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Topic: Delayed Re-start
Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Subject: Delayed Re-start
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 12:26
Just announced on the NCA website, no re-start in September for Level 3 and below. 

http://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-rugby-not-set-for-september-start/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-rugby-not-set-for-september-start/



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Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 12:47
It will be January 2021 at the earliest. Probably now more likely September 2021. That's been blindingly obvious for months.



Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 12:47
At this stage I cannot see rugby before Christmas.
If we need four weeks at C, D and E then a couple of weeks of pre-season matches we might start the league in january.


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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 13:28
Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

Just announced on the NCA website, no re-start in September for Level 3 and below. 

http://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-rugby-not-set-for-september-start/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-rugby-not-set-for-september-start/

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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 13:58
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

At this stage I cannot see rugby before Christmas.
If we need four weeks at C, D and E then a couple of weeks of pre-season matches we might start the league in january.

We don't need four weeks between each stage except from E to F, to ensure  players have a month of proper contact training before playing a match.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 14:10
Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

It will be January 2021 at the earliest. Probably now more likely September 2021. That's been blindingly obvious for months.



I've always thought January would be the earliest, unless there is a vaccine widely available before hand.

Unfortunately, I have to agree, even that is looking unlikely as things are going.

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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 16:42
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

It will be January 2021 at the earliest. Probably now more likely September 2021. That's been blindingly obvious for months.



I've always thought January would be the earliest, unless there is a vaccine widely available before hand.

Unfortunately, I have to agree, even that is looking unlikely as things are going.

I'm with you two, always thought the best we could hope for would be a January re-start unless a vaccine is found. 


Posted By: Exiled in Mann
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 21:34
There is some community rugby going ahead as both Guernsey & the Isle of Man are presently free of Covid 19 having had closed borders and travel bans. Guernsey Raiders are therefore playing Douglas from the Isle of Man on Saturday the 15th in what might possibly be the first interclub game of rugby played at the community level in the northern hemisphere post Covid 19.
 
Should be a comfortable win for Guernsey as they are two leagues higher and at home but it is good to see at least some rugby being played. St Jacques Vikings also have a game later in the day against a Douglas development side per reports. 
 
There are also U14s-U18s games this Sunday in the IoM involving the Isle of Man and Guernsey Ccubs which I will be heading down to as it has been a long time since I have been able to watch a game at any level live with a beer in hand.
 
I do agree with Fudgepacker and I cannot see, that apart from some local interclub games in the Island, I am going to see any league rugby this year at the lower levels. That is a lot of excuses I need to find for avoiding shopping with the wife or doing bits around the house on a Saturday afternoon. 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 22:15
So quarantine all of N2S on Guernsey and have them play all the matches there. Might drink the island dry of all their Liberation ale but at least we'd get a league going! LOL


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 18:30
The worrying thing (ok another worrying thing) is that if the leagues do restart what happens if and when we have another wave and a national or most likely local lockdowns? Will we have another truncated season like the last one?  


Posted By: Exiled in Mann
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 22:53
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

The worrying thing (ok another worrying thing) is that if the leagues do restart what happens if and when we have another wave and a national or most likely local lockdowns? Will we have another truncated season like the last one?  
 
Local lockdowns are the worst scenario as a club could have some players free to play and others not. Or some teams in a league could be allowed to play and others not. Hopefully we will get some Rugby in post Christmas but I think it should be on a "friendly" basis with no relegation/promotion this season 


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 08:26
EinM, not sure how much your finger on pulse you have but I feel I need to mention a couple of points.
 
Firstly, Douglas have stated that the withdrawal of Travel Funding will leave them  short by a tune of circa £40K should they have to complete a full season so maybe a half-season or less will suit them but won't make the problem go away. Secondly the other IoM Clubs will be playing each other I guess as none of them appeared in the RFU League structure for 20/21.
 
Furthermore there might not be much in the way of relegation from the RFU Leagues for 21/22 but I think its planned to move up a majority of clubs irrespective if they finished 1st or 5th/6th in whatever league they are in.


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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 13:20
Originally posted by Exiled in Mann Exiled in Mann wrote:

There is some community rugby going ahead as both Guernsey & the Isle of Man are presently free of Covid 19 having had closed borders and travel bans. Guernsey Raiders are therefore playing Douglas from the Isle of Man on Saturday the 15th in what might possibly be the first interclub game of rugby played at the community level in the northern hemisphere post Covid 19.
 
Should be a comfortable win for Guernsey as they are two leagues higher and at home but it is good to see at least some rugby being played. St Jacques Vikings also have a game later in the day against a Douglas development side per reports. 
 
There are also U14s-U18s games this Sunday in the IoM involving the Isle of Man and Guernsey Ccubs which I will be heading down to as it has been a long time since I have been able to watch a game at any level live with a beer in hand.
 
I do agree with Fudgepacker and I cannot see, that apart from some local interclub games in the Island, I am going to see any league rugby this year at the lower levels. That is a lot of excuses I need to find for avoiding shopping with the wife or doing bits around the house on a Saturday afternoon. 
 
 
 
 

Are there directs flights between the two islands?

