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Topic: Leeds update
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Subject: Leeds update
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 22:40
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Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 08:38
Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 09:04
Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 
I'm not greatly in favour, especially when it replaces an established nickname that just wasn't part of a club's name.  RL has seen a proliferation of these, withe Widnes becoming Vikings rather than the Chemics, and Warrington are now Wolves rather than the historic Wire.  Happily Hull FC dropped the "Sharks" moniker.

But funnily enough, I was reminded of this sort of thing this morning.  On FB, I belong to a group centred on the small town I grew up in, which is Sedgley, about halfway between Dudley and Wolverhampton.  Someone posted a "buy this" in here, for a hoodie - the motif being that of Sedgley Tigers.  Nice guess, but the Tigers are really Sedgley Park, from Whitefield in Bury, many miles away.  I've seen the Tigers when they've come to play at Mose, of course, in those days they called themselves Sedgley Park, and "Tigers" was just the informal nickname.  Adopting it as their team name has now caused unnecessary geographical confusion.  And, to finish the story, the Sedgley with the DY3 postcode doesn't have a rugby team anyway.


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Posted By: Camp Freddie
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 09:10
I've lost track of whats going on in that neck of the woods but would love to know where all the monies gone.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 09:43
Was there ever any money - I thought the reason for the merger was one of the clubs was bust and the other had no players - so it was merge or die for the pair.

And if we are talking name changs Newcastle was originally Gosforth.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 10:23
Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 12:22
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

Although AIUI West Park have since then put out a statement that it's all still being worked on, which suggests someone may have jumped the gun, especially given Otley were supposed to be sharing with West Park...


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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 13:27
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

While there is definitely a huge emphasis on these 'nicknames' for marketing in a financial sense, it is also marketing as a tool to get and keep kids involved. A club like Sale fighting for people to watch them against all the nearby football/rugby league alternatives. To adults a human dressed up in a shark costume may not grab the attention, but it does for youngsters


Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 14:38
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Reverting to ‘original name’ Leeds Tykes. 

When can I start calling them Headingley? 
Wink

All jokes 
 aside since Headingley and Roundhay merged the club has been known as Leeds, Leeds Tykes, Leeds Carnegie, Yorkshire Carnegie and Leeds Tykes (again). What a mess!

On this note, what are people’s views on the way some rugby clubs add an extra word to the club name? I’ve never understood why Newcastle added Falcons or Sale with Sharks. I understand the historical association with Leicester and Tigers but generally I think it’s an awful Americanism we’ve brought over. 


I think the Premiership have encouraged these 'nicknames' as a marketing ploy.

I see Leeds are moving their training base to West Park Leeds, but are clinging to the hope that they will still play at least some games at Headingley (Rl ground - there is a tie up at board level between Rhinos and Tykes)

Although AIUI West Park have since then put out a statement that it's all still being worked on, which suggests someone may have jumped the gun, especially given Otley were supposed to be sharing with West Park...
Otley?  Why?   Are they redeveloping Cross Green or something?


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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 14:48
they were supposed to be leaving cross green and locating just down the road to a new ground behind the garden centre


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 16:04
I believe they are at Cross Green with Grovians this season. 

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Posted By: Novocastrian
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 16:14
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Was there ever any money - I thought the reason for the merger was one of the clubs was bust and the other had no players - so it was merge or die for the pair.

And if we are talking name changs Newcastle was originally Gosforth.

Oh yes. If you weren’t in the know on such matters, you’d be forgiven for thinking Newcastle Falcons have always been called that. There’s rarely much mention of the club’s origins and history. People under the age of 25 may wonder why one of the stands has green and white seats.

Recently I had to pull the club up on the fact that they were rejoicing that their women’s team played their inaugural fixture this year. I told them they used to have a Ladies team from the late 80s until the early 90s - but was dismissed that was in the ‘Newcastle Gosforth’ days. Surely it’s the same club?! Or can they not be bothered to research their own history if it was pre 1995?

