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Topic: London Scottish to move
Posted By: Member728
Subject: London Scottish to move
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 17:27
https://londonscottish.com/london-scottish-to-leave-richmond-athletic-ground-after-127-years/" rel="nofollow - https://londonscottish.com/london-scottish-to-leave-richmond-athletic-ground-after-127-years/

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Posted By: ExtraB
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 17:45
That’s got to be good for both clubs 

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 17:59
I have heard of social distancing ...

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 18:24
LOLLOL


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 18:33
Should old aquaintance be forgot.......


Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 20:34
It was very convenient to hop on the 65 bus from Ealing Broadway. Escher more of a hike. I wonder how much of a hit thay will be to Richmond revenue-wise.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 21:02
Is there a part of London where they won't be encroaching on an existing club? 

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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 21:25
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Is there a part of London where they won't be encroaching on an existing club? 
Maybe Southall


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 21:42
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Is there a part of London where they won't be encroaching on an existing club? 

Is there anywhere in London where there is enough available and affordable green space for them to move to is a more pertinant question. 


Posted By: Exiled_Scots
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 21:43
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

It was very convenient to hop on the 65 bus from Ealing Broadway. Escher more of a hike. I wonder how much of a hit thay will be to Richmond revenue-wise.

Enormous hit in bar revenues. Goes from bar takings every weekend to a 50% reduction. 
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 21:43
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Is there a part of London where they won't be encroaching on an existing club? 
Maybe Southall

Close to London Irish's new base in Brentford? 


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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 21:53
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Is there a part of London where they won't be encroaching on an existing club? 
Maybe Southall

Close to London Irish's new base in Brentford? 

How about Runnymede Scottish?


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 22:14
That tramples on Egham Hollowegians


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Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 22:15
Bank of England?


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 22:18
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Bank of England?

Merge with them to become Bank of England Scottish or Scottish Bank of England?

Not sure that sounds right.


Posted By: Deerhunter2
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 22:54
One of the highlights of the Season going to Richmond, I was looking forward to going twice next season now that Richmond are back. Esher pain in the backside to get to by train.


Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 22:56
Keep up to date Robb! Tuh!  https://www.bankofenglandsportscentre.co.uk/update-on-the-sale-of-the-bank-of-england-sports-centre/" rel="nofollow - https://www.bankofenglandsportscentre.co.uk/update-on-the-sale-of-the-bank-of-england-sports-centre/


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 08:43
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

That tramples on Egham Hollowegians
Clap


Posted By: Sussexscots
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 08:55
Originally posted by Deerhunter2 Deerhunter2 wrote:

One of the highlights of the Season going to Richmond, I was looking forward to going twice next season now that Richmond are back. Esher pain in the backside to get to by train.

LS will still be playing at the RAG next season 20/21. 

So assuming we're able to actually GO to games, rather than sitting at home pickled in hand sanitizer, in terror of the Red Death, you'll still get two trips inSmile


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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 09:01
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

It was very convenient to hop on the 65 bus from Ealing Broadway. Escher more of a hike. I wonder how much of a hit thay will be to Richmond revenue-wise.

Particularly if you end up going this way:

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 09:31
Not too difficult! 

1223 from Bedford to St Pancras, Underground to Vauxhall, 1354 to Hersham, arrives 1421, 5 minutes walk to ground and time for a pint and a burger before kick-off.

Leave at 1830, 15 minute stagger to the station, 1849 to Vauxhall, Underground to St Pancras, 2005 to Bedford arriving 2040 where a lovely lady will meet you and berate you for being so Huckleberryly Pear!


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 09:43
So eloquently put, sir, regarding the lovely lady and her response LOL

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Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 09:49
Dickon 
unaware of BOE ground but LS have signed 2 year deal with Esher with an option for another 2 years
that will be at least 3 years before they can move there


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Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 13:56
How about a complete relocation to North of the border and becoming Scottish London? Direct flights from Jersey to Glasgow and Edinburgh work for me


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 14:48
When Nottingham sadly had to move from Ireland Avenue it took us a couple of years to find somewhere


Posted By: Bunkermentality
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 16:06
Why is it even good for either club?


Posted By: romford
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 16:16
Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 16:32
Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

We are happy stay in the servants’ quarters for our namesake town. The land is cheaper!


