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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 09:04
I am not entirely sure of the point of option 1.
All teams play the same fixtures as normal but in a different order.
The local matches are played first - followed by the long trips.
In a 14 team league, the season needs two more weeks of fixtures - as in the first part of the season where there are two pools of 7, one team in each pool does not have an opponent.
So the long travel is postponed to the worse weather.

The teams with most travel - NCA play their fixtures in the normal order.

So for this option to happen we must be happy for contact sport to take place.
Happy for clubs to play in front of crowds - otherwise the National league and Championship will not happen.
Happy for Plymouth to visit Darlington
But feel Wimbledon should not visit Tring, until after Christmas.

Surely if you are going to do this then you apply it to the National league  - which are 16 team league so the sub leagues are of 8 and do not have the problem of the team missing out.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Happy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 09:16
Think that is more about economics, less travel and bigger local derby crowds to boost the coffers
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 11:02
Originally posted by RedPete RedPete wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Interesting  RFU plans for the restart of the 20/21 season

All pretty clear, but, unless I have missed something, what are the three windows?
Loosely defined as:
Window 1 - a full season, starting September/ October
Window 2 -  three-quarters of a season, starting November/ December
Window 3 - half a season, starting in January
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 11:31
Originally posted by Happy Happy wrote:

Be interesting to see the split of the seven teams 🤔 would Maidenhead go north or south 

I'd presume north, depends if they do north/south or east/west. I think it's a little hard to do north/south.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Happy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 11:40
Went with north south as they will want to avoid longer journey east west brings in Brighton to North Walsham  for example 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Happy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 11:51

My guess at what it would look like 

North

North Walsham
Hertford 
Tring
Maidenhead
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Sutton and Epsom
Wimbledon 

South 

Sidcup 
Sevenoaks
T wells
Brighton
Havant
Westcombe Park
Dorking 
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Living in Kent, I've got to say that looks a great mini league with big local derbies every week!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedPete Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 12:29
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by RedPete RedPete wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Interesting  RFU plans for the restart of the 20/21 season

All pretty clear, but, unless I have missed something, what are the three windows?
Loosely defined as:
Window 1 - a full season, starting September/ October
Window 2 -  three-quarters of a season, starting November/ December
Window 3 - half a season, starting in January
I re-read the rfu article and the windows are to be defined "next week" but I suspect it will be similar to what you have described
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I am not entirely sure of the point of option 1.
All teams play the same fixtures as normal but in a different order.
The local matches are played first - followed by the long trips.
In a 14 team league, the season needs two more weeks of fixtures - as in the first part of the season where there are two pools of 7, one team in each pool does not have an opponent.
So the long travel is postponed to the worse weather.


I would suspect the rationale is that if there is a winter flareup and contact tracing is needed - in the first half of the season you will only have met 6 other teams not 13
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Midlands Prem split conferences are out - can be found on Staffordshire RFU website
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 11:37
I am not entirely sure of the point of option 1.
All teams play the same fixtures as normal but in a different order.
The local matches are played first - followed by the long trips.
In a 14 team league, the season needs two more weeks of fixtures - as in the first part of the season where there are two pools of 7, one team in each pool does not have an opponent.
So the long travel is postponed to the worse weather.

The teams with most travel - NCA play their fixtures in the normal order.

So for this option to happen we must be happy for contact sport to take place.
Happy for clubs to play in front of crowds - otherwise the National league and Championship will not happen.
Happy for Plymouth to visit Darlington
But feel Wimbledon should not visit Tring, until after Christmas.

Surely if you are going to do this then you apply it to the National league  - which are 16 team league so the sub leagues are of 8 and do not have the problem of the team missing out.  


Agree entirely the NCA should be the first to have their leagues split not the exception.

Happy for Plymouth to visit Darlington!
But feel Wimbledon should not visit Tring, until after Christmas.
Redruth to Bury St. Edmunds - 370 miles!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 11:44
I think we have established that the RFU cannot find a map with both hands and their elbow.
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Midlands Prem split conferences are out - can be found on Staffordshire RFU website
I'm a little confused by that post on https://staffsrfu.com/return-to-competitive-playing-for-2020-21-season/. It might be OK for Midlands Prem, but it seems very out of sync at the bottom of the pyramid. Bees were initialy told that we we would be entering the league at Midlands West 4 (South), but the Staffs RFU has us in Midlands West 5 (South). Also, none of the clubs we thought we were going to be playing appear anywhere in the structure at all (Bedworth, Birmingham Civil Service, Chaddesley Corbett, Claverdon, Coventrians, Harbury, Old Wheatleyans, Old Yardleians, Pershore, Rugby Welsh and Upton on Severn).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 11:13
Certainly the conference set up for Midlands Premier seems a little strange particularly if travel is the main criterion. eg Sandbach to SKiwifruithorpe?

Burton on Trent                      Bridgnorth

Doncaster Phoenix                  Broadstreet

Paviors                                   Bromsgrove

Sandbach                               Dudley Kingswinford

SKiwifruithorpe                             Newport (Salop)

Sheffield                                 Nuneaton                               

Syston                                    Oundle


A simple east/west split would seem to make more sense.

Broadstreet                                        Doncaster Phoenix

Sandbach                                         Paviors

Newport (Salop)                               Nuneaton

Dudley Kingswinford                      Oundle

Bridgnorth                                         SKiwifruithorpe

Bromsgrove                                       Syston

Burton on Trent                                Sheffield


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 11:45
Penda - your groupings are eminently more sensible with Sandbach & Burton swapping with Nuns and Oundle
However, the devil in me suspects there may be more to the groupings than just travel. An abbreviated season, which seems highly likely, may mean the 12 conference games are the only ones that get played in which case there is a play off to determine who wins the League (and presumably promotion?)
Is it just coincidence that in 1 group we have 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th from last season and in the other 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th and 11th with only Paviors bucking that trend together with the relegated and promoted clubs?? In other words a basic attempt to have 2 equally balanced groups


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 12:17
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Penda - your groupings are eminently more sensible with Sandbach & Broadstreet swapping with Nuns and Oundle
However, the devil in me suspects there may be more to the groupings than just travel. An abbreviated season, which seems highly likely, may mean the 12 conference games are the only ones that get played in which case there is a play off to determine who wins the League (and presumably promotion?)
Is it just coincidence that in 1 group we have 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th from last season and in the other 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th and 11th with only Paviors bucking that trend together with the relegated and promoted clubs?? In other words a basic attempt to have 2 equally balanced groups


Unfortunately, that is what happens when leagues are sub-divided.

If you want a balanced split then it is difficult to minimise the travel as much as you can if you forget standard and split on a strict regional basis.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richmids Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 19:35
I wonder if they go with the conference route if sides might have friendlies with local sides to help boost up the fixtures and give players few more games?
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Originally posted by Richmids Richmids wrote:

I wonder if they go with the conference route if sides might have friendlies with local sides to help boost up the fixtures and give players few more games?


Is anyone really interested in friendly matches - IMO it is all about league matches where there is something at stake.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 21:47
The conference system is to cope with a late start - there will not be time for friendlies. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 12:28
It's not a bad idea to fill blank Saturdays. As we are level transferred there are many of our traditional rivals that we don't play anymore apart from the odd county cup game eg Lymm, Macclesfield, Northwich, Wirral, Wilmslow.

All these would probably pull in bigger crowds than our usual fixtures. 

As for being 'friendlies', there's a lot to be said for local bragging rights to bring a little er.. edge to games.
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