And regardless what an absolute ridiculous waste of money to play these games in August when who are you all going to play next.

Why do U’14s need to travel on this trip to play a game?  I for one simply don’t see the need or any justification


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 14:17
Originally posted by Exiled in Mann Exiled in Mann wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

The worrying thing (ok another worrying thing) is that if the leagues do restart what happens if and when we have another wave and a national or most likely local lockdowns? Will we have another truncated season like the last one?  
 
Local lockdowns are the worst scenario as a club could have some players free to play and others not. Or some teams in a league could be allowed to play and others not. Hopefully we will get some Rugby in post Christmas but I think it should be on a "friendly" basis with no relegation/promotion this season 

Another idea I have heard circulated is that if and when rugby resumes next season there is no promotion and relegation but the games are carried forward to the following season. So if we have a 15 league game season in 20/21 those games are carried forward so we have promotion and relegation at the end of 21/22 based on 45 games. This would make any games played next season meaningful and would also allow time for any games postponed due to lockdowns to be rescheduled. Not quite sure if I am in favour but it's an interesting idea. 


Posted By: Exiled in Mann
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 21:32
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Are there directs flights between the two islands?
 
And regardless what an absolute ridiculous waste of money to play these games in August when who are you all going to play next.
 
Why do U’14s need to travel on this trip to play a game?  I for one simply don’t see the need or any justification
 
There are presently direct flights. Both Islands have been Covid free for a couple of months but with restrictions on travel on and off the Islands. Presently only residents, unless they are essential workers can travel back to the IoM and they then have to self isolate for 14 days. The only exception is if from the IoM you go to Guernsey. It was therefore decided to put on flights between the two Islands so people could have a break if they wished without having to isolate for 14 days on return. There are only a few flights a week and they quickly sold out.
 
Why do U'14s need to come to the IoM this week end to play a game. Well why do the U'15s, U16's etc.? Why go on tour as adults, why play rugby at all. Probably because they enjoy it and it gives them a chance to play somebody different.  


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 21:42
Originally posted by Exiled in Mann Exiled in Mann wrote:

Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Are there directs flights between the two islands?
 
And regardless what an absolute ridiculous waste of money to play these games in August when who are you all going to play next.
 
Why do U’14s need to travel on this trip to play a game?  I for one simply don’t see the need or any justification
 
There are presently direct flights. Both Islands have been Covid free for a couple of months but with restrictions on travel on and off the Islands. Presently only residents, unless they are essential workers can travel back to the IoM and they then have to self isolate for 14 days. The only exception is if from the IoM you go to Guernsey. It was therefore decided to put on flights between the two Islands so people could have a break if they wished without having to isolate for 14 days on return. There are only a few flights a week and they quickly sold out.
 
Why do U'14s need to come to the IoM this week end to play a game. Well why do the U'15s, U16's etc.? Why go on tour as adults, why play rugby at all. Probably because they enjoy it and it gives them a chance to play somebody different.  
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Posted By: Exiled in Mann
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 21:47
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

EinM, not sure how much your finger on pulse you have but I feel I need to mention a couple of points.
 
Firstly, Douglas have stated that the withdrawal of Travel Funding will leave them  short by a tune of circa £40K should they have to complete a full season so maybe a half-season or less will suit them but won't make the problem go away. Secondly the other IoM Clubs will be playing each other I guess as none of them appeared in the RFU League structure for 20/21.
 
Furthermore there might not be much in the way of relegation from the RFU Leagues for 21/22 but I think its planned to move up a majority of clubs irrespective if they finished 1st or 5th/6th in whatever league they are in.
 
I am aware of what is going on but did not want to derail the topic. Pre Covid only Douglas of the men's side would have been in the RFU league structure in 20/21 as the rest of the IoM clubs are effectively at to low a level to be in the RFU leagues due to the number in the separate Lancashire Cheshire leagues. Additionally Douglas are probably the only IoM club who can raise the required funding to meet the increased contribution the RFU demand year on year.
 
I am not sure Douglas could meet the £40k travel costs this year as their big money spinner is running a campsite during the TT and that was cancelled this year. It is probably irrelevant as back on topic I cannot see any games pre the New Year and even if there are whether the flight restrictions between the IoM and the UK are eased enough to allow travel and if it is airlines start operating a Saturday flight schedule that makes getting to and from games in the UK is doubtful. Guernsey are in a better position as their Government has its own airline.
 
Back on topic. What will happen in 2021/22 is any bodies guess. I am sure that this season for many junior clubs if there are no meaningful games it will be difficult to keep players motivated and not drifting off to other sports that are being played. The hope is that they then come back.


Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 07:07
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/return-to-community-rugby-update" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/return-to-community-rugby-update


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 07:18
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/return-to-community-rugby-update" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/return-to-community-rugby-update

Finally. Some good news. 


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 07:35
I was just going to post that! Aren’t we sad being up this early reading emails from the RFU?


Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 11:32
Kids up at 0600 Halliford!


Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 12:28
Originally posted by Fudgepacker Fudgepacker wrote:

It will be January 2021 at the earliest. Probably now more likely September 2021. That's been blindingly obvious for months.