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 12:32
Can anyone explain why London Scottish could not stay at RAG until their new ground was ready rather than undergo a temporary move to Esher? 

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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 12:58
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Can anyone explain why London Scottish could not stay at RAG until their new ground was ready rather than undergo a temporary move to Esher? 


Options could be

1 They have got a better financial deal at Esher

2 They have had a fall out

3 They have a new source of income who wants to get things moving


Sure there are more options and I haven't a clue what it could be although they do seem to be recruiting heavily



Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 14:40
Plough Lane? 
Wimbledon Scottish...LOL


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Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 15:46
Rumour is that they might look to develop the University of Westminster site, up by Chiswick Bridge.


Posted By: Kentish Man
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 17:35
Esher's Pitch does not have the best of reputations with one 1st team using it alternate weekends, I wonder what state it will be in being played on every weekend ?



Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 16:57
Originally posted by Kentish Man Kentish Man wrote:

Esher's Pitch does not have the best of reputations with one 1st team using it alternate weekends, I wonder what state it will be in being played on every weekend ?

I'm sure the budget spent on the Molesey Rd pitch will exponentially increase - I'm sure they'll be ok!

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Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 18:03
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Can anyone explain why London Scottish could not stay at RAG until their new ground was ready rather than undergo a temporary move to Esher? 

one of John Dee's options is correct


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 09:36
No doubt the rest of us will find out soon.

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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 12:36
The loss of bar revenue and the ability to hold pre match lunches where you receive the reward may be a driving factor it was when we moved from Rectory field to Well Hall

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Posted By: Penda
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 14:50
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

When Nottingham sadly had to move from Ireland Avenue it took us a couple of years to find somewhere

Wonder how that is now seen in hindsight.


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 16:10
https://richmondfc.co.uk/index.php/1533-club-statement-london-scottish-to-leave-athletic-ground-after-127-years" rel="nofollow - https://richmondfc.co.uk/index.php/1533-club-statement-london-scottish-to-leave-athletic-ground-after-127-years

There is a good interview on the Richmond web site about this. Seems 'amicable'.


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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 17:56
My understanding of how Richmond / London Scottish worked was that there is an independent company that runs the catering and facilities. Not sure who maintains the grounds / pitches. This surely is only viable if the clubhouse and grounds are used to full capacity.

The bills to run the place virtually stay the same and London Scottish leaving surely puts the burden of these running costs on Richmond.

I assume by London Scottish moving on the income is halved.



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Posted By: Exiled_Scots
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 19:13
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

My understanding of how Richmond / London Scottish worked was that there is an independent company that runs the catering and facilities. Not sure who maintains the grounds / pitches. This surely is only viable if the clubhouse and grounds are used to full capacity.

The bills to run the place virtually stay the same and London Scottish leaving surely puts the burden of these running costs on Richmond.

I assume by London Scottish moving on the income is halved.


Correct on all counts and Mond will need new revenue streams to fill the drop in the considerable bar takings etc. Ouch


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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 20:35
According to my Richmond member mate because the Scots did not profit from any bar takings many of their supporters deliberately drank elsewhere in Richmond town so unlikely income halved. I thought  London Scots are tenants and pay rent to Richmond? Perhaps Richmond have a replacement in mind? Sadly could well be some clubs that need a new home.


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 08:13
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

According to my Richmond member mate because the Scots did not profit from any bar takings many of their supporters deliberately drank elsewhere in Richmond town so unlikely income halved. I thought  London Scots are tenants and pay rent to Richmond? Perhaps Richmond have a replacement in mind? Sadly could well be some clubs that need a new home.
I suspect this is very near the mark as I have regularly chatted with LS supporters in my own favourite RAG pre match venues - Triple Crown, Sun Inn & Kew Gardens (for food). The main bar at the RAG is inevitably access limited pre-match for the corporate lunch as it is in many clubs including Jersey but the other end towards the shop seems well used. The RAG is really convenient for the train link back to Gatwick for the last flight.

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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 09:06
    I am sure that Richmond have a plan and will make it work. There are some very astute people at the top of the club.


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 09:09
In his interview Nick Preston of Richmond presented the situation as an economic opportunity for Richmond, while paying due respect and affection for LS and the hundred year association.
The RAG is in a very good spot and I expect they will fill the gap, as there are all sorts of functions they can put on. They also have a year to plan.
As for going to Esher, whilst it is an expensive leafy place, it's not London and relatively out of the way.
However the motive for the move is obviously commercial and anything more than zero must be good for Scottish.


