekend.

Forresters vs Cleck will be a good game and good to see how good wdale 2's are against a league side


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 13:06
Well Wharfedale 2nds are top of merit league. so I think it will be a good game.
Tigers 2nds only a few points behind.
I'm still of the opinion that the Yorkshire Cup should be a 2nd XV cup and give the lads who don't get paid a
bit of kudos.


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 17:16
Probably have the same problem though as teams won't want to travel to W'dale, gate, Sheff Tigers and who ever is top of the merit league.
Also how do you regulate who is or isn't a 2nd team player especially in the final?


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 17:45
That is not a new of unique problem. Australia and New zealand do it in their grand finals.

Usually you require a player to have played in a certain number of matches for the side in question - or have a doctor's note as to why not - and not to have played more than a threshold for a higher team.


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Posted By: Alfred
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 19:42
The Yorkshire Cup match between Wharfedale and Cleckheaton is off since Cleckheaton are unable to raise a full side due to injuries and unavailablilities. Cry


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 07:49
Originally posted by Alfred Alfred wrote:

The Yorkshire Cup match between Wharfedale and Cleckheaton is off since Cleckheaton are unable to raise a full side due to injuries and unavailablilities. Cry


Surely that's a walkover to Wharfedale then Alfred


Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 08:55
Cleckheaton sitting right on the edge of the relegation zone and having lost 6 on the bounce. One can understand their reluctance to play. A shame for Dale 2nds who need strong matches


Posted By: Alfred
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 09:00
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Originally posted by Alfred Alfred wrote:

The Yorkshire Cup match between Wharfedale and Cleckheaton is off since Cleckheaton are unable to raise a full side due to injuries and unavailablilities. Cry


Surely that's a walkover to Wharfedale then Alfred


Tulip - you are correct. See http://www.wharfedalerufc.co.uk/?p=31283" rel="nofollow - http://www.wharfedalerufc.co.uk/?p=31283


Posted By: Dalesman
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 09:46
It is heart breaking for those of us who have been involved in the Yorkshire Cup over many years to see its current status. It has become pointless. RIP. Shame on YRFU for allowing this to happen.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 10:57
Not just Yorkshire.

Last season Cambridge II cancelled Zoo Shield matches to play in the Cambridgeshire Cup.
And then the matches were cancelled. I am not sure if we played any cup matches in the end.
Oddly this season we chose not to enter.  Their are five teams in the county cup this season.

In the intermediate cup (9 entries) two quarter finals were conceded.
In the junior cup (12 entries from 11 clubs) 12 games have been organised and at least 4 have been conceeded. There are also two with no score recorded, so it could be 6. However, the match between Shelford 4 and 5 looked like a cracker - Shelford 4 winning by a point.





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Posted By: greeneyed
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:24
Three of the four quarter-final matches will not be played. If the other match is played, three of the four clubs in the semi-final will have played not one single match to get there.
 
Cry the beloved County!  Cry


Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:36
Two Ilkley players from last weekend in the Yorks U20 : none from Harrogate that I can see. No complaints, just an observation.

If this is the only one going to be played, it’s a crying shame and a waste of time, apart from for training purposes. Wonder if there’s an international on.....

Ilkley play Harrogate away on April 6th anyway.


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 14:03
Get your excuses in early PS............


Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 16:09
Tee hee ! As I said, it was an observation.
 
Just looking on the YRFU website : of the 5 Preliminary matches, 3 were played ; in Round One, out of 8 matches, 3 were played and in the Quarter-finals, only one match will be played.
 
This is farcical. Sheffield and Wharfedale have not played at all and Sandal just once, yet all are into the last four.
 
I note too that the ' draw ' for the semi-finals has been removed - does this suggest a cancellation of the remainder of the Cup ?


Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 11:55
They, the powers that be, inferred weeks ago that the Yorkshire cup was likely going to be shelved for this season. I suspect they didn't announce it publicly to see how the teams still involved were going to see it through.
Think the answer is now clear.

There seems to be little appetite amongst clubs for Cup competitions, just nobody has told the RFU yet.


Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 13:41
It is a great shame that a competition originating in 1878 for "T'owd Tin Pot" should virtually disappear, but that is a sign of the times I’m afraid, clubs are naturally more concerned about their League status nowadays and I can see the competition being disbanded in the not too distant future, and the Sterling Silver trophy, with many great names engraved on it, being put away to gather dust in some cupboard.

