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    Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 11:46
Following on from a conversation elsewhere about restructuring the international game.  

If you look at the current structure England play 5 6N games and 6 other internationals per season (3 in the Autumn, 3 in the Summer) [World Cup cycle excluded]

Leaving the international fixtures at 11 games per season, I would suggest that the 6N is left alone but the other 6 games are restructured.

For example England would play only 2 counties from tier one*; 2 countries from tier two and two countries from tier three. These counties would be on a cycle so you would play every country every X years.

You could play the same country twice per season - once home, once away, or two different countries - once home, once away.

This way every country gets their chance to play against a Tier one nation each season [outside of the RWC cycle]

*excluding the current 6N's, so tier one would be games against South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina.

Tier 2 would include Japan, Georgia etc. (I would have to look at the current rankings to see who falls where.)

In the Southern Hemisphere they could replicate the format of the 6N by including Japan and one of the Pacific Island countries - although I do wonder if there is an argument to have a combined Pacific Island XV rather than individual countries?

If you want to extend the number of internationals played each season - and they are the ones that attract the large TV and sponsorship money, then pro-rata my idea accordingly. However I think there is a cut off point of say 14 internationals per country each year.

I would leave the British Lions format alone - possibly with the addition of playing a warm up game against one of the developing nations.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deva Delinquent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 18:13
I've always thought something like this would be the best idea. All tier one nations need to play more games against tier two and three, this would give better exposure on a regular basis rather than leave it up negotiating every year. 

The question is would all the unions agree to it? 
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Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

I've always thought something like this would be the best idea. All tier one nations need to play more games against tier two and three, this would give better exposure on a regular basis rather than leave it up negotiating every year. 

The question is would all the unions agree to it? 


This got a big no from 6 Nations who wouldn't accept relegation - now the Premiership/Top 14 clubs are up in arms over suggested fixture dates outside of the international windows
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

I've always thought something like this would be the best idea. All tier one nations need to play more games against tier two and three, this would give better exposure on a regular basis rather than leave it up negotiating every year. 

The question is would all the unions agree to it? 


This got a big no from 6 Nations who wouldn't accept relegation - now the Premiership/Top 14 clubs are up in arms over suggested fixture dates outside of the international windows

Raider, I agree with Richard, leave the Six Nations as it is.  

What I do think needs to be addressed are the games over the summer and autumn, keep the amount roughly the same as is the current norm (three games in the summer, three/four in the autumn) but have a little more structure so that everyone outside tier one get more game time against the big boys.  Now would be a great opportunity to thrash something out which will benefit tier two and three sides - no relegation involved, just more game exposure on a regular basis.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 15:21
Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

I've always thought something like this would be the best idea. All tier one nations need to play more games against tier two and three, this would give better exposure on a regular basis rather than leave it up negotiating every year. 

The question is would all the unions agree to it? 


This got a big no from 6 Nations who wouldn't accept relegation - now the Premiership/Top 14 clubs are up in arms over suggested fixture dates outside of the international windows


Raider, I agree with Richard, leave the Six Nations as it is.  

What I do think needs to be addressed are the games over the summer and autumn, keep the amount roughly the same as is the current norm (three games in the summer, three/four in the autumn) but have a little more structure so that everyone outside tier one get more game time against the big boys.  Now would be a great opportunity to thrash something out which will benefit tier two and three sides - no relegation involved, just more game exposure on a regular basis.


I only stated why the proposals fell flat last time they were discussed.

From a personal viewpoint, I would set up a 2nd tier northern hemisphere (and 3rd tier) with promotion/relegation between the levels every 2 years based on a cumulative table.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 16:14
You mean the invite the North Americans into the European Nations Cup.
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