I hope supporters are allowed back as well.



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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2020 at 17:12
I know some clubs are saying December. The sooner they get the vaccine out, the better we can end this nonsense and get back to the sport we love.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 08:16
Last Sunday there was a Super League match between Salford and Hull FC (That's Rugby League to you southerners!). BBC News is reporting that after the match, 6 Hull FC Players and 2 Coaching Staff tested positive for Covid-19. They are now enforcing quarantine etc.
I assume that none of the 8 involved were unwell or showed any symptoms prior to the match as they would not have been playing. I assume that the players will also have been previously tested as 'negative' in training and in the days prior to the match. I aslo don't think this was a reason for Hull's heavy defeat.
 
I think this is an example of the probability that many of us may be carrying the virus but not be affected at all, much in the same way that we may carry a cold or flu but not feel unwell.
Now that we are having more testing generally, more cases are being found, as you would expect with more testing but, what they don't say is that those being tested and found positive are not feeling unwell or showing symptoms.
Is this not evidence that testing, quarantine and lockdown measures do not work at all? It may be evidence that unless we are all tested, on a daily basis, we will never be certain of anything, and that will not happen.
Could be that the restrictions are pointless and we should just get on with life?


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 13:19
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:


Last Sunday there was a Super League match between Salford and Hull FC (That's Rugby League to you southerners!). BBC News is reporting that after the match, 6 Hull FC Players and 2 Coaching Staff tested positive for Covid-19. They are now enforcing quarantine etc.
I assume that none of the 8 involved were unwell or showed any symptoms prior to the match as they would not have been playing. I assume that the players will also have been previously tested as 'negative' in training and in the days prior to the match. I aslo don't think this was a reason for Hull's heavy defeat.
 
I think this is an example of the probability that many of us may be carrying the virus but not be affected at all, much in the same way that we may carry a cold or flu but not feel unwell.
Now that we are having more testing generally, more cases are being found, as you would expect with more testing but, what they don't say is that those being tested and found positive are not feeling unwell or showing symptoms.
Is this not evidence that testing, quarantine and lockdown measures do not work at all? It may be evidence that unless we are all tested, on a daily basis, we will never be certain of anything, and that will not happen.
Could be that the restrictions are pointless and we should just get on with life?





I have never been tested, nor has my wife. My mother was admitted to hospital yesterday and was tested on arrival.

My wife and I could get a test as we are key workers, but what would it prove - just at that point of time we did/didn't have the virus.

More important to me is whether I have had the virus or not. Until this test is widely available or a vaccine is widely available we are in the Unknown.

As for everyone being tested daily - logistically this could never happen, but monthly would be a start.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 13:34
At this point C1-19 is killing fewer people than 'flu which we have lived with for years.
There was a big risk three or four months ago that it would be significantly worse ad overwhelm the health services.
Also it it exteremely age related - the risk of serious illness and death go up more steeply with age that all other cuases of death.

it does nto look like it is going away - and it is likely more novel viruses will follow.

If we cannot find a way to have competitive sport with an audience this winter - we may never have competitive sport again.



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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 13:56
Local News suggests that one Hull FC player went to the Hospital with his new born child a day or two before the match and unknowingly came away with the virus. The player went in for physio etc prior to the match and passed on the virus. No news of anyone having any symptoms or feeling unwell.
This could happen to anyone at any time.

The risk in overwhelming the NHS with new cases is Governments big worry. Previous experience has proved that isolating a virus in a General Hospital is very difficult. So, why are Covid patients still being admitted to General Hospitals and not in isolation in one of the many 'Nightingale' or special Units that have been set up? 

How can we start Rugby again if any Player who has to visit a Hospital, for any reason, will then have to quarantine for 10 days, just to be on the safe side. 





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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 15:54
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Local News suggests that one Hull FC player went to the Hospital with his new born child a day or two before the match and unknowingly came away with the virus. The player went in for physio etc prior to the match and passed on the virus. No news of anyone having any symptoms or feeling unwell.
This could happen to anyone at any time.

The risk in overwhelming the NHS with new cases is Governments big worry. Previous experience has proved that isolating a virus in a General Hospital is very difficult. So, why are Covid patients still being admitted to General Hospitals and not in isolation in one of the many 'Nightingale' or special Units that have been set up? 

How can we start Rugby again if any Player who has to visit a Hospital, for any reason, will then have to quarantine for 10 days, just to be on the safe side. 





Assuming the reports are correct, it is very worrying.

