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Topic: London Scottish - Chinnor
Posted By: Intouch
Subject: London Scottish - Chinnor
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 09:48
Matt Williams has left Chinnor along with Ricky Khan this week, they are both joining London Scottish for the 20/21 season
Dan George  the head forwards coach went some weeks ago.
Several players have also left this week and agreed deals with London Scottish for next season, including Nick Selway 


This was published in The Rugby Paper last Sunday. Simon Vickers has been the main sponsor of Chinnor for the last 6 years 

http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36230/national-one-in-conflict-over-salary-cap-reduction/" rel="nofollow - https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36230/national-one-in-conflict-over-salary-cap-reduction/



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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 10:58
Wow..... that was unexpected.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 15:04
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Wow..... that was unexpected.


From memory, I think The sponsor was a construction firm - possibly hard hit by the virus?

However having got where they are by spending big it is a bit rich now trying to enforce a swinging mandatory budget when presumably the money has gone.

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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 15:53
So does that mean Scottish are possibly being bankrolled for a push next season?


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 16:22
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

So does that mean Scottish are possibly being bankrolled for a push next season?

I doubt it Robb. It probably means no more than that Scottish have a few quid more to spend than Chinnor who aren't happy about it.


Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 16:34
Bankrolled to push to do what....to finish 2nd behind Saracens??? No club in their right minds will try to compete with Sarries (and that includes Ealing). Best to ride out the financial fall-out from the current pandemic and then hope to challenge 2021-22 if the Premiership have not closed the door by then.


Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 17:09
I would suggest it is to ensure L Scots actually have a playing squad next season! All the Chinnor players are part time so assume currently have a job. All the L Scots players are full time therefore have no job. Who in London is giving out jobs at present for these players-not sure picking fruit or working in Asda will earn enough for London rents. Allows Williams and his players to play in a higher league without actually achieving it through results.


Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 18:36
Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

Bankrolled to push to do what....to finish 2nd behind Saracens??? No club in their right minds will try to compete with Sarries (and that includes Ealing). Best to ride out the financial fall-out from the current pandemic and then hope to challenge 2021-22 if the Premiership have not closed the door by then.

I'm not sure so sure Ealing can't overtake Saracens, a lot of loaned out players from them for next season, and players who will be missing due to internationals.....


Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 18:37
One difference Scottish have is they'll have either £288,000 or £400,000 to spend from the RFU for next season. Chinnor on the other hand have no guareenteed income.


Posted By: Monkey Magic
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 18:53
Thanks for the article Intouch I didn't get the RP this week. As usual a good mixture of truth and speculation in your post   Wink  
 

 


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 19:51
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

Bankrolled to push to do what....to finish 2nd behind Saracens??? No club in their right minds will try to compete with Sarries (and that includes Ealing). Best to ride out the financial fall-out from the current pandemic and then hope to challenge 2021-22 if the Premiership have not closed the door by then.

I'm not sure so sure Ealing can't overtake Saracens, a lot of loaned out players from them for next season, and players who will be missing due to internationals.....


Saracens will have more than enough to top the league - even playing on plastic at Ealing won't worry them as obviously they have their own.

The only thing I see stopping them is the Virus

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Posted By: semisonic
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 20:44
Chinnor's chairman has taken it upon himself to post in response to the thread in the National 1 board should that be of interest to anyone discussing here -  http://rolling-maul.com/salary-cap-article_topic18384.html" rel="nofollow - http://rolling-maul.com/salary-cap-article_topic18384.html


Posted By: Exiled_Scots
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 19:37
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

So does that mean Scottish are possibly being bankrolled for a push next season?

Ha ha - what do you mean? LS do not have a sugar daddy who is prepared to pump millions into the club to finish second, season after season. 

Next season in the Championship will be a procession for Saracens before a ball is even touched. Why waste significant sums of money for the pleasure of saying we came second to Saracens? 


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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 20:14
Don't the rules state that Saracens can't be promoted in 2020/2021


Posted By: Sussexscots
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 20:44
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Don't the rules state that Saracens can't be promoted in 2020/2021

On the basis they would have to have complied with the salary cap for two consecutive seasons? 

