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You're quite right about the current business model in which the stadium is a major source of income on non-match days. Of course, my argument is that they wouldn't have had the stadium without the capital obtained from a unique source. I also see that SW Comms have just renewed their sponsorship for the 25th year. How many clubs have had level of support and would they have had so much for so long without the connection between the two organisations? I hadn't realised before just how much infrastructure SW Comms provide to Exeter and I suspect that isn't on normal commercial terms. So, as I say Exeter is a tough model for others to follow.

As for Bristol, clearly the play-offs were hugely detrimental but as you say the current playing model worked last season (though if you saw the performance at Worcester you might not be so certain of that). Bristol were also helped by Leicester's fall and the reversion to type from Newcastle. Clearly on-field success feeds into a sustainable business model but one season of relative success doesn't mean things are secured for the medium of long term.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 10:54
I'd like to "buy a brick" or something similar to support the project is there an initiative of that kind ongoing? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote knightandday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 11:09
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

I'd like to "buy a brick" or something similar to support the project is there an initiative of that kind ongoing? 


I have several bricks for sale. You’ll have to pay the postage though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 11:12
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

I'd like to "buy a brick" or something similar to support the project is there an initiative of that kind ongoing? 
 
Ditto - I signed up online with Pirates to do so about a year ago, but I'm not finding the link via google at the moment.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 13:03
Originally posted by PlangentThrowback PlangentThrowback wrote:

? I hadn't realised before just how much infrastructure SW Comms provide to Exeter and I suspect that isn't on normal commercial terms.


Let's hope that isn't the case; HMRC take a dim view of any such arrangements these days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Joy of (Level) 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 13:24
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

Originally posted by PlangentThrowback PlangentThrowback wrote:

? I hadn't realised before just how much infrastructure SW Comms provide to Exeter and I suspect that isn't on normal commercial terms.


Let's hope that isn't the case; HMRC take a dim view of any such arrangements these days.


I think both parties receive adequate professional advice and act accordingly.

In any regard, I suspect HMRC would have no idea how much a “sponsorship package” was worth to the sponsor.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PlangentThrowback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 16:59
Actually HMRC did catch them out on a relatively small amount of sponsorship money.  I'm not sure that supplying IT and media services come under the same regime but, at the very least, I bet Exeter gets a very good deal from the main sponsor.  Which is just one reason why I think Exeter are a difficult template for success.
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I don’t know about the ‘Exeter model’ or the ‘Leicester model’ et al, all that I know is that the Cornish are nuts for their rugby (or just nuts in general).
I will never forget coming back from a long weekend with a load of mates from Newquay and changing at Par to get the 125 back to London, only to find the whole train literally rammed with Cornish rugby fans on their way to Twickenham for the county championship final. That was only 1 train of many and there were thousands and thousands of them. Now, I know that this was in about 1990, but that sort of passion just does not die out.
IMHO the S4C will be a huge success and good luck to them. Can’t wait to see it.
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Thank you Brizzer for the positive support. You will always be very welcome to Cornwall and the new Stadium.

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Great post Brizzer - rest assured that passion is still alive and well. Going to rugby and supporting your club or the Duchy team is one of the rare occasions where we can get together and celebrate our "Cornishness." You are right, we are a bit nuts, but we are also definitely not English and getting behind our team, and having a proper old sing song after the game is one way we can show that. 
20,000 Cornishmen will know the reason why!
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

I don’t know about the ‘Exeter model’ or the ‘Leicester model’ et al, all that I know is that the Cornish are nuts for their rugby (or just nuts in general).
I will never forget coming back from a long weekend with a load of mates from Newquay and changing at Par to get the 125 back to London, only to find the whole train literally rammed with Cornish rugby fans on their way to Twickenham for the county championship final. That was only 1 train of many and there were thousands and thousands of them. Now, I know that this was in about 1990, but that sort of passion just does not die out.
IMHO the S4C will be a huge success and good luck to them. Can’t wait to see it.

