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Originally posted by Not Will Webb Ellis Not Will Webb Ellis wrote:

Any news on this being resolved yet?
The divisions websites all say they can't say when it will be done, but their regulatory obligation is to announce it by the 15th June.
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Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Not Will Webb Ellis Not Will Webb Ellis wrote:

Any news on this being resolved yet?
The divisions websites all say they can't say when it will be done, but their regulatory obligation is to announce it by the 15th June.

 
It's really annoying knowing that they are ready to get it done but the dispute in the Midlands is stopping them, especially when leagues not involved in it are forced to hold off.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Griffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2019 at 10:57
Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Just looking at that map and without bothering to work out any mileage, surely there must be a case for Macclesfield transferring to the Midlands instead of Doncaster?

You appear to be correct. 
See columns L and M in this sheet (5_1920Totl):-


There are a few clubs in the North who appear to have less mileage if they transferred to the Midlands. Look at column H in the above sheet.


Edited by Griffin - 30 May 2019 at 12:06
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dagfish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2019 at 11:39
Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Just looking at that map and without bothering to work out any mileage, surely there must be a case for Macclesfield transferring to the Midlands instead of Doncaster?


From page 6 of this thread ... "Next season is treated as a completely separate entity, but again 3 clubs will be required to level transfer from North to Midlands. If no clubs volunteer, the ones with lowest mileage are likely to be Sandbach, Macclesfield and Sheffield, and these clubs would then have no choice but to be transferred. "
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I don't know whether this adds anything to the argument re Bromsgrove but out of curiosity I calculated the mileage for some London & SE clubs to South & South West compared to some clubs in the Midlands.

Mileage to South & South West Premier
1Guildford RFC3668.5L&SE
2Bromsgrove RFC3689.9Midland
3London Irish Amateur RFC3697.6L&SE
4Birmingham & Solihull Rugby Club3841.4Midland
5Bournville RFC3975.5Midland
6Wimbledon RFC4047.3L&SE
7Dorking RFC4071.0L&SE
8Broadstreet RFC4083.5Midland

Interestingly Bromsgrove and London Irish WG are within 2% of Guildford so then it would go on mileages in their own leagues. Teams with the highest mileage in their own league would be level transferred.

However, all the above is not in the rules so perhaps best to ignore it...Smile




Edited by Griffin - 28 May 2019 at 12:39
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Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

I don't know whether this adds anything to the argument re Bromsgrove but out of curiosity I calculated the mileage for some London & SE clubs to South & South West compared to some clubs in the Midlands.

Mileage to South & South West Premier
1Guildford RFC3668.5L&SE
2Bromsgrove RFC3689.9Midland
3London Irish Amateur RFC3697.6L&SE
4Birmingham & Solihull Rugby Club3841.4Midland
5Bournville RFC3975.5Midland
6Wimbledon RFC4047.3L&SE
7Dorking RFC4071.0L&SE
8Broadstreet RFC4083.5Midland

Interestingly Bromsgrove and London Irish WG are within 2% of Guildford so then it would go on mileages in their own leagues. Teams with the highest mileage in their own league would be level transferred.

However, all the above is not in the rules so perhaps best to ignore it...Smile



As I mentioned, it would be common sense to swap Guildford and put Maidenhead in LSE. However since that is not an option under RFU rules, if they were to move Guildford then Kettering would have to be sacrificed from the Midlands to join Bedford in LSE. 
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Griffin Griffin wrote:

I don't know whether this adds anything to the argument re Bromsgrove but out of curiosity I calculated the mileage for some London & SE clubs to South & South West compared to some clubs in the Midlands.

Mileage to South & South West Premier
1Guildford RFC3668.5L&SE
2Bromsgrove RFC3689.9Midland
3London Irish Amateur RFC3697.6L&SE
4Birmingham & Solihull Rugby Club3841.4Midland
5Bournville RFC3975.5Midland
6Wimbledon RFC4047.3L&SE
7Dorking RFC4071.0L&SE
8Broadstreet RFC4083.5Midland

Interestingly Bromsgrove and London Irish WG are within 2% of Guildford so then it would go on mileages in their own leagues. Teams with the highest mileage in their own league would be level transferred.