I understand the need to market a club (hence name changes to Leeds/Newcastle etc) but I don’t believe adding an animal to the end of the name endears it to kids so much that they’ll attend a game. 

The Sedgley point is interesting. More and more clubs at grassroots level have changed their names in recent years. I’m yet to see it make a difference...


Posted By: SKalpy
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 16:36
Sedgley have been known as the Tigers since the club was formed in 1932, something to do with the shirts they wore at the time. It did help with marketing the club in the rise up the leagues and certainly for the 5 years they spent at Level 2.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 18:04
Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Was there ever any money - I thought the reason for the merger was one of the clubs was bust and the other had no players - so it was merge or die for the pair.

And if we are talking name changs Newcastle was originally Gosforth.


The Sedgley point is interesting. More and more clubs at grassroots level have changed their names in recent years. I’m yet to see it make a difference...

So true. It's quite common all this pointless renaming here in the south east. We have Aylesford Bulls, Southend Saxons, London Irish Amateur calling themselves Wild Geese, Guernsey Raiders, Jersey Reds and of course the Civil Service can't decide if they're CS Rugby or CS Stags 1863 to name but a few. 


Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 10:11
Preston Grasshoppers have been so named since their formation in 1869, although there was a proposal to change it to Preston Football Club a few years later, thankfully this was out voted.

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 12:02
Ever since Esher were formed our 2nd XV has been called Cardinals, our 3rd XV Abbots and our 4th XV Priors.

London Irish Wild Geese has a strong case for accuracy, it was used in the 16th - 18th Centuries to describe Irish soldiers who went abroad to fight. 

In a poem written in 1913,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.B._Yeats" rel="nofollow -  would mourn:

Was it for this the Wild Geese spread
A grey wing on every tide…



Posted By: Truwblue
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 12:05
The nickname differentiates the 1st XV from the rest of the club. Not so long ago the first team were unsurprisingly known as the 'first team' Now you have an array of Lions,raiders,falcons, G Force(couldnt resist that one!) etc.
Some clubs have nicknames for their 2nd team as well to keep them different too!
Also sponsors quite often only interested in the top team so want to focus on them and no other team


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 14:13
Somebody also wants to inform the man from Leeds that they are playing in National 1 and not National 3 as he stated. Unless he knows something others don't!


Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2020 at 20:43
or he can see into the future


Posted By: turniphead
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 13:43
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

So true. It's quite common all this pointless renaming here in the south east. We have Aylesford Bulls, Southend Saxons, London Irish Amateur calling themselves Wild Geese, Guernsey Raiders, Jersey Reds and of course the Civil Service can't decide if they're CS Rugby or CS Stags 1863 to name but a few. 

A bit of trivia as to why Aylesford Bulls. The club was originally started in the http://thebullatlinton.co.uk/" rel="nofollow - Bull Inn in Linton  so there's a name with some history there. 


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 19:41
Plus they were originally Linton RFC and the bulls were added as mentioned above

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2020 at 10:33
I know the bulls are based within ten miles of Leeds but back to the matter in hand.

Will whatever Headingley are called actually manage to get a team of any sort out to fulfil their fixtures - if we have any - and if they do what standard is it likely to be?

When I say Leeds I of course mean the Castle.



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Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 09:53
This has been sent out today.  I am pleasantly surprised that we have any players, never mind 22.  The mechanics of overlaying another club on what is already a busy location remain to be made clear, but with no rugby likely in the near future I suppose they can save that for another day!

It has been a long time since we were able to connect with our followers on rugby matters, but there has been a lot going on in the background to rebuild. Enclosed in this newsletter is a summary of progress and more detail will unveiled as we move through the autumn months as we await the return to matches whenever that might be. 