On a similar note, when I lived in St. Austell in the nineties, it was a case of "Last one out of Cornwall turn the lights out" when Cornwall reached the County Championship finals at Twickenham. Was it v Lancashire? memory is fading these days


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2019 at 15:49
Spot on - nobody is questioning the fact that Cornwall has passionate and committed fans but the debate surrounds the viability of the proposed stadium and the prospects for another Prem side in the SW.

Whatever the outcome it has been a reasoned and constructive debate demonstrating everything that is positive about this forum.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

I don’t know about the ‘Exeter model’ or the ‘Leicester model’ et al, all that I know is that the Cornish are nuts for their rugby (or just nuts in general).
I will never forget coming back from a long weekend with a load of mates from Newquay and changing at Par to get the 125 back to London, only to find the whole train literally rammed with Cornish rugby fans on their way to Twickenham for the county championship final. That was only 1 train of many and there were thousands and thousands of them. Now, I know that this was in about 1990, but that sort of passion just does not die out.
IMHO the S4C will be a huge success and good luck to them. Can’t wait to see it.

On a similar note, when I lived in St. Austell in the nineties, it was a case of "Last one out of Cornwall turn the lights out" when Cornwall reached the County Championship finals at Twickenham. Was it v Lancashire? memory is fading these days


Yorkshire, after extra time, in 1991. I remembered that much - one of my most enjoyable trips to 'HQ' even with no real link to the Duchy - but have refreshed my memory with some of the details via t'internet: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/13142015
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2019 at 09:41
Talking of Yorks I hope you are all following the Leeds/Y Carnegie saga on a separate thread.

If what you say is correct the RFU would be better off supporting Pirates although that doesn't work for them geographically.
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

Talking of Yorks I hope you are all following the Leeds/Y Carnegie saga on a separate thread.

If what you say is correct the RFU would be better off supporting Pirates although that doesn't work for them geographically.

Exeter is 90 miles (an hour and a half on a good day) from Truro and 110 from Penzance. Further than Leeds to Newcastle. So still a fair old geographical spread. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2019 at 10:42
To some extent it is not surprising tha the faw West and also the Far East have the longest drives to any major club. Great Yarmouth is equally remote - it is over 110 miles to Saracens - there nearest club.  It is a factor of population density.

If you were looking to have a goegraphic spread of teams, you would not have Bristol, Bath and Gloucester in the Premiership. But there is too much passion and history to change.

You might want a team in Birmingham - rather than ringing it with Worcester, Wasps (Cooventry) and Leicester - but probably in terms of travel time that works.

But the obvious area with population and no top team is West Yorkshire.



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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:



If you were looking to have a goegraphic spread of teams, you would not have Bristol, Bath and Gloucester in the Premiership. But there is too much passion and history to change.

You might want a team in Birmingham - rather than ringing it with Worcester, Wasps (Cooventry) and Leicester - but probably in terms of travel time that works.




 

first sentence I agree with - the RFU should have seized control at professionalism because with any ring-fenced league we've got the wrong teams in the wrong places at level 1 currently for any kind of national strategic plan to grown the game.

Second sentence is a bit different. There's plenty of rugby played in Birmingham, but the crowds at the top side (Moseley basically) have never been great.

Part of that will be down to the fact that crowds everywhere were not as good as they are now in amateur days (aside from derbies), and so no one's ever found out what a fully pro set-up in Birmingham playing in the top tier could achieve. OTOH, I do know anecdotally of people travelling to watch Worcester* or Wasps, but fundamentally suspect that most of Moseley's missing supporters aren't watching rugby anymore live.

*I'd love to know how many people that watch Worcester started their rugby supporting careers at the Reddings because I suspect it might be quite high. Fickle things people....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2019 at 11:22
Well we know at least on fan of the other code used to cycle from Worcester to Wolverhampton to watch games on a bike made in the town Wolerhampton not Worcester - a Royal Sunbeam.
Elgar even composed a special piece for the Wolves. 


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