I totally agree with you regarding the use of Nightingales for Covid, leaving existing hospitals for normal use

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Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 18:14
I had Covid in March, and am now on a 20 year programme of testing with the NHS following an antibody test that showed I still have strong antibodies 5 months later. I isolated as prescribed when it happened, though wasn't tested at the time cos the 2 main symptoms reported back then were problems breathing and a cough, which I did not have - I  have not had a day off work ill in a decade, but this virus gave me

- a constant, blinding headache
- upset stomach
- loss of appetite
- tight chest
- alternate fever and chills
- chronically aching kidneys so bad I couldn't sit down
- utter exhaustion so I was falling asleep during the day
- severe cramp all over my body
- total loss of taste and smell for a month or so

The worst of this was over in around 10 days, but I would not want to suffer this again. Flu bares no comparison to Covid 19, and I think our best chance of a full return to action is a vaccine, which may take out the whole season. At best, I cannot see us safely returning before 2021 - I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2020 at 22:38
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

I had Covid in March, and am now on a 20 year programme of testing with the NHS following an antibody test that showed I still have strong antibodies 5 months later. I isolated as prescribed when it happened, though wasn't tested at the time cos the 2 main symptoms reported back then were problems breathing and a cough, which I did not have - I  have not had a day off work ill in a decade, but this virus gave me

- a constant, blinding headache
- upset stomach
- loss of appetite
- tight chest
- alternate fever and chills
- chronically aching kidneys so bad I couldn't sit down
- utter exhaustion so I was falling asleep during the day
- severe cramp all over my body
- total loss of taste and smell for a month or so

The worst of this was over in around 10 days, but I would not want to suffer this again. Flu bares no comparison to Covid 19, and I think our best chance of a full return to action is a vaccine, which may take out the whole season. At best, I cannot see us safely returning before 2021 - I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
Dickon, hope you are ok now.
You say you were not tested and you provide a list of the issues you suffered through having this virus.
The Hull players who tested positive after the match probably had none of the problems you had when tested and, none before and during the match as they would not have been fit enough to take the field and play.
This really does cloud the issue further as a positive Covid test appears to be no guarantee of feeling/being ill. 
I agree with you that we will probably not play until 2021 but still hoping for a November start.



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2020 at 17:32
Well Cambridge pre-season got off to a poor start losing to the 3rds.

The 1st XV batted first and scored 136 and the thirds led by Stef chased it down with two balls to spare.
Hopefully we can play some rugby soon. 


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 16:09
http://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/nca-clubs-feedback-their-thoughts-regarding-return-to-play/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/nca-clubs-feedback-their-thoughts-regarding-return-to-play/



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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 19:41
Read that news and it’s good to see that most clubs are of the same thoughts

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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 07:22
Seems like a sensible weighted approach - I think that 15 matches should be suitable to weigh up performance for promotion / relegation for the one season only though. And if you could get matches over the Christmas / New Year I think the gates would benefit somewhat too.

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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 09:20
15 matches is not a good idea especially if you have 8 away and 7 home and the matches away are the hardest in the league.



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 11:35
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

15 matches is not a good idea especially if you have 8 away and 7 home and the matches away are the hardest in the league.



Or your away games are the majority of the longer distance ones.

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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:10
We lived with it for the first ten years of league rugby, and everyone accepted the outcome.  I'd rather have a truncated season than nothing at all.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 12:46
Will Leeds be able to put a side out.
If they pull out you might get 6 home games - though there would be one less relegation spot.
Even so I expect it to be four down - so p9ossibly three pus Leeds.



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Posted By: Keppeltitan
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 13:58
If it goes to a reduced season will there be any relegation?


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 14:05
That was the discussion, should we hold station and treat this season as organised freindlies or should this season count. 

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Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 10:04
I was speaking to a lad from Newcastle Uni yesterday as he and his friends were doing some fitness on the club pitches. They seem adamant that the Unis are playing again in January. 

Do they know something we don’t? Will the Unis pay for testing at BUCS Super League level?

Or are they just being optimistic that their season will still start in January?


Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 11:10
There is no guarantee anyone will be playing matches in January. They may well be doing rugby training. Universities are all in a very challenging financial position-i cannot see anyway they will pay for tests. More likely that when a newer test emerges over the next couple of months that is quicker than currently available and cheaper (Prem clubs being charged £100 per test at moment), say around £10, players will be asked to pay for the test themselves - same price as 3 beers at the union bar.


Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 11:39
Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!




Posted By: Paul Rogan
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 12:17
Sail By, I agree with you up to a point, but what happens when these young healthy lads come into contact with their parents or grandparents - who potentially aren't so healthy and pass the virus on to them??


Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 12:27
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!



Everyone seems to be focussed solely on the death metric. The long term impact of having covid-19 has not been studied and having had it myself, I can tell you that, although I'm clearly alive, the breathing issues that came along with it lasted weeks after I'd recovered and even now (3-4 months on) I often find myself short of breath doing simple exercise.


Posted By: MikeGC
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 13:00
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!




not sure on this

It seems playing rugby with or against someone infected but asymptomatic is a pretty decent way to be sure you'll get it too, in my humble opinion.
So, fine, they won't die they might be asymptomatic themselves.
But look at the wider, community, picture.
Do they avoid going home where they might infect a parent or grandparent, immunocompromised cousin or baby niece/nephew ? And how long ? 14 days after the last match of the season ?

Far too many variables


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 14:44
Given that the RFU are being bombarded with requests to "move on" as a lot of the armchair medical "experts" think CV-19 isn't as big as made out and "all the other sports are back...." wouldn't surprise me that on the 2nd October we'll be moving to Stage E with the hope of moving to Stage F sometime toward the end of November. Given that the R figure is going up alarmingly in some areas and nationally the trend is ever so slightly upward can someone explain the logic because I can't quite get my head around it. 