AGREEMENT WITH WEST PARK LEEDS The superb facilities of West Park Leeds in Bramhope will be the Club’s new “home” it will provide the administrative base and training and medical facilities for the squad and match day venue for all home games bar one which, will be staged at Emerald Headingley Stadium. The agreement has been signed off today and Phil Davies commented “The forth coming season sees the re-set of Leeds Tykes and the move to West Park Leeds wonderful facilities is a crucial part of our future. We are looking to re-capture the spirit, camaraderie and work ethic of previous generations of Leeds Tykes players and supporters and West Park Leeds is the perfect place to successfully achieve our aims and ambitions. Huge thanks to all concerned at the club, from the President, Chairman, committee along with the club’s supporters we really look forward to being a positive influence at the club over the coming seasons.” West Park Leeds Chairman Graham Chadwick commented “We are delighted to welcome Leeds Tykes to the Sycamores to host their training and matches over the coming years. We have worked together closely in drawing up an agreement that will benefit the players, members and supporters of both clubs.” 

NAME CHANGE From Yorkshire Carnegie to Leeds Tykes! This has now been formalised with the RFU and the new website will be launched very soon together with other social media channels. 

CHANGES TO THE BOARD of DIRECTORS of LEEDS RUFC LTD By way of reminder, the Club is owned by the shareholders of Yorkshire Tykes Ltd (YTL) who have a Board of Directors, but this is a non-trading company simply focussed on raising shareholder funds to help fund the operating company Leeds RUFC. Chris Gibson who was the full time Managing Director of Leeds RUFC has stepped down after many years of service to the Club and Rob Oates and Suzanne Oakes (Company Secretary) have also resigned. I was the only Director to remain and I will now assume the Chief Executive responsibilities. Phil Davies has been appointed to the Board as Director of Rugby with overall responsibility for the entire rugby operation and Alistair Da Costa has taken over as Chairman, Alistair has served on the YTL Board for many years. And Mike Bidgood, who was involved in the formation of the Club returns as Company Secretary. Other appointments are likely to be made in due course. 

SERVICES AND MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH LEEDS RHINOS For the past 13 years Leeds Rhinos have provided a range of training and matchday facilities at Kirkstall and Headingley along with staff support and resource from Commercial Sales, Marketing, PR/Media, HR, ticketing and matchday etc, and this arrangement has now come to an end. The Rhinos organisation will continue to provide some support and help to promote fixtures and events at Emerald Headingley Stadium but essentially Leeds Tykes are now dependant on their own resource. 

RUGBY PARTNERSHIPS Phil Davies has concluded a ground-breaking partnership with both Leeds University and Leeds Beckett University. Both university rugby departments and staff will be closely aligned and integrated with Leeds Tykes who will provide opportunities for elite players and staff members.

RUGBY SQUAD AND STAFF STRUCTURE The staff roles will soon be finalised and 22 players have been contracted for this season, including 10 retained from last season’s squad. More details will be announced soon. 

BUDGET National League Clubs receive only £3,000 from the RFU and the club will be operating on a break even budget. And so the Club can only spend the same amount as it can generate and for next season this is forecast to be £320,000, of which the shareholders will collectively provide £125,000. So a great incentive to generate as much income as possible from members, sponsorships and special events. 

COMMERCIAL PLAN This responsibility rests with me and my focus will be to encourage everyone connected to the Club to contribute whatever they can and also actively encourage friends to offer support. I would like to hear from you if you feel you could help by contacting me at gary.hetherington@leedsrugby.com 

SUMMARY We are about to embark on a reset of the Club. The lofty ambitions of Premiership rugby are for another day and for now we have to create a culture and spirit reminiscent of the former Leeds Tykes days when Phil Davies and then Stuart Lancaster were at the helm. Phil is back and will provide energy, experience and direction and the Club is very dependent on its small but loyal band of stakeholders to embrace this new beginning and play an active role in its future. I trust this update is of interest and I hope to hear from you soon with any thoughts and suggestions you may have.