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Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 14:37
It's worth around £20,000, so hope it doesn't go in a cupboard somewhere and forgotten!


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 17:18
It seems to me that this subject has more minutes of hot air than rugby played in the last couple of years.

Time for it to be permanently binned perhaps?

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 18:02
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

It seems to me that this subject has more minutes of hot air than rugby played in the last couple of years.

Time for it to be permanently binned perhaps?


How's the Sussex Cup doing mate. If you have that opinion don't read it.


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 18:48
Possibly better placed in the ‘Counties’ sub-forum than here.


Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 18:54
And yet at the lower levels of league rugby the powers that be continue to insist that the way forward is to reduce league numbers yet further and fill some of the blank Saturdays with cup games or even friendlies. Perhaps they don't understand that clubs need to bring some revenue in on Saturdays between September and April. Buffoons springs to mind.  We used to travel miles on a Wednesday night in search of the Holy Grail of T'Owd Tin Pot.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 21:08
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

It seems to me that this subject has more minutes of hot air than rugby played in the last couple of years.

Time for it to be permanently binned perhaps?


How's the Sussex Cup doing mate. If you have that opinion don't read it.


Typical of a Yorkshire man - shame there aren't enough that care to get a team or 2 out!😭

As for the Sussex cup - I didn't realise we were talking about it!

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Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 16:57
To make it a full house Ilkley have just cried off - absolute poor form on a Friday!
Ilkley have a prop playing Yorkshire 20's on Sunday, but this game has been in the fixtures for a long time, so not like it has just been sprung on them. Wonder if you can raise a team next weekend..........




Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 17:49
It's a pity they hadn't done semi final draw
We probably could have played them tomorrow


Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 18:33
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

It's a pity they hadn't done semi final draw
We probably could have played them tomorrow

There's a reason for that.



Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 22:00
There is no need to lose the Yorkshire Cup altogether. If it is lost, the fault will lie entirely with the Yorks RFU rather than the Clubs.

There is every need for the York's RFU Committee to start listening to the Clubs it represents, re-schedule the dates of matches to not clash with league fixtures and have some flexibility.

It is clear that the York's RFU Committee needs a few more members who are involved with National League Clubs. The current bunch just don't have a clue.
Mountain Man is right, "Buffoons" does spring to mind.

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 23:42
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

There is no need to lose the Yorkshire Cup altogether. If it is lost, the fault will lie entirely with the Yorks RFU rather than the Clubs.

There is every need for the York's RFU Committee to start listening to the Clubs it represents, re-schedule the dates of matches to not clash with league fixtures and have some flexibility.

It is clear that the York's RFU Committee needs a few more members who are involved with National League Clubs. The current bunch just don't have a clue.
Mountain Man is right, "Buffoons" does spring to mind.


Not sure how the clubs are blameless in this mess. They are the ones who enter, nobody forces them as far as I am aware, then pull out after the draw has been made.

Has anyone analysed the number of home sides tha pull out against the away sides that pull out?

Do they play chicken? Leave it late to pull out hoping the other side do first?

Do they pay a fee to enter the cup, if not maybe they should introduce one - even if it is refunded unless you concede?

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Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 23:55
Strange thing with Ilkley is that their 2's and 3's are still playing tomorrow, but can't raise a first team?
Surely you fill from below, most sides will have already used 30+ players already this year, so shouldn't be a case of players not being able to step up etc.

I've seen many full 2's sides take on other clubs full 1's team. Fair enough if you were asking 3rd teamers to step up it would be a stretch, but not 2nd teamers stepping up to play 1's - isn't that why you play second team rugby, to get that chance to play first team?


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 23:57
Also why do facebook comments from your own fans keep on being deleted about what a bad decision it is to pull out? Especially as you made a big fuss in November about B&B doing it to you......


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 09:25
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

There is no need to lose the Yorkshire Cup altogether. If it is lost, the fault will lie entirely with the Yorks RFU rather than the Clubs.

There is every need for the York's RFU Committee to start listening to the Clubs it represents, re-schedule the dates of matches to not clash with league fixtures and have some flexibility.

It is clear that the York's RFU Committee needs a few more members who are involved with National League Clubs. The current bunch just don't have a clue.
Mountain Man is right, "Buffoons" does spring to mind.