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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 09:27
The bit that doesn't quite make sense to me is the timings of the announcement and the actual move.  Why are they staying at the RAG for another 12 months instead of making a clean break now?  Why are they lodging at Esher for a minimum of two years?  Surely better to make concrete plans and then leave the partnership as and when they're ready to start afresh somewhere new.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 11:03
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

The bit that doesn't quite make sense to me is the timings of the announcement and the actual move.  Why are they staying at the RAG for another 12 months instead of making a clean break now?  Why are they lodging at Esher for a minimum of two years?  Surely better to make concrete plans and then leave the partnership as and when they're ready to start afresh somewhere new.

The timings do seem strange. 

I presume notice has to be given to RAG/Richmond, but I struggle to understand the Esher ground share in all of this. Surely RAG/Richmond would have been in favour of three more years of revenue unless they have already got a replacement tenant lined up. 


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 12:11
Perhaps the covid losses have forced them to look for ways to save costs and earn revenue. It's a big step after over a hundred years and they are so embedded in the RAG they can't just up sticks and go. Maybe they've done a good deal with Esher. Some years ago I was told they were paying £40000 pa rent at the RAG.
The Richmond commercial people are very enterprising and I feel sure the income will be replaced.


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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 12:17
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

The bit that doesn't quite make sense to me is the timings of the announcement and the actual move.  Why are they staying at the RAG for another 12 months instead of making a clean break now?  Why are they lodging at Esher for a minimum of two years?  Surely better to make concrete plans and then leave the partnership as and when they're ready to start afresh somewhere new.


The timings do seem strange. 

I presume notice has to be given to RAG/Richmond, but I struggle to understand the Esher ground share in all of this. Surely RAG/Richmond would have been in favour of three more years of revenue unless they have already got a replacement tenant lined up. 


Agreed there must be a notice period as I said previously when Nottingham left Ireland Avenue it took us a couple of year to find and develop a new ground . Am sure that is the reason


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 12:43
As you say notice period and it stops rumours flying.
It will take time to build Championship level facilities - and we must assume that play will resume and there will be crownds wanting to come and watch Scottisheven if the league goes semi-pro.

It does nto say when the rest of the club will move.
It is probably easier to move the mini and youth onto a new field with temporary facilities  while you build the new main pavilion with all the necessary. 


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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 15:20
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

As you say notice period and it stops rumours flying.
It will take time to build Championship level facilities - and we must assume that play will resume and there will be crownds wanting to come and watch Scottisheven if the league goes semi-pro.

It does nto say when the rest of the club will move.
It is probably easier to move the mini and youth onto a new field with temporary facilities  while you build the new main pavilion with all the necessary. 


Planning permission can be the biggest !!! if it isn't already a developed sports ground getting agreement for access for 100s of supporters or mini and juniors , a pavilion with licensed bar and then you have floodlights . Its easier in the middle of nowhere but in a town a lot of people quite rightly object to big lights at 9 o'clock on a winters night. The list is a lot longer so they are being prudent in giving themselves time


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 16:01
All the more reason to sit tight until they're ready to move in!


Posted By: Dave G/w
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 22:36
Rather than play at Esher, surprised LS didn’t try and share grounds with the metropolitan police rugby club at Imber court , Esher. Lovely ground facilities, good bar, big stand , would have helped the met out with rent too. 



Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 08:15
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

All the more reason to sit tight until they're ready to move in!

agreed but that's where the conspiracy theorists will have a field day


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 09:59
Originally posted by Dave G/w Dave G/w wrote:

Rather than play at Esher, surprised LS didn’t try and share grounds with the metropolitan police rugby club at Imber court , Esher. Lovely ground facilities, good bar, big stand , would have helped the met out with rent too. 



Not sure if this is right, but is it possible that Imber Court wouldn't be able to have the size of crowds Scottish require?

Presumably Esher already has a license/agreement that suits?