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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 10:43
Ok anyone else feeling a bit uneasy that a "club" mired in financial issues over the last few years have just confirmed they need a tad under £200K to "break even" and are asking sponsors and fans to offer "support". Out of interest I presume all the creditors of the previous regime have had whatever pittance they were due?

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 11:04
I struggle to see the logic of running two independent clubs out of the same complex, especially where one is struggling and presumably won't make that much, if anything, from bar revenue etc to cover thier overheads and will have to pay rent etc for use of the facilities. 

 


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Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 11:39
Presumably, the rent will be somewhat less than whatever the latest offer was for Headingley. 

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Posted By: RedPete
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 12:28
Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

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I'm not greatly in favour, especially when it replaces an established nickname that just wasn't part of a club's name.  RL has seen a proliferation of these, withe Widnes becoming Vikings rather than the Chemics, and Warrington are now Wolves rather than the historic Wire.  Happily Hull FC dropped the "Sharks" moniker...
And Leeds' nickname was the Loiners (and never the Rhinos)


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 17:15
If Leeds Tykes think they can fulfil a Nat 1 season with 22 players they are sadly deluded.

For a half season, I would imagine they would need around 30-35 players bearing in mind front-row requirements.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 19:29
I believe they intend filling in with Leeds Beckett students - who will be National 2 standard at best.
At least I hope they have 22 players plus the Leeds Beckett students.



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Posted By: greeneyed
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2020 at 10:13
If you want a shockingly bizarre name change for a club, look no further than Wharfedale, who were founded as 'Upper Wharfedale'. Just fancy that.


Posted By: Basher2
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2020 at 10:44
I hope not!! As this will impact the University team as they are in Super Bucs and the 2XV we’re promoted to the Premiership last year.
I just can’t see Leeds Beckett players playing Bucs on a Wednesday/Nat 1 on a Saturday it would be to much for those young players.
I could see it happening if league Rugby kicks off in November as I’m led to believe the Bucs doesn’t start while January.


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 16:57
Caldy go by the name of Caldy which is the name of the hamlet/village nearby where the club is located and also reflects the name of the school many of the 'Old Boys' went to Calday Grange GS.

However Caldy are known throughout the rugby fraternity as the 'Ravers' .....nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with the fact they really know how to party and enjoy themselves..........they will do that with gusto if this season ever starts


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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 18:53
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Caldy go by the name of Caldy which is the name of the hamlet/village nearby where the club is located and also reflects the name of the school many of the 'Old Boys' went to Calday Grange GS.

However Caldy are known throughout the rugby fraternity as the 'Ravers' .....nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with the fact they really know how to party and enjoy themselves..........they will do that with gusto if this season ever starts
What, on Pot Noodles?

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 20:18
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

However Caldy are known throughout the rugby fraternity as the 'Ravers' .....nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with the fact they really know how to party and enjoy themselves.

Seems to be a local tradition .........

CHAMPAGNE flowed as Caldy - the pride of Wirral cricket - lifted the Alliance and Leicester Giro National Village Championship for the second year running at Lord's on Sunday.


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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 17:21
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

However Caldy are known throughout the rugby fraternity as the 'Ravers' .....nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with the fact they really know how to party and enjoy themselves.

Seems to be a local tradition .........

CHAMPAGNE flowed as Caldy - the pride of Wirral cricket - lifted the Alliance and Leicester Giro National Village Championship for the second year running at Lord's on Sunday.

Caldy cricket club share a clubhouse/shack with Caldy Rugby Club and also make use of half of the 1st xv pitch for summer cricket..........they have had a decent side over the years..........they don;t spend much on grog though and nobody would ever call them the 'Ravers'


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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 14:05
don't mention that the Rugby lads defeated them at cricket a few weeks ago ,however the cricket turned them down on a return fixture as it was rugby .

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Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 17:27
Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

don't mention that the Rugby lads defeated them at cricket a few weeks ago ,however the cricket turned them down on a return fixture as it was rugby .

I hear that you turned the cricket section down on a “boat race” challenge, knowing you would most probably sink Wink


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