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Topic: Re: Stadium For Cornwall Latest
Posted By: stadium
Subject: Re: Stadium For Cornwall Latest
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 08:57
Cornwall Councillor Bob Egerton reported that  the Land and Funding should be completed by the end of the month. See report on www.cornwalllive.com.



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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 12:33
That took some finding!

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/final-deals-stadium-cornwall-could-3077578 may help.


Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 07:59
I've just been to Cornwall - a long way and relatively small population .

Given that Exeter has a Prem Club ( albeit with a ground that requires expansion) is it likely that prem rugby is sustainable further down the peninsular?

Just asking ...


Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 08:07
Bigmal good point. On the positive side Cornwall rugby has no competition from big Football league clubs like other areas of UK. Population of Cornwall is growing to 600,000 plus millions of tourist.


Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 11:29
Pirates owner Dicky Evans releases statement on Stadium Project on Cornish Pirates website www.cornish-pirates.com/news and www.stadium4cornwall.blogspot.com


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 15:22
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

I've just been to Cornwall - a long way and relatively small population .

Given that Exeter has a Prem Club ( albeit with a ground that requires expansion) is it likely that prem rugby is sustainable further down the peninsular?

Just asking ...

Without a doubt - if we had a premiership team in Cornwall the following would be massive. Pirates v Gloms, Bath, Exeter or Bristol would fill up the new stadium.


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 16:50
Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Pirates owner Dicky Evans releases statement on Stadium Project on Cornish Pirates website www.cornish-pirates.com/news and www.stadium4cornwall.blogspot.com



https://cornish-pirates.com/news 404 page not found.

http://stadium4cornwall.blogspot.com/ - has the report...

Land not yet transferred, but it’s close.
Funding not yet..., but it’s close
Once funding received, we need more funding from shareholders and supporters to build phase , so it’s close to starting this fundraising.
Planning phase 2 (to provide long-term sustainability), not so close.

Given the Press piece three days ago there’s clearly a PR campaign going on to persuade someone that it’s getting close, but it’s not clear who. Is it trying to jog the government into committing their share?


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 17:22
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Pirates owner Dicky Evans releases statement on Stadium Project on Cornish Pirates website www.cornish-pirates.com/news and www.stadium4cornwall.blogspot.com



https://cornish-pirates.com/news 404 page not found.

http://stadium4cornwall.blogspot.com/ - has the report...

Land not yet transferred, but it’s close.
Funding not yet..., but it’s close
Once funding received, we need more funding from shareholders and supporters to build phase , so it’s close to starting this fundraising.
Planning phase 2 (to provide long-term sustainability), not so close.

Given the Press piece three days ago there’s clearly a PR campaign going on to persuade someone that it’s getting close, but it’s not clear who. Is it trying to jog the government into committing their share?

The article states that the transfer of the land is the key to the release of the promised government money. The council themselves have said this transfer is imminent - probably before the end of the month. When that is in place the build can start. Your sarcastic summation of the situation is typical of the negativity that has held this project up for so long.


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 17:44
Failure to complete on the land transfer, not my comments, is what is delaying the project.

Publicising this failure to complete, is what is pointing out this failure, and raising more doubts every time it is done.


Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 19:53
OldNick
Do you have a problem getting up in the morning? Interesting to know your location other than broad United Kingdom.Like our local Naysayers you will be disappointed when the project construction starts this year.


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 19:59
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Failure to complete on the land transfer, not my comments, is what is delaying the project.

Publicising this failure to complete, is what is pointing out this failure, and raising more doubts every time it is done.
 

Old Nick who do you support 


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 20:07
He supports Coventry I believe

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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 20:14
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

He supports Coventry I believe
 

Ah that explains things thank you


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 20:57
Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

OldNick
Do you have a problem getting up in the morning? Interesting to know your location other than broad United Kingdom.Like our local Naysayers you will be disappointed when the project construction starts this year.

I have no difficulty getting up in the morning.

I shall be delighted when you have a decent stadium down in Cornwall, even though I shall miss watching matches in Penzance. I’ve visited when CP have played away before, and it has not been the same.