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Posted By: High Heidjin
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 11:16
To get to the nub of why Scottish are moving, one has to wind the clock back to 1999. Both 1st XVs were playing in the Premiership at the time, having just completed the 98-99 season. Both had one major investor; Scottish had Tony Tiarks and Richmond, Ashley Levette. Bear in mind, too, that this was the early days of the professional game. Both 'owners' decided to pull the plug on their backing at the end of the season. As a result, both clubs and the Richmond Athletic Assocation (RAA), which runs the facilities for both clubs went into administration. The RAA was run on a 49% - 49% share by both clubs, the remaining 2% owned by the Bowling Club (no longer there) and small investors. The RAA chairman was appointed by Scottish and Richmond on a rotating basis. This all worked very well and very amicably until the administrators were appointed.

We all know about the 'law of unintended consequences'. This could well be what happened here. The administrators obviously wanted to get the highest offer they could get. One that came into the frame, temporarily, was Chelsea FC who wanted to use the Athletic Ground as their training base !

It seems that both clubs had pulled together a consortium of investors and ended up having to outbid each other. Richmond pipped Scottish at the last minute and took 100% control of the RAA. There were many accusatons in the backgroundof 'underhand practices' attributed to both clubs. Despite Richmond gaining control of the RAA, a great deal of acrimony still resides within a small band of the Richmond membership.

The next pivotal moment came in 2016, when the Crown Estate lease came up for renewal. Scottish had hoped that this process could, potentially, gain back some equity in the ground enabling future redevelopment etc. Those negotiations have been going on ever since. Add into the mix the RFU funding withdrawal / reduction and the impact of Covid-19, the ensuing consequences for both clubs in the short-term is not great from a commercial perspective. Scottish went back to the table one last time. What they asked for (equity back in the RAA of 50%) was rejected. Hence the announcements made last week.

Many members of both clubs are very upset about the situation. Having shared the ground for 126 years, one could ask, 'if you can share a ground for 126 years, why not for another 126' ? Other folks will need to answer that. Personally, I think it's a real shame, but for the sake of London Scottish's future, it's time to move away from the bitter acrimonies and it's time to move on .


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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 11:25
Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

To get to the nub of why Scottish are moving, one has to wind the clock back to 1999. Both 1st XVs were playing in the Premiership at the time, having just completed the 98-99 season. Both had one major investor; Scottish had Tony Tiarks and Richmond, Ashley Levette. Bear in mind, too, that this was the early days of the professional game. Both 'owners' decided to pull the plug on their backing at the end of the season. As a result, both clubs and the Richmond Athletic Assocation (RAA), which runs the facilities for both clubs went into administration. The RAA was run on a 49% - 49% share by both clubs, the remaining 2% owned by the Bowling Club (no longer there) and small investors. The RAA chairman was appointed by Scottish and Richmond on a rotating basis. This all worked very well and very amicably until the administrators were appointed.

We all know about the 'law of unintended consequences'. This could well be what happened here. The administrators obviously wanted to get the highest offer they could get. One that came into the frame, temporarily, was Chelsea FC who wanted to use the Athletic Ground as their training base !

It seems that both clubs had pulled together a consortium of investors and ended up having to outbid each other. Richmond pipped Scottish at the last minute and took 100% control of the RAA. There were many accusatons in the backgroundof 'underhand practices' attributed to both clubs. Despite Richmond gaining control of the RAA, a great deal of acrimony still resides within a small band of the Richmond membership.

The next pivotal moment came in 2016, when the Crown Estate lease came up for renewal. Scottish had hoped that this process could, potentially, gain back some equity in the ground enabling future redevelopment etc. Those negotiations have been going on ever since. Add into the mix the RFU funding withdrawal / reduction and the impact of Covid-19, the ensuing consequences for both clubs in the short-term is not great from a commercial perspective. Scottish went back to the table one last time. What they asked for (equity back in the RAA of 50%) was rejected. Hence the announcements made last week.

Many members of both clubs are very upset about the situation. Having shared the ground for 126 years, one could ask, 'if you can share a ground for 126 years, why not for another 126' ? Other folks will need to answer that. Personally, I think it's a real shame, but for the sake of London Scottish's future, it's time to move away from the bitter acrimonies and it's time to move on .

Totally agree, and there has been a lot of moving of grounds since the game went pro, and overall most clubs are better off for it.

With Mose, we had a decade in the wilderness and the god awful university years, but actually (quietly - and it's still rare that people will say it out loud) I reckon that other than the history and the location Billesley Common is now a better ground, with better facilities, than the Reddings.


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 12:20
Very interesting. Delving into history puts things into perspective.