How would we know as they won't open their books? 

Even if they did, I'd  fully expect this to be fudged and  once Saracens stroll the Championship, the drawbridge pulled up.


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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 08:19
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Don't the rules state that Saracens can't be promoted in 2020/2021
No, that rumour was false.


Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 09:42
Clever move by Scottish if Williams can bring the best of the Chinnor players with him-a lot have Championship experience plus most of the Scottish players departing i assume as they will need to find a job, of which not many being offered at present. My only query is how does he explain to the Chinnor players that he sacked them before the season had been announced as ended, did not pay them the  money they were owed but now wants them to come and play for him at L Scottish?


Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 10:49
Chinnor finished fourth in Nat One. How likely are these coaches and players to cut a swathe through the Championship? 


Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 11:47
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Clever move by Scottish if Williams can bring the best of the Chinnor players with him-a lot have Championship experience plus most of the Scottish players departing i assume as they will need to find a job, of which not many being offered at present. My only query is how does he explain to the Chinnor players that he sacked them before the season had been announced as ended, did not pay them the  money they were owed but now wants them to come and play for him at L Scottish?

Did he sack them? or was it the chairman?


Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 11:48
Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Chinnor finished fourth in Nat One. How likely are these coaches and players to cut a swathe through the Championship? 

Looking at their 1st XV, last season it was a mix of loan players and ex-championship guys. Will Harries,Nick Selway,Carl Kirwan all either played Champ or Prem rugby year before. I'd say their starting team was of Championship quality.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 12:20
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Clever move by Scottish if Williams can bring the best of the Chinnor players with him-a lot have Championship experience plus most of the Scottish players departing i assume as they will need to find a job, of which not many being offered at present. My only query is how does he explain to the Chinnor players that he sacked them before the season had been announced as ended, did not pay them the  money they were owed but now wants them to come and play for him at L Scottish?


If they are owed money then Chinnor may be in more trouble than we thought.

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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 12:26
Well the stats don’t say that in 25 games they lost 7 and drew 2. I wouldn’t say that is the mark of a team playing a division lower

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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 13:01
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Well the stats don’t say that in 25 games they lost 7 and drew 2. I wouldn’t say that is the mark of a team playing a division lower

Yes agreed that their playing record wouldn't suggest they were a championship level squad, however I believe they have a proportion of player that are easily solid championship players. This year's National one might've been one of the most competitive ever, seeing the quality the likes of Rosslyn Park & Richmond possessed. It could be said that there was no semi-pro opportunities for London based rugby players in London last season, and such they had to play National 1.


Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 13:38
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Well the stats don’t say that in 25 games they lost 7 and drew 2. I wouldn’t say that is the mark of a team playing a division lower

Yes agreed that their playing record wouldn't suggest they were a championship level squad, however I believe they have a proportion of player that are easily solid championship players. This year's National one might've been one of the most competitive ever, seeing the quality the likes of Rosslyn Park & Richmond possessed. It could be said that there was no semi-pro opportunities for London based rugby players in London last season, and such they had to play National 1.

The Chinnor players who had Premiership or Championship experience were possibly moving towards the end of their careers and looking for a final pay day, or perhaps a they wanted to "Fast track their lives" to quote Mr Williams Wink


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Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 16:10
Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

<span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; : rgb251, 251, 253;">Matt Williams has left Chinnor along with Ricky Khan this week, they are both joining London Scottish for the 20/21 season</span><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Dan George  the head forwards coach went some weeks ago.<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Several players have also left this week and agreed deals with London Scottish for next season, including Nick Selway <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">This was published in The Rugby Paper last Sunday. Simon Vickers has been the main sponsor of Chinnor for the last 6 years <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"> http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36230/national-one-in-conflict-over-salary-cap-reduction/" rel="nofollow - https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36230/national-one-in-conflict-over-salary-cap-reduction/

I sincerely hope that Salad plays when LS come over to Jersey next season. He will get one hell of a reception, assuming that fans are actually allowed to attend games by then.



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