At the moment not playing is bad for the game, returning to play without fully understanding the implications could be worse for the game.


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Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 15:01
"Arm chair medics" or professional people looking at stats and not relying on the negativity of our media?

I have a son who plays who is raring to go but then appreciates that he will have to be careful with us as his parents and more importantly his grandparents, but to be fair that is our responsibility to take on.

Look around as this virus is spreading like wildfire and rugby isn't going to make much difference....in my "Arm chair medic" view.Wink


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 19:27
There seem to me to be an awful lot of professional people who are looking at the statistics and not relying on the negativity of our media who are advising extreme caution regarding returning to rugby.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 19:38
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!




Article yesterday stated vaccines only likely for next winter - or in other words at least a year away.

I cannot see Rugby restarting unless a cheap, accurate and speedy test appears - need something that can be done on a Friday night and result is available within half an hour.



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Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 09:15
Just finished reading this thread and went in to BBC news regarding new measures in the North East. Below is a cut and paste of part of that article. 

"The evidence we've found from local testing is that it's spreading in three main areas: in pubs, in people's homes and in grassroots sports," he said.




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Posted By: Arch Angel
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 11:14
"The evidence we've found from local testing is that it's spreading in three main areas: in pubs, in people's homes and in grassroots sports," .apart from working (if allowed/able to) what else do we do???

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 11:30
Given the current prevalence - which is is 1 i a thousand in the spikes under local lock down and much lower elsewhere - it is quite likely that no National 1 player or coach has C-19. But on the other hand, they might.

What is quite liekly is that it will become endemic - if it has not done so already - and these rates could persist for many years.

If we do not learn how to deal with it, then we may never have grass roots rugby, and of course that would mean eventually no elite rugby.

This may mean looking at speeding up the scrum.
My preference would be to have the referee give a free kick (that cannot be taken as a scrum) immediately if any front row dows not crouch correctly, and a penalty if they do not bind correctly. Then on set the scrum haldf has to put the bell in immediately.

Not onl do we reduce the C-19 risk, we would get rid of the time wasted on setting scrums.



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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 11:41
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Given the current prevalence - which is is 1 i a thousand in the spikes under local lock down and much lower elsewhere - it is quite likely that no National 1 player or coach has C-19. But on the other hand, they might.

What is quite liekly is that it will become endemic - if it has not done so already - and these rates could persist for many years.

If we do not learn how to deal with it, then we may never have grass roots rugby, and of course that would mean eventually no elite rugby.

This may mean looking at speeding up the scrum.
My preference would be to have the referee give a free kick (that cannot be taken as a scrum) immediately if any front row dows not crouch correctly, and a penalty if they do not bind correctly. Then on set the scrum haldf has to put the bell in immediately.

Not onl do we reduce the C-19 risk, we would get rid of the time wasted on setting scrums.



Ever since the referee took control of the scrum (supposedly for safety) the area has been a mess. Some referees seem to delight in slowing it down as much as possible, as if they are enticing one side or both to infringe.

Abolishing resets might focus the packs, with a free-kick to the offending side with no resets as you suggest.

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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 12:54
Camquin and Raider - I nominate you gentlemen to be our representatives in the common sense committee. Those suggestions would resolve a lot of the issues very quickly and speed up the game significantly.

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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 15:16
CQ whilst i applaud your reasoning this would lead to packs who are getting stuffed in the scrum opting deliberately for a free kick or penalty against them rather than being driven backwards/constantly fatigued first before the inevitable penalty is awarded


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 15:23
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

CQ whilst i applaud your reasoning this would lead to packs who are getting stuffed in the scrum opting deliberately for a free kick or penalty against them rather than being driven backwards/constantly fatigued first before the inevitable penalty is awarded


Why would anyone want to watch 16 players and a ref dominate the game with endless time consuming scrum resets?

I watched a Mitre Cup game the other day where they ran down half a sin bin in this method.

Minimise the scrums, let's see the ball thrown around and some excitement.

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Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 16:56
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

CQ whilst i applaud your reasoning this would lead to packs who are getting stuffed in the scrum opting deliberately for a free kick or penalty against them rather than being driven backwards/constantly fatigued first before the inevitable penalty is awarded


Why would anyone want to watch 16 players and a ref dominate the game with endless time consuming scrum resets?

I watched a Mitre Cup game the other day where they ran down half a sin bin in this method.

Minimise the scrums, let's see the ball thrown around and some excitement.

I would quite happily watch 80 minutes of decent scrummaging, backs only knock on when they get the ball anyway


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 09:52
There was a piece on the Today programme this morning with a chap from Moseley (whose name i failed to catch)  and Steve Grainger from RFU. Steve pointing out that they are waiting for a response from DCMS.