The trouble is that the ‘announcements’ that are being made are all vapourware. Smoke and mirrors, increasingly desperate. They are doing more harm than good, because they are all promises.
None of them actually show progress. They show vague unspecified ‘jam tomorrow’ hopes of progress.

I live in a city where the local football club has been promising a new stadium for years. Every year it doesn’t happen, the less people trust that it ever will happen.

Stadium for Cornwall is, in my opinion, getting to that stage.
Politically, every day that government money is not confirmed, the less likely it is to survive Brexit, to serve the change of PM, to survive potential changes in government. Which politician will support a scheme to provide a stadium for what is seen nationally as an elitist, minority sport, in a distant county, with one of the smallest populations in the country?

That is why I am worried that you will never get your ground, worried that your inept communication is getting desperate, and believe that the people behind it are also looking increasingly worried that it will never happen.

You asked. That’s how it looks.


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2019 at 21:24
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

OldNick
Do you have a problem getting up in the morning? Interesting to know your location other than broad United Kingdom.Like our local Naysayers you will be disappointed when the project construction starts this year.

I have no difficulty getting up in the morning.

I shall be delighted when you have a decent stadium down in Cornwall, even though I shall miss watching matches in Penzance. I’ve visited when CP have played away before, and it has not been the same.

The trouble is that the ‘announcements’ that are being made are all vapourware. Smoke and mirrors, increasingly desperate. They are doing more harm than good, because they are all promises.
None of them actually show progress. They show vague unspecified ‘jam tomorrow’ hopes of progress.

I live in a city where the local football club has been promising a new stadium for years. Every year it doesn’t happen, the less people trust that it ever will happen.

Stadium for Cornwall is, in my opinion, getting to that stage.
Politically, every day that government money is not confirmed, the less likely it is to survive Brexit, to serve the change of PM, to survive potential changes in government. Which politician will support a scheme to provide a stadium for what is seen nationally as an elitist, minority sport, in a distant county, with one of the smallest populations in the country?

That is why I am worried that you will never get your ground, worried that your inept communication is getting desperate, and believe that the people behind it are also looking increasingly worried that it will never happen.

You asked. That’s how it looks.

Your interpretation of the statement is way off the mark. Completion of the land transfer is imminent, and that will release the government funds. Your impression from hundreds of miles away that "the people behind it are also looking worried that it will never happen" could not be further from the truth. 



Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 08:01
As an impartial observer I think it is right to be cautious - you just have to look at the TWO new stadiums promised in Bristol for the footy teams which came to naught. Using Bristol as an example though the redevelopment of Ashton Gate has benefitted not only a range of sports but the local economy.

15 home games a season with a gate of 10000 paying £30 equates to £4.5 m with sponsorship/tv etc lets say £7m maximum. Is that sufficient to sort out the stadium long term AND sustain a Prem club? I'm happy to see the outline figures used in the business plan. Does this involve taxpayers money as well?

I'm not being negative merely realistic.


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 11:18
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

As an impartial observer I think it is right to be cautious - you just have to look at the TWO new stadiums promised in Bristol for the footy teams which came to naught. Using Bristol as an example though the redevelopment of Ashton Gate has benefitted not only a range of sports but the local economy.

15 home games a season with a gate of 10000 paying £30 equates to £4.5 m with sponsorship/tv etc lets say £7m maximum. Is that sufficient to sort out the stadium long term AND sustain a Prem club? I'm happy to see the outline figures used in the business plan. Does this involve taxpayers money as well?

I'm not being negative merely realistic.

The rugby is only one facet of the stadium business plan. Truro College are basing their catering and hospitality department there - so the site will be in use constantly by them. There is also a planned conference centre plus many other users.


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 11:41
I thought Truro FC were talking about using it too? 

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Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 11:43
The complex will also have a Gym and Dance studio. Planning also passed for Luxury Hotel on site. The Pirates owner is a very successful International business man i  have no doubt that he will also be successful in this venture as well.