Not sure how the clubs are blameless in this mess. They are the ones who enter, nobody forces them as far as I am aware, then pull out after the draw has been made.

Has anyone analysed the number of home sides tha pull out against the away sides that pull out?

Do they play chicken? Leave it late to pull out hoping the other side do first?

Do they pay a fee to enter the cup, if not maybe they should introduce one - even if it is refunded unless you concede?


Raider999,

You are missing the key point.
The dates when the matches are to be played are set by the York's RFU, who have no regard at all for scheduled league matches. There are free league weekends but York's RFU ignore them. They put National league Clubs into preliminary rounds, that clash with league matches, when non-national league clubs have a free weekend.
York's RFU then act in such a dictatorial manner towards requests for cancellation and re-scheduling, that some Clubs are left with no choice but to withdraw.
Yorks RFU have recently cancelled the final rather than re-schedule. How crazy is that?

This is why I say that York's RFU are the primary cause of the problem and totally at fault if we lose the York's Cup altogether.

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 11:16
Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

It's a pity they hadn't done semi final draw
We probably could have played them tomorrow

There's a reason for that.


The quarterfinals and semifinals of European Cup
are drawn together. In this instance if Sandal had been drawn against
Harrogate we could have played and at least 1 club would have some income


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 11:33
I am fairly sure that right across all the CB's every club is automatically entered into the county knockout competitions at their relevant level - Cup, Vase, Shield etc. They are NOT required to register an "entry" - probably a good job as it stands!! It does seem strange that in Yorkshire your National League clubs are required to play preliminary rounds (Otley, Hull Ionians and Huddersfield this season) when they have to fit in 30 league games as it is (as opposed to 26 for Level 5 and below) Surely it would make sense for these clubs to be seeded through to the first round and let the lower level clubs compete in the preliminary round??
I thought County Committees were elected to facilitate and develop the clubs they represent not to act as an Enforcer - if two clubs agree a mutually convenient date to play a cup tie (even if it's between two 2nd XV's for those clubs who aren't too interested) then let them get on with it rather than the "Rules is Rules" stance adopted by most CB's. Certainly in my region, North Mids, clubs have been expelled from the competition for failing to play on the designated date which is ludicrous and perhaps a reason why there isn't much respect or support given to the Counties by their member clubs. The more ties that are played the more relevant the competition becomes- the alternative is as suggested by many on here - county cup competitions will be lost forever
And who's fault will that be? Clubs or Counties? I know where my vote goes


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 12:33
You can decide before the season if you don’t want to enter - Wharfedale did a few seasons back.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 12:43
I suppose the correct way to do that is before the draw is made and then you're not upsetting or affecting other clubs


Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 13:37
Sid James. .... Have you put your club’s concerns about the organisation of the Yorkshire Cup to the East Riding Clubs representative on the County Committee, and if so what was their response ? If not have you considered putting yourself forward to serve on the said Committee as in that way your voice and concerns/suggestions would then be heard.

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Posted By: PercyR
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 08:50
It's a carrot and stick world, and the clubs and authorities have both loaded the importance of league matches to a point where county cups have fallen by the wayside as meaningless.

League standing has become the be all and end all with relegation seen as unacceptable. And the authorities have added to this sense of importance by using league points, and therefore possible relegation, as the main sanction for misdoings.

If a club does not play a league fixture then it loses league points which is perfectly understandable; but league point deduction, actual, threatened or suspended, has also become the ultimate punishment for a wide variety of indiscretions - administrative errors, allowing under age players in lower teams, or too many red cards across a club's sides, have all resulted in 1st XVs losing points in the past couple of seasons.

If relegation is all important, the fear of it becomes pervasive and clubs become risk averse, calling off cup games to 'protect' players from theoretical harm.

If the stick was augmented and clubs lost league points, or international ticket allocations, or some other such meaningful retribution, then the carrot of winning a cup might suddenly become more appealing.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 09:04
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Sid James. .... Have you put your club’s concerns about the organisation of the Yorkshire Cup to the East Riding Clubs representative on the County Committee, and if so what was their response ? If not have you considered putting yourself forward to serve on the said Committee as in that way your voice and concerns/suggestions would then be heard.


Puli, please remember that any comments or observations I make on this forum are my own and not my clubs.
The answer to your first question is no, but I have put my point to a York's RFU committee member and it fell on deaf ears.