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Posted By: semisonic
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 10:11
It was Adam Balding, our DoR. Starts at about 2:50:00 in.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mlty" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mlty


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2020 at 07:00
So apparently the RFU Council have been told that following a plethora of complaints/pleas/requests from every single part of the game outside the Prem that if a restart wasn't forthcoming it would have multiple negative effects. Therefore the  DCMS have been "pushed" to allow the game to go to Stage E at the start of October with Stage F lined up for a November restart.

However due to the fact that about 40% of the country our now in increased infection areas that hope of DCMS Green lighting anything looks like being punted back down field. I still stick with my 2021 prediction before we see some "normal" rugby and even then I'm not sure when in 2021!


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Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2020 at 17:29
The RFU council are correct in pushing on.
These young men need to play or our game will be lost.

The majority of contributors on this site will be like me, past playing and only wishing we could don the boots once again. It is up to us to look after ourselves whilst watching our beautiful game.

Yes the players will have to be careful with interaction with their families but that is a small price to pay to keep the game alive.


Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2020 at 15:53
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

The RFU council are correct in pushing on.
These young men need to play or our game will be lost.

The majority of contributors on this site will be like me, past playing and only wishing we could don the boots once again. It is up to us to look after ourselves whilst watching our beautiful game.

Yes the players will have to be careful with interaction with their families but that is a small price to pay to keep the game alive.

You quite clearly have no understanding of what efforts go in to making sure a game goes ahead each weekend do you?


Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2020 at 17:07
Yes very much so, but I have a different opinion re the risk.

You may not agree with me, which is your right to disagree, but I really do wonder where you get your formed opinion of my knowledge?


Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 18:57
Worst case scenario?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54391167" rel="nofollow - Sale Sharks: Reports of 16 positive Covid-19 tests put final Premiership game in doubt



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 19:58
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Worst case scenario?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54391167" rel="nofollow - Sale Sharks: Reports of 16 positive Covid-19 tests put final Premiership game in doubt



I'm sure I read an article attributed to Exeter saying weekly testing should be abandoned as virtually all results were negative (to save the money)

because Sale played Northampton last their game at Gloucester is in doubt.

Could cost Sale their chance of a top 4 place as they will lose 0-20. It might be better for them to field whatever players they can and at least have a chance of winning?

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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 20:40
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 I'm sure I read an article attributed to Exeter saying weekly testing should be abandoned as virtually all results were negative (to save the money)

because Sale played Northampton last their game at Gloucester is in doubt.

Could cost Sale their chance of a top 4 place as they will lose 0-20. It might be better for them to field whatever players they can and at least have a chance of winning?

I guess that the positive tests are not all playing squad and that some will be their backroom/support staff.  So as long as Sale can muster the required front row specialists for the match day 23 they should still play.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:04
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 I'm sure I read an article attributed to Exeter saying weekly testing should be abandoned as virtually all results were negative (to save the money)

because Sale played Northampton last their game at Gloucester is in doubt.

Could cost Sale their chance of a top 4 place as they will lose 0-20. It might be better for them to field whatever players they can and at least have a chance of winning?


I guess that the positive tests are not all playing squad and that some will be their backroom/support staff.  So as long as Sale can muster the required front row specialists for the match day 23 they should still play.


The impression given was that most were players - however I see they are following my suggestion that they play as they have nothing to lose.

Interestingly their opponents, Worcester, -are querying whether the game should go ahead on safety grounds.

Could end up in a Sale 20-0 win (5 points)

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Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 12:01
To me this all makes the chance of a return to playing for teams below the Premiership Even more remote. 

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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 12:11
Is it a real shock. Manchester has been in special measures.

It takes one error, by one person and this is the outcome.

It was interesting hearing regional TV and the cost of private tests. To cover costs of regular tests, crowd safety measures, how much more would people pay to watch a match in person I wonder?


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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 17:32
Seems Prem Rugby making it up as they go along...again! Sale game postponed and now being played next Wednesday giving them extra time and they will know exactly what result they need. The leniency didn't extend to Northampton who have been refused the chance to bring in some loan front rows


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 17:41
I thought Northampton was permitted to bring in a loose head.



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Posted By: chas
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 18:01
No. 

Northampton, who https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54330274" rel="nofollow - have forfeited their game as a number of their players have to self-isolate.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54391167" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54391167





Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 18:03
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I thought Northampton was permitted to bring in a loose head.


The Northampton players in contact with any positive Sale players in their last match now have to self isolate. Obviously it's the front rows who have the most prolonged contact so Northampton are unable to field enough FR players.

In the Sale situation. I suspect that Worcester are not happy to play the fixture until they receive confirmation it's safe to play Sale. Presumably Sale could get a 23 out...but made up of many youth/reserve players


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 18:32
I was thinking of the other case where they had run out of front-row players for the cup.
It does mean Gloucester move ahead of Northampton who otherwise might have caught Quins.

Not sure how Sale will be able to raise a team by Wednesday - surely all their players will either be positive or contacts.

What I cannot remember is how many sides qualify for Europe Champions Cup next year.

If it is only six then it probably does not matter. If it is seven then it is crucial - and I would expect Saints to appeal.


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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 19:22
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I was thinking of the other case where they had run out of front-row players for the cup.
It does mean Gloucester move ahead of Northampton who otherwise might have caught Quins.