Posted By: elmsall man
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 11:45
Stalwart
Let it all wash over you.
Your faith and tenacity should be rewarded and I am sure that it will be.
If when Doncaster play the Pirates before the Pirates  are promoted we will continue to stay in Penzance but could we travel on any supporters coaches going from Penzance to Truro .It would be a fun trip!!


Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 11:49
Cannon your correct that Truro FC will play at the Stadium. Pirates owner Dicky Evans took over the club in June.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 12:10
So that is another 21 leauge games and whatever cup fixtures they have  - but what gate do they attract?
How much investment would they need to move up from Southern league even to league 2?


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Posted By: Dotcom
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 12:11
Originally posted by elmsall man elmsall man wrote:

If when Doncaster play the Pirates before the Pirates  are promoted we will continue to stay in Penzance but could we travel on any supporters coaches going from Penzance to Truro .It would be a fun trip!!

The new December Train Timetable should see trains PZ- Plymouth  every half hour - almost a turn up & go service and all stop Truro


Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 13:31
Originally posted by elmsall man elmsall man wrote:

Stalwart
Let it all wash over you.
Your faith and tenacity should be rewarded and I am sure that it will be.
If when Doncaster play the Pirates before the Pirates  are promoted we will continue to stay in Penzance but could we travel on any supporters coaches going from Penzance to Truro .It would be a fun trip!!

Thanks - we've been fighting negativity and ill-informed naysayers for many years, so I'll always fight our corner. 
On travel to Truro from PZ, hopefully transport will be laid on for those of us in the PZ area. As Dotcom says, rail travel would be pretty convenient, and there is a park and ride adjacent to the stadium site.


Posted By: Hoffee
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 15:52
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by elmsall man elmsall man wrote:

Stalwart
Let it all wash over you.
Your faith and tenacity should be rewarded and I am sure that it will be.
If when Doncaster play the Pirates before the Pirates  are promoted we will continue to stay in Penzance but could we travel on any supporters coaches going from Penzance to Truro .It would be a fun trip!!

Thanks - we've been fighting negativity and ill-informed naysayers for many years, so I'll always fight our corner. 
On travel to Truro from PZ, hopefully transport will be laid on for those of us in the PZ area. As Dotcom says, rail travel would be pretty convenient, and there is a park and ride adjacent to the stadium site.

No doubt there will be an ever-reliable First bus service from Truro train station to the new Langarth town. I would imagine this would make traveling from PZ relatively straight forward. That being said I would imagine there will be a new bus directly from PZ to Langarth, assuming they don't simply extend the existing Tinner services to cover it.


Posted By: Tricolour
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 16:24
OldNick is a pain in the backside, I had a run in with him on a different rugby forum after he slated the officials for his team losing. Come to think of it he's quite a negative person, must be an age thing.


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 17:02
I've never had a problem with him, personally.
Kimbo, on the other hand...


Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 18:03
OldNick is a true Rugby fan and can be very critical. He has slated Ealing Trailfinders facilities in the past and going way back our quagmire of a grass pitch before 3G.

Our WC,s or lack of them,how long it took to get a beer and the extortionate cost of food!. He was right on all accounts.

I was at a pre match celebratory meal at Cornish Pirates where the room was buzzing with excitement about the start of construction at the new ground.I bought raffle tickets for the honour of the 'breaking of ground' This was in May 2018 and here we are !.

I look forward to visiting the new ground but I agree with OldNick that there have been too many false starts.

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Posted By: Paul Rossborough
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 19:27
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

He supports Coventry I believe
 

Ah that explains things thank you


what does this mean?

OldNick says what he sees... nowt wrong with that!

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 20:14
Be nice to each other.

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2019 at 21:42
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Be nice to each other.


Tell that to that Welsh bloke.
Ooh he's got a proper sharp tongue that one.

Never did like leeks.

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Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2019 at 08:14
In Cornwall  the Eden Project, Hall4Cornwall and Falmouth Univercity all were "Dreckly" projects. They are now all multi million pound sustainable successful ventures. That is why i am confident the Stadium4Cornwall wil be the same and confirmed before the end of this month. 


Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2019 at 10:12
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Be nice to each other.


Tell that to that Welsh bloke.
.

Err - which one??



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