Your next point is typical. "If you think you can do a better job, you do it". What is wrong with expecting those elected and currently in position, to do a proper job and listen to the clubs they represent?


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Posted By: Ex Coach
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 12:34
The incentive for winning the county cup largely disappeared once the opportunity for the winners to play in the John Player cup with the chance of a money spinning tie against one of the glamour clubs at home.

I used to enjoy some of these first round matches and amongst others remember Hinckley playing Northampton Saints and particularly sitting in a large crowd at Lichfield on haybales watching them play Harlequins. I'm sure the health and safety people wouldn't allow that nowadays.

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Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 19:05
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

It's a pity they hadn't done semi final draw
We probably could have played them tomorrow

There's a reason for that.


The quarterfinals and semifinals of European Cup
are drawn together. In this instance if Sandal had been drawn against
Harrogate we could have played and at least 1 club would have some income

No, reason being, they are seriously considering pulling the Cup.
They are also aware that there is decreasing interest in the other County Cup comps, more so now clubs only play against teams in their League.


Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 20:41
I believe in Cheshire, for each round they just set a date that the tie has to have been played by. This usually allows a couple of blank weekends option and the teams can make it suit them.

Even then...you still get teams pulling out occasionally


Posted By: Willy Mclintosh
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 19:41
Sandal's programme from yesterday's match states "the team are fully committed to this competition".
The draw must have taken place as we have an away fixture against Wharfedale in the semi final. Date to yet be confirmed.
 
The final is stated to be on 17th April.
 
I cant see any free weekends for Wharfedale before 17th April but Sandal currently have a blank weekend on 16th March.


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Posted By: Stoo The Zoom
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2019 at 19:11
Another none match, Harrogate v Sheffield,  Yorks. Cup semi-final has been called off, Sheffield have to play a rearranged league fixture. Despite discussions between the Clubs and Yorkshire I don't think a suitable date for the match can be found due to league fixtures.


Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2019 at 23:13
Originally posted by Stoo The Zoom Stoo The Zoom wrote:

Another none match, Harrogate v Sheffield,  Yorks. Cup semi-final has been called off, Sheffield have to play a rearranged league fixture. Despite discussions between the Clubs and Yorkshire I don't think a suitable date for the match can be found due to league fixtures.

Can't they play it after the league fixtures are done with - 13/4/19



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 09:17
Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by Stoo The Zoom Stoo The Zoom wrote:

Another none match, Harrogate v Sheffield,  Yorks. Cup semi-final has been called off, Sheffield have to play a rearranged league fixture. Despite discussions between the Clubs and Yorkshire I don't think a suitable date for the match can be found due to league fixtures.

Can't they play it after the league fixtures are done with - 13/4/19



First post says final is due to be 17th April - so that would need to be put back

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Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 09:38
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by Stoo The Zoom Stoo The Zoom wrote:

Another none match, Harrogate v Sheffield,  Yorks. Cup semi-final has been called off, Sheffield have to play a rearranged league fixture. Despite discussions between the Clubs and Yorkshire I don't think a suitable date for the match can be found due to league fixtures.

Can't they play it after the league fixtures are done with - 13/4/19



First post says final is due to be 17th April - so that would need to be put back

Doubt it will even take place, but.
All Yorkshire cup Comps are having to be put back.

17th April was more than a little ambitious.


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 11:47
Gate could also be in the mx for a playoff place if results go their way to throw another date into the mix.
Can't see the final being played as Gate have made it their without playing a game in the competition, so I would expect Yorkshire to cancel it.

Even though it is my club they do have a good record recently

18/19 - Finalist by default
17/18 - Semi finalists lost to Donny Phoenix
16/17 - Winners - Sheff Tigers defaulted the final due to league fixtures
15/16 - Winners - beat Sheff Tigers
14/15 - Winners - beat Wharfedale


Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 14:51
Think you are right openthegate in forecasting that the competition will be abandoned, and if it is I cannot see it ever continuing in its present format,

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 15:06
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Think you are right openthegate in forecasting that the competition will be abandoned, and if it is I cannot see it ever continuing in its present format,


Next season the county is celebrating its 150th anniversary. The Cup should be a centre point of this. If the format is to change, then someone needs to make the decision quickly.