Not sure how Sale will be able to raise a team by Wednesday - surely all their players will either be positive or contacts.

What I cannot remember is how many sides qualify for Europe Champions Cup next year.

If it is only six then it probably does not matter. If it is seven then it is crucial - and I would expect Saints to appeal.

It is the top 8 from all the 3 leagues so I believe Northampton will still qualify, but it has deprived Worcester the potential chance to overtake Gloucester. 

But I'm still not entirely sure about the Sale game and why they are giving them extra time. If they have managed to scrape together a side then they should be playing tomorrow....but it looks like they might be trying to do some more testing before Wednesday. 


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 20:40
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I thought Northampton was permitted to bring in a loose head.

You can lend them one of yours, you seem to have registered 30 new players as well as a few on loan!


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 21:05
Well last season we conceded a number of 2nd XV games due to not having enough players to cover for injuries to the 1st XV - we have also lost a few players who have chosen to move on.

I think we now have about 50 on the books for the combined squad, we should have needed that many to keep two teams going.


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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 21:18
I have nothing against Cambridge, but my point is. 

For a club that puts out publicly it needs to raise £40k inside 3 months or go under in April. To which I contributed a little to the fund via the appeal.

Then the D of R spends all of the last 3 months signing players and agreeing loan deals and shouting about it, it really just sums up rugby and how very wrong people are getting it!




Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 23:15
As a Gloucester supporter, I would rather have seen the game played.

I suspect it would have been if 7 qualified for Europe, but as it is 8 there is nothing on the game.

As for why Sale have been given extra time - I have no idea, but would suggest the other relevant games should also take place on Wednesday, otherwise Sale gave a huge advantage.

Interestingly, would the prop Gloucester lent Northampton for last week's Euro game been allowed to pla?

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 00:06
Given they only had two fit loose heads he had to play against Sale - and both now have to isolate having had contact with the Sale players.

But without that I believe Alex and Emmanuel would have had to play against Gloucester and Alex would have come on for the last ten minutes - or that seems to be the pattern.


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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 11:38
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

As a Gloucester supporter, I would rather have seen the game played.

I suspect it would have been if 7 qualified for Europe, but as it is 8 there is nothing on the game.

I believe that had Northampton beaten Gloucester and Worcester got a bonus point win over Sale then Worcester would have pipped Gloucester to the eighth European place. All ifs, buts and maybes, but that's sport...


Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 13:17
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

As a Gloucester supporter, I would rather have seen the game played.

I suspect it would have been if 7 qualified for Europe, but as it is 8 there is nothing on the game.

As for why Sale have been given extra time - I have no idea, but would suggest the other relevant games should also take place on Wednesday, otherwise Sale gave a huge advantage.

Interestingly, would the prop Gloucester lent Northampton for last week's Euro game been allowed to pla?

Having read some further information it appears Sale were willing to play (presumably they must have been training in groups or no close contact between all) but understandably given the amount of reported cases at the club, both PRL and Worcester were not entirely comfortable about this. 

I suspect PRL have given them an extension to avoid a potential lawsuit from Sale. However I suspect if public health England are uncomfortable with any of this then the game might end up getting cancelled anyway.






Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 10:59
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Worst case scenario?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54391167" rel="nofollow - Sale Sharks: Reports of 16 positive Covid-19 tests put final Premiership game in doubt


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54373489" rel="nofollow - Premiership: Sale Sharks v Worcester Warriors off after eight more positive Covid-19 results

Six more Sharks players tested positive, total number of infections at the club 27.


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 12:32
So this has happened at Sale.

Yet the RFU are restarting Womens rugby at the weekend, with .. No testing just a temp test and are you feeling ok today?

Can somebody tell me how long they think its going last before at least 50% of the sides are shut down.

Total madness !!!

Whoever has made that call wants to make themselves totally accountable for what happens!!


Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 13:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54451277" rel="nofollow - Six Nations: 2021 tournament could be delayed to allow crowds

Allegedly to the end of March.


Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 14:41
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54451277" rel="nofollow - Six Nations: 2021 tournament could be delayed to allow crowds

Allegedly to the end of March.

Could prove messy with it also being a Lions tour in the summer, there's not going to be much wiggle room if the 6N is pushed back even further.

I think it's a real possibility that one or both tournaments will be played behind closed doors, or - dare I say it - pushed back to 2022 Confused

Here's hoping a vaccine is found, and soon.


Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 00:14
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 20:24
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds

Just goes to show what this government thinks of sport and fans in general.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 20:36
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds


Just goes to show what this government thinks of sport and fans in general.


They would do well to remember that the missing fans today are the voters of tomorrow.

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Posted By: Fly Half
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 10:17
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds


Just goes to show what this government thinks of sport and fans in general.


They would do well to remember that the missing fans today are the voters of tomorrow.


I assume you are not in favour of public health. Tell that to the families of those who have died. How many need to die so you can watch a game of rugby.

Any chance of you keeping your left wing propaganda off the pages of a rugby forum?