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Posted By: Dave G/w
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 12:26
Raider999 when they reached the national leagues , the stand itself can hold 600 . Then there is the rest of the ground . Shame as they stand is a lot bigger than Richmonds, but they must have their reasons to share with Esher 


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 12:49
Originally posted by Dave G/w Dave G/w wrote:

Rather than play at Esher, surprised LS didn’t try and share grounds with the metropolitan police rugby club at Imber court , Esher. Lovely ground facilities, good bar, big stand , would have helped the met out with rent too. 


Would Imber Court be able to cope with the mini's juniors, girls, colts and the other Scottish teams as its multi use and other sports may object if they have to give up ground


Posted By: Dave G/w
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 15:08
Jondee true Esher is a nice ground , so I suppose it makes sense till new ground is found 


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 15:56
RAG ground capacity 4500, Esher 3500. Unless Saracens cause a crowd, not needed.
Mond/LS derby about 16-1800 if I recall correctly.


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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 18:00
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

RAG ground capacity 4500, Esher 3500. Unless Saracens cause a crowd, not needed.
Mond/LS derby about 16-1800 if I recall correctly.
Esher can hold up to 4500, we did when we played Northampton.


Posted By: High Heidjin
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 19:33
Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

RAG ground capacity 4500, Esher 3500. Unless Saracens cause a crowd, not needed.
Mond/LS derby about 16-1800 if I recall correctly.
After the fallout from their Premiership demise, there was eager anticipation for the first Scottish v Richmond league match in Herts-Middlesex League One (level 9 at the time). The crowd was estimated at circa 3,500 to 4,000. Scottish won that first encounter. However, both were promoted at the end of that first season back in the league structure. Richmond had ditched Middlesex as their CB due to their perceived lack of support following their demise and chose Surrey as their CB. They wouldn’t meet again until both were promoted back to London 1 some years later (now called SE Premier). Crowds then again were very similar with the RFU having to appoint senior ‘teams of three’ to cope with the magnitude of the games. Long may it continue .......


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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 16:53
Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 18:59
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 12:40
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!

Yes but my post was in response to the suggestion that Esher should move from Hersham where they aren't as the ground is in Walton-on-Thames!


Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 13:49
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!

Yes but my post was in response to the suggestion that Esher should move from Hersham where they aren't as the ground is in Walton-on-Thames!
Last time I checked it was 2 minutes walk from Hersham Station.

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 15:24
Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!

Yes but my post was in response to the suggestion that Esher should move from Hersham where they aren't as the ground is in Walton-on-Thames!
Last time I checked it was 2 minutes walk from Hersham Station.
It is 2 minutes from Hersham Station to the ground pre-match but 15 minutes back post-match!


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 15:26
Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!

Yes but my post was in response to the suggestion that Esher should move from Hersham where they aren't as the ground is in Walton-on-Thames!
Last time I checked it was 2 minutes walk from Hersham Station.

Yes it is. With the boundary between Hersham and Walton-on-Thames crossed as you walk as indicated in my initial post.

How difficult is it for folks to grasp the fact that Esher Rugby Club's ground is in Walton-on-Thames?

Phone Elmbridge Borough Council to check if you like.


Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 15:49
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!

Yes but my post was in response to the suggestion that Esher should move from Hersham where they aren't as the ground is in Walton-on-Thames!
Last time I checked it was 2 minutes walk from Hersham Station.

Yes it is. With the boundary between Hersham and Walton-on-Thames crossed as you walk as indicated in my initial post.

How difficult is it for folks to grasp the fact that Esher Rugby Club's ground is in Walton-on-Thames?

Phone Elmbridge Borough Council to check if you like.
And I thought it was Walton-on-the Naze!!

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 08:48
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by romford romford wrote:

Perhaps Esher will now relocate from Hersham to the town they are named after?

Esher's ground is actually in Walton-on-Thames. The boundary with Hersham is between the station and the club.
And the address is Molesey Road! Esher were founded at the Wheatsheaf Public House on Esher Green, hence the name!

Yes but my post was in response to the suggestion that Esher should move from Hersham where they aren't as the ground is in Walton-on-Thames!
Last time I checked it was 2 minutes walk from Hersham Station.

Yes it is. With the boundary between Hersham and Walton-on-Thames crossed as you walk as indicated in my initial post.