However, all the above is not in the rules so perhaps best to ignore it...Smile



As I mentioned, it would be common sense to swap Guildford and put Maidenhead in LSE. However since that is not an option under RFU rules, if they were to move Guildford then Kettering would have to be sacrificed from the Midlands to join Bedford in LSE. 
Guildford are down the A3 in Godalming, it may look like they're geographically better but they are definitely out on a limb there. Maidenhead, LIWG and Bracknell are well situated for the M4.
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Just out of curiosity, I'm very curious, I've done the mileages to the South West Premier from LSE and MP.

Mileage to =>South West Premier
Reduced by 2%
Regarded as Identical to the lowest.
Mileage in their own league
LSEGuildford RFC3668.61449.2<=Highest
MPBromsgrove RFC3689.93616.1YES1246.7
LSELondon Irish Amateur RFC3697.63623.6YES1358.4
MPBirmingham & Solihull3841.43764.6NO
LSECS Stags 18633876.03798.5NO
Highest mileage in their own league is Level Transferred.
MPBournville RFC3975.53896.0NO
LSEWimbledon RFC4047.33966.4NO
LSEDorking RFC4071.03989.6NO
MPBroadstreet RFC4083.54001.8NO
MPBridgnorth RFC4169.44086.0NO
LSETring RUFC4300.64214.6NO
MPNuneaton RFC Ltd4435.54346.8NO
LSEBrighton RFC4532.04441.4NO
LSESevenoaks RFC4597.14505.2NO
LSEHertford RFC4767.24671.9NO
LSESidcup RFC4800.44704.4NO
MPNewport (Salop) RUFC4807.14711.0NO
MPBurton RFC Ltd4826.24729.7NO
MPSouth Leicester RFC4872.74775.2NO
LSETunbridge Wells RFC4899.44801.4NO
MPBedford Athletic RFC4924.34825.8NO
MPKettering RFC4996.84896.9NO
LSEGuernsey RFC Ltd5295.25189.3NO
LSERochford Hundred RFC5434.55325.8NO
MPPaviors RFC5565.65454.3NO
MPPeterborough Lions RUFC5681.05567.4NO

All the gory details are in these two Google Sheets:-





Edited by Griffin - 30 May 2019 at 12:37
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If Guildford were to head west (though not on route 66) two clubs would need to head from midlands to LSE - do we know who that would be and what their extra milage would be. Or rather is the total mileage for that configuration lower than for just moving Bromsgrove.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

If Guildford were to head west (though not on route 66) two clubs would need to head from midlands to LSE - do we know who that would be and what their extra milage would be. Or rather is the total mileage for that configuration lower than for just moving Bromsgrove.

Since you ask Smile

If Guildford move to SSW and Kettering moved to LSE
To SSWTo LSEOwn leagueIncrease
Guildford3668.61449.22219.4
Kettering2955.31336.01619.3
3838.7<= Total Increase
If Bromsgrove move to SSW
To SSWOwn leagueIncrease
Bromsgrove3689.91246.72443.2
2443.2<= Total Increase

Some of the gory details are in this sheet:-  Midland Premier => LSE Premier



Edited by Griffin - 30 May 2019 at 12:38
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Fair play G - you are the stats man.

Have the RFU approached you yet?
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

Fair play G - you are the stats man.

Have the RFU approached you yet?


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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

Fair play G - you are the stats man.

Have the RFU approached you yet?

They wouldn't, I criticise the bugfest that is GMS too much. Big smile
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I shan't hold my breath that the RFU London page will give us any update. I can see it being that they will just one day magically spring them on us without telling.
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I believe the London RFU fixtures will be released around this time next week. I dont envy any of the regions trying to sort all the level transfers out.
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I don't know if this is of any use but Hampshire have released the draft structured season. Kind of them to give us all a rest week for the RWC final and the last 2 games of the 6 Nations but apparently there is going to be a rest week between the last 2 games of the season. 



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Strange that there are 2 consecutive weeks off in March (7th & 14th). I can't remember that happening before.
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