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 10:55
I love the fact that anyone who disagrees with - or even posts an opinion that isn't 100% aligned to - current government policy is spouting 'left-wing propaganda'.  What happened to letting other people have an opinion?


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 10:57
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

I love the fact that anyone who disagrees with - or even posts an opinion that isn't 100% aligned to - current government policy is spouting 'left-wing propaganda'.  What happened to letting other people have an opinion?

You have just beaten me to the same reply Mark  Isn't that what forums are all about


Posted By: Rucking Idiot
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 11:31
In today of all days we should all be thankful for the freedom of speech

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 11:43
Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds


Just goes to show what this government thinks of sport and fans in general.


They would do well to remember that the missing fans today are the voters of tomorrow.


I assume you are not in favour of public health. Tell that to the families of those who have died. How many need to die so you can watch a game of rugby.

Any chance of you keeping your left wing propaganda off the pages of a rugby forum?

There are so many things askew with that reply that it's difficult to get one's head around it.


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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 12:17
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds


Just goes to show what this government thinks of sport and fans in general.


They would do well to remember that the missing fans today are the voters of tomorrow.


I assume you are not in favour of public health. Tell that to the families of those who have died. How many need to die so you can watch a game of rugby.

Any chance of you keeping your left wing propaganda off the pages of a rugby forum?

There are so many things askew with that reply that it's difficult to get one's head around it.

Aaaah, assumptions. What you mean is making things up to suit your own agenda.

Gotcha.


Posted By: hills17
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 12:42
Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54881149" rel="nofollow - Crowds at sporting events: Government will not set roadmap for fans returning to grounds


Just goes to show what this government thinks of sport and fans in general.


They would do well to remember that the missing fans today are the voters of tomorrow.


I assume you are not in favour of public health. Tell that to the families of those who have died. How many need to die so you can watch a game of rugby.

Any chance of you keeping your left wing propaganda off the pages of a rugby forum?

There are so many things askew with that reply that it's difficult to get one's head around it.

Aaaah, assumptions. What you mean is making things up to suit your own agenda.

Gotcha.

Yea sad assumptions made based on a message.
I miss rugby and when it is safe it will be great to get back to it. Follow non league football too so seen people can return. Sat in my home rugby ground many times and away ones, distancing could be achieved etc. Like they say though it’s the travelling to and from, again stagger travel etc can work, did it myself the other week made sure I left early to try and beat any holiday crowds as well as soak up atmosphere.

Have to have the old faith (as in whatever happens we can’t decide) that whatever is being decided now is based on public health in general and if they feel sporting events could affect that then off course we have to wait. I know someone who can’t play in a band at the moment too and hasn’t since March like rugby due to guidelines. It’s at what point do these things become safe, people said on here rugby wouldn’t return until a vaccine, hope now?

I’ve gone on the basis/ fact probably better word since lockdown in March that rugby is one of the most contactable sports out there so understood why it’s not been played despite it definitely being more than a game of rugby. Catching the bus to my club would feel safe masked etc and don’t feel it would be a mass gathering given the frequency of buses and out of the support base not sure how many use the bus but all places/ clubs different off course. From what I’ve seen of rugby it’s a bubble in itself with respectable people. Has to be for us as our away games take up Saturday anyway if not weekends. Many hours on the coach.

Definitely an interesting one, it’s nice to now be in November, 2021 mentioned originally for no rugby, almost there.



Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 19:26
Hills17 - I'm not sure if you have chosen your words unwisely? It's not "respectable" people we need to get out of this mess it's "responsible" people, sadly the two don't always go together. When we sit in front of our TV's watching throngs of people "revelling" and climbing over one another on the eve of lock downs or going into a higher tier, believing they are invincible or that Covid will have a night off, do we honestly believe that there are no "respectable rugby folk" joining in with those activities. Personally I can't think of a sport less suited to resumption than rugby, league and Union, and the sooner we acknowledge that the better and pray for a proper restart in September 2021.
Whilst we have conspiracy theorists, together with the pig ignorant and the "nobody's locking me down" contingent this virus will never be beaten.
The government know that and by their own admission are merely putting measures in place to prevent our marvellous NHS bring overrun.
Wait, do what your government is asking and please be responsible rather than respectable



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 20:43
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Hills17 - I'm not sure if you have chosen your words unwisely? It's not "respectable" people we need to get out of this mess it's "responsible" people, sadly the two don't always go together. When we sit in front of our TV's watching throngs of people "revelling" and climbing over one another on the eve of lock downs or going into a higher tier, believing they are invincible or that Covid will have a night off, do we honestly believe that there are no "respectable rugby folk" joining in with those activities. Personally I can't think of a sport less suited to resumption than rugby, league and Union, and the sooner we acknowledge that the better and pray for a proper restart in September 2021.
Whilst we have conspiracy theorists, together with the pig ignorant and the "nobody's locking me down" contingent this virus will never be beaten.
The government know that and by their own admission are merely putting measures in place to prevent our marvellous NHS bring overrun.
Wait, do what your government is asking and please be responsible rather than respectable



Totally agree.

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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2020 at 09:17
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