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Posted By: Remember Izal
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 16:30
I have always puzzled why Counties do it as a pre season tournament
Round 1 8 teams
Round 2 4 team semi final
Round 3 final 2 teams.
 
all the losers in round 1 then play in a plate on the same weekends to get to a Plate final.
 
It takes up 3 weekends and all of the losers can play each other.
 
Saves organising pre season and travel costs.


Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 17:31
Depends on what clubs want from pre season as there are clubs from level 3/4/5 & 6 involved in the main cup. I do think the first round/1/4's should be played in pre season though


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 18:13
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Think you are right openthegate in forecasting that the competition will be abandoned, and if it is I cannot see it ever continuing in its present format,


Next season the county is celebrating its 150th anniversary. The Cup should be a centre point of this. If the format is to change, then someone needs to make the decision quickly.


You answered your own question there Richard.
You mentioned making a 'decision' and doing it 'quickly"

No chance.

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Posted By: hrplaneman
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43
Being rather late to this thread, it is disheartening to read of the virtual demise of this age old competition. I certainly remember games being played, not that long ago with hundreds of supporters watching semi-final and finals games.

Those games were played both at weekends but more importantly as evening fixtures county wide. Surely this could be reintroduced or stated as one of the competition rules. Similarly why not at certain levels include 2nd XV's or academies as team entries? 

The one continuing factor in all of this is the exceptionally poor performance of the CB. They have Im afraid been too busy admiring the premiership trough that the blessed Carnegie organisation are ever hopeful of feeding at, but which now look increasingly less likely given their present predicament. Which, if they fold as many are predicting, not only takes away a championship side, but also loses the county all of the age grade junior sides that the CB saw fit to offer to Carnegie on a golden platter, believing that their coaching and player development/selection processes were better than had previously been managed effectively, by a wide and varied group of volunteers to identify those players for development through club, county and country age grade teams.


Posted By: BE57 REF
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 13:13
For those still interested........ There being no available Saturdays left, with both Sheffield and Wharfedale having rearranged league fixtures on Easter Saturday, Yorkshire have ruled that the two semi-finals - Harrogate v Sheffield and Wharfedale v Sandal - are to be played on Wednesday 3 April.

Under pressure from the away clubs who objected to travelling for a midweek fixture, Yorkshire have further ruled that the two matches should be played at neutral venues - Harrogate v Sheffield at West Park Leeds and Wharfedale v Sandal at Keighley. In a further twist, Harrogate have now withdrawn, presumably to concentrate on the battle for a play-off spot. Sheffield will therefore play the winners of Wharfedale v Sandal in the final which is scheduled on 17 April with the venue to be decided once the finalists are known.


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Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 15:13
What a mess!

I thought that gate vs sheff was supposed to be on 16/3?


Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 15:54
Originally posted by openthegate openthegate wrote:

What a mess!

I thought that gate vs sheff was supposed to be on 16/3?

It rained.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 17:37
Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by openthegate openthegate wrote:

What a mess!

I thought that gate vs sheff was supposed to be on 16/3?

It rained.


Really - not much of an excuse

The Yorkshire Cup Saga is worse than Brexit for making its mind up

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Posted By: Tiger Dome 2
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 10:02
It is a joke, we pulled out of the final in 2016 / 2017 against Harrogate ... they got the cup by default as Yorkshire would not change it due to county championships !!!!! Blazzer brigade on the free county tab no doubt. 

Now it looks like Harrogate have learnt and done the same due to promotion prospect. 

The BIGGEST joke of all is Sheffield have reached the final WITHOUT playing a single game ....... absolute shambles and diabolical ............. when oh when will the YORKSHIRE committee learn ????


Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 10:26
Tiger Dome ..... An even bigger joke would be if Sheffield’s opponents in the final pull out for some reason , resulting in Sheffield winning the Yorkshire Cup without playing a single match .

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Posted By: Trident
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 10:41
I wouldn't worry about it, the Cup isn't going to be run next season apparently.
There isn't much appetite for the other comps either.


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 12:12
Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

It is a joke, we pulled out of the final in 2016 / 2017 against Harrogate ... they got the cup by default as Yorkshire would not change it due to county championships !!!!! Blazzer brigade on the free county tab no doubt. 

Now it looks like Harrogate have learnt and done the same due to promotion prospect. 