How difficult is it for folks to grasp the fact that Esher Rugby Club's ground is in Walton-on-Thames?

Phone Elmbridge Borough Council to check if you like.
And I thought it was Walton-on-the Naze!!

And the first time we played Wharfedale we had to accommodate two Yorkshiremen who had got confused and booked a hotel in Horsham! What a difference an E makes!


Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 09:28
So London Irish finally return to London, and then Scottish leave. The new not-nots.


Posted By: Wattie67
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 17:01
Anyone have an idea where Scottish Hope to end up after their deal with Esher ends?


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 17:15
Originally posted by Wattie67 Wattie67 wrote:

Anyone have an idea where Scottish Hope to end up after their deal with Esher ends?
In the premiership?

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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 17:23
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Wattie67 Wattie67 wrote:

Anyone have an idea where Scottish Hope to end up after their deal with Esher ends?
In the premiership?

As I said a week ago when Nottingham had to sadly move from Ireland Avenue it took more than a year to find a site, we had serious discussions on 2 or 3 but for a number of reasons they weren't right , before we landed at Lady Bay so I would be surprised if we hear anything for a number of months


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 14:53
So London Scottish have announced the groundshare with Esher is off and they are to stay at the RAG having received a much better offer to stay on a season by season basis.

I also hear no deal had been signed with Esher so I wonder if there ever was any intention to move and if Esher were used as a bargaining tool?


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 16:39
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

So London Scottish have announced the groundshare with Esher is off and they are to stay at the RAG having received a much better offer to stay on a season by season basis.

I also hear no deal had been signed with Esher so I wonder if there ever was any intention to move and if Esher were used as a bargaining tool?


I thought it was a done deal at Esher - somebody obviously jumped the gun announcing that.

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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 17:44
My understanding is that Scots were definitely not offered a better deal and in fact returned cap in hand to the RAG asking to return. Esher appear to have been poorly treated by the Scots in this. Can only be a partial return as the London Broncos Academy have taken over their training nights. Will their 1st XV stay training at Maidenhead?


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 17:59
I'm not privy to the dealing that led to this and will no doubt be told once spectating resumes. However it looks as if Richmond now have two tenants instead of one. Good for the bank account, tough on the grass.


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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 10:49
I’m sure Haliford will be able to inform all the reasons from Esher side,although it was Scottish that made the call and then informed Esher the change of mind, Esher had no say in it. Nothing was signed and it was a verbal agreement, bit like dropping out from buying a house after making an offer!! 

The RAG may well be a few pound better off but I would dread to think what the pitches are going to look  like if we have a semi wet winter.





Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 13:58
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

I’m sure Haliford will be able to inform all the reasons from Esher side,although it was Scottish that made the call and then informed Esher the change of mind, Esher had no say in it. Nothing was signed and it was a verbal agreement, bit like dropping out from buying a house after making an offer!! 

The RAG may well be a few pound better off but I would dread to think what the pitches are going to look  like if we have a semi wet winter.







I watched a game at Richmond (London Scots v Plymouth as I recall) a few years ago (was on train to watch Raiders at Henley when that was called off) The pitch that day was a total quagmire. Vividly remember one of the Plymouth wingers having a clean shirt 5 minutes from the end whilst virtually all the rest of the players were indistinguishable.

Those were the days - train trips, good beer in the pubs and allowed to watch rugby live.

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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 14:23
To be fair, the Richmond pitches are very well maintained. I've only seen a few quagmires over the past 14 years, and they've been after really exceptional weather. I expect the powers that be at Richmond will be very careful about what they let themselves in for.


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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 23:51
From my understanding -  the 1st xv will return ,the amateur club will not.
Historically the amateur club/sides that weren't the pro side trained on a monday & wednesday evening - i believe due to the fact Richmond trained on tuesday/thursday.
The amateur club will be based at another site.
Broncos Academy from memory train on Mondays & Wednesdays.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 08:47
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

I’m sure Haliford will be able to inform all the reasons from Esher side,although it was Scottish that made the call and then informed Esher the change of mind, Esher had no say in it. Nothing was signed and it was a verbal agreement, bit like dropping out from buying a house after making an offer!! 

The RAG may well be a few pound better off but I would dread to think what the pitches are going to look  like if we have a semi wet winter.




That’s about the size of it. Agreements were ready to be signed. It is frustrating but it may only be a delay of a year.



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