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Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:


Good luck to all the referees and their helpers today !!!


I could not agree more but lets extend thst good luck to the players aswell.

Yesterday, our ref and his assistants generally performed well but 'sir' made a couple of basic errors at the scrum i.e. your put in, ball is hooked, scrum solid with no one on top, ball at the No.8's feet about to be passed out and then the front rows collapse. Play on? We see this week in week out in the top 2 tiers. No problem, lets get on with it. The supporters need 'ball in play' time.
No, at tier 3 this was a full penalty against the team about to play the ball? Explanation from Ass Ref - we never allow the ball to leave a collapsed scrum. Really? I must be watching another game.
At the risk of upsetting Wigwam, I would say that here again we have an example of the laws being applied one way for the upper echelons and another way for us.

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Well, Big Eddie, I expect you found the ref's performance yesterday at Tynedale verging on the acceptable?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Elijah Cadman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 49 minutes ago at 09:54
Loving this conversation!  Some helpful and insightful comments.  Some of course, and they are clear, have little or no awareness of the investment that officials at this level and above put into their own ame and performance reviews.

I remain convinced the better officials will always make time to interact with club coaches and even occasionally some spectators (bigEd, Sid et al....)

Just to clarify a few points....
Its not referees who seek to cheat the laws, its the players.  Referees have to make a snap decision on the game impact.
Referees should always be making value judgments of what is happening around them, and whether or not he/she needs to intervene.  Sometimes its better to let things flow to speed up the game and have a word at the next opportune moment.
The better referees will travel home on their own and certainly reflect on what went well and what didnt.  Almost certainly they will make a phone call or two to others to discuss their game.
They will watch the game back, do a full review of every decision and non decision, and then with their coach (if they have one) discuss it all, often by the end of Monday night.
The reality is this year the coaches and assessors are less in number  than they have ever been, due to certain financial management decisions.  It is therefore even more important that the feedback from clubs goes to the Referees Department, so will then make decisions for fixtures based on this.

Personally i think age if not an issue, some of our best referees are young and keen.  The better ones will always appreciate a good dialogue about the game, provided that many of the spectators remember they are always going to have a 'biased eye'!  Let me give you a brief example.  I watched a young, very good referee yesterday.  He had a strong game!  Spectator next to me said the referee was having a shocker.  I said or why is that.  The response, he has no idea what he was doing!! I simply responded give me an example, he gave me three or four, I explained each decision (which I might add were actually correct) and suggested he enrol on a referee course so that he might know the games laws moving forward.

This is not the case of all spectators, but maybe just maybe gives an insight into a referees challenge?

Hope this helps.  I must confess I have always enjoyed the banter and interaction with coaches and spectators and find them informative :) 

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Originally posted by greeneyed greeneyed wrote:

Well, Big Eddie, I expect you found the ref's performance yesterday at Tynedale verging on the acceptable?
  And hopefully those big Tyndale forwards didn't try and bully those little lads from the Wirral.
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