The BIGGEST joke of all is Sheffield have reached the final WITHOUT playing a single game ....... absolute shambles and diabolical ............. when oh when will the YORKSHIRE committee learn ????
TD2, its the same in Surrey most seasons!! 


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Posted By: Tiger Dome 2
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 13:25
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Tiger Dome ..... An even bigger joke would be if Sheffield’s opponents in the final pull out for some reason , resulting in Sheffield winning the Yorkshire Cup without playing a single match .


LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Embarrassed

Very very good point Puli !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: Tiger Dome 2
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 14:04
Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it, the Cup isn't going to be run next season apparently.
There isn't much appetite for the other comps either.

But how have some counties made it better ?????

Hertfordshire play the final @ Allianz park and below a certain level you can only field a second team, taking the pressure off the level 4 clubs and above. (Not fully sure on detail but to make a point of how some counties are trying, and some have just given up)

What second team, youngster would not want to play @ Allianz park and it creates a more level playing field. 

Also make sure the fixtures are out at the beginning of the season ? giving mid week games a chance of going ahead, and rather than 6pm KO, under fl lights giving teams a chance to finish work and arrive .... maybe a 7:40 - 8:15 KO ?

To easy ? I just think they cant be hazelnutd so its easy to say lets cancel the competition !!!!


Posted By: Webbo9999
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 10:11
Seems a little bit strange Harrogate pulling
out of the Yorkshire cup after all the comments
on social media last month. I suppose in the end
you have to look after your players.


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 19:59
25 years ago Wakefield beat Sandal to win their last Yorkshire Cup. Wikipedia shows some illustrious winners and runners up in this competition. It would really be a shame to see it fold..
I know Sandal are looking forward to giving Wharfedale a lot of competion on Wednesday night at Keighley RUFC.
and hopefully the team that has at least played 2 games will win the Yorkshire Cup.



Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 23:02
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

25 years ago Wakefield beat Sandal to win their last Yorkshire Cup. Wikipedia shows some illustrious winners and runners up in this competition. It would really be a shame to see it fold..
I know Sandal are looking forward to giving Wharfedale a lot of competion on Wednesday night at Keighley RUFC.
and hopefully the team that has at least played 2 games will win the Yorkshire Cup.



I would like to wish the best of luck to both Clubs. It is great to see a York's Cup match being played.


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Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 18:30
Wharfedale have always seen this as experience for the 2nd team and are treating it as such. Cant see why other level 3, 4 & 5 clubs don't do the same.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 19:14
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Wharfedale have always seen this as experience for the 2nd team and are treating it as such. Cant see why other level 3, 4 & 5 clubs don't do the same.


Some do.
For a few seasons now Hull Ionians have used their 2ndXV to fulfill the Clubs York's Cup matches.
This is primarily due to the Constituent Body not listening and the 1stXV having a league match on the same day.

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 17:59
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Wharfedale have always seen this as experience for the 2nd team and are treating it as such. Cant see why other level 3, 4 & 5 clubs don't do the same.


I've always advocated that it should be a 2xv cup or a Development team Cup. Looking at Wharfdales team I think they
have put out a very strong 2nd team. and bearing in mind how well their Colts have done it will be "Game On" for Sandal.Just nice that the match will not be a W/O.


Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2019 at 22:39
Wharfedale 5 - 61 Sandal
Dale were doing well at 5-14 but Sandal had to much for them and cruised away.


Posted By: Dalesman
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 10:00
So Sandal vs Sheffield in the final. Should be worth going to.
Where will it be played? Doncaster would be good.


Posted By: Maroon
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 10:04
The Final will be held at Morley Rugby Club on April 17, kick off 7.30 pm



From the YRFU web site of yesterday.

The semi final of the Yorkshire Cup is being held on Wednesday 3rd April between Wharfedale and Sandal at Keighley RUFC.

The final between Sheffield and the winners of the above is being held on April 17th at Morley RUFC kick off 7:30pm.





Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 12:53
Sandal 32-14 Sheffield


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 10:43
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Sandal 32-14 Sheffield


Great to see the final played and well done to Sandal.

Maybe next season we can have a York's Cup Competition that is delivered by the Clubs and our Constituent Body, rather than despite our Constituent Body.

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 13:23
Thanks Sid. Well we did play 3 games to win it
which must be a record for recent Yorkshire cups.
It would be nice to see 1st round played in August
pre season. But that might take too much organisation
for the powers that be



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