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    Posted: 04 May 2018 at 13:36
Lancashire clubs are apparently dropping out of the official pyramid into their own structure organised by Lancashire RFU.

The breakaway Lancashire leagues
https://twitter.com/lancashirerugby/status/991769243090931712

The remains of the Pyramid
https://twitter.com/TarletonRugby/status/991953279037988864

So seven Cumbrian and seven Lancastiran clubs in next seasons NLC (level 7) - lots of travel for everyone.
There will be a Cumbrian league and a South Lancashire/Chesire leauge at level 8, but not in North Lancashire.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deva Delinquent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 13:42
What's brought this on?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thomas snr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 13:56
historically the north have always been revolting!Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 14:13
How does promotion work?  Do the winners of the Lancashire RFU division have to apply to join the official RFU North West structure?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Yogi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 14:33
It is the Great Schism of 1895 all over again, when 22 of the clubs in the north formed the Northern Union, which eventually became the Rugby League. That also was due to a disagreement with the RFU but at that time it was over the right to pay 'broken time' to players who gave up work time to play rugby.

 Well done Lancashire.  It idea was mocked in 1895 and it is already being mocked in 2018. 

 It will at least make the 'blazers' at Twickenham sit up and take notice.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 14:43
Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

It will at least make the 'blazers' at Twickenham sit up and take notice.

Not until we have a poll on Rolling Maul with almost 100 votes and 20,000 views...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 15:26
Lancashire Clubs resigning from the RFU
English Clubs Championship

Aldwinians
Ashton under Lyne
Birchfield
Bury
Burnley
Clitheroe
Didsbury Toc H
Eagle
Eccles
Garstang
Heaton Moor
Littleborough
Liverpool Collegiate
Liverpool St. Helens
Manchester Medics
North Manchester
Oldham
Ormskirk
Thornton Cleveleys*
Trafford MV
Tyldesley
West Park St. Helens
Widnes
Wigan

* Joining from the NW Intermediate Leagues
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 16:08
Sound like a great idea with relevance for local community rugby. Well done Lancashire - will it creep nationwide or just upwards in Lancashire?

Edited by FHLH - 04 May 2018 at 16:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 16:45
The bizarre thing is both Cumbria RFU and  to some extent Cheshire RFU where opposed to it. Strange as it mirrors a move Cumbria did with the lower Teams of their Clubs from playing outside of Cumbria in organised leagues such as the North West Leagues about 3-4 years ago.

If it don't work I doubt the RFU will refuse any Club wanting to rejoin the RFU Leagues. If its a success then who knows............

Some of the detractors have sited "lack of ambition not to progress within the RFU Leagues", quite a few in the above list who have "lived the dream" and nearly lost the family silverware. It's mentioned more than once on these pages that unless your ambition = a massive bank account / sugar daddy / shrewd financial management then the "nouveau riche" good times normally bring a rapid descent to the bad times. Not saying that applies to all but it only takes a Millionaire backer to choke on his Foie Gras and you are left wondering how your going to pay you next bill!

Good luck next season to every Club in and out of the RFU Leagues, getting to this stage of the season still in business regardless of your results is an achievement. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2018 at 22:57
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As far as I understand, the Lancashire RFU League is outside the pyramid, therefore you cannot be promoted from those leagues. 
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From the Lancashire RFU web site


Statement from Lancashire County RFU

A meeting held at Wigan RUFC on 2nd May has resulted in 24 Lancashire Clubs proposing to resign from the RFU English Clubs Championship.
At  the  behest  of several  clubs a 2 league  structure has been developed to accommodate these clubs and assist them in playing more local rugby against clubs within Lancashire RFU.
Lancashire RFU have not coerced clubs, we have only provided a conduit to what clubs asked us to help with.

The clubs who  intend to  resign  are  all either level 7, 8 & 9. There  will  be promotion/relegation between these two leagues but not out of them as they lie outside the RFU structure.

These ‘Lancashire Leagues’ for club First XVs will be deemed by the RFU to be of Merit table format and therefore clubs will:

• Retain either their voting or none voting membership of the Union.

• Be held accountable to the Rules & Regulations of the RFU

• Covered by insurance policies put in place for all clubs in the Union.

• Be eligible to apply for any funding streams available to all clubs within the Union without prejudice.

• Be eligible for assistance from area & local RFU staff.

An organising  committee of 5 members from the clubs  involved has been formed and they will set down regulations for the league going forwards. Clubs will also be Subject To  the same disciplinary  regulations  as for  all clubs in  the  Union, locally  under the jurisdiction of the Lancashire Disciplinary Committee.

As a  Constituent  Body  of the  RFU Lancashire  will  continue  to support all our clubs whether in the Lancashire leagues or remaining in the RFU English Clubs Championship in the same equitable manner.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hexhamshire Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2018 at 08:14
The biggest name in that list is probably LSH who were in the top tier of the game within recent memory. They've fallen a long way in recent years.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2018 at 20:51
It makes sense to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2018 at 10:49
Having read the full explanation it's hardly the Great Schism. Good luck to them if this will provide the kind of competition that the clubs and their supporters want.
That's easy for you to say.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2018 at 11:18
It may be perfect for the Lancastrian clubs - but does it work for the Cumbrian and Cheshire clubs.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2018 at 11:49
What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2018 at 16:51
Dunno - maybe you should ask them?

Only a proposal up North so far?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 373 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2018 at 08:55
Big fish in a small pond. Sums up the arrogance of the majority of Lancs teams very well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2018 at 13:24
What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
 
Makes perfect sense then the CRFU could then add 2nd teams to the Cornwall Leagues and the top team could be promoted to Western Counties West (providing they were a 1st team).  You would get a similar standard of competition with minimal travelling.
I've been promoting this idea for years but if falls on deaf ears unfortunately.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2018 at 15:09
I must admit that was not quite the response I expected - I though people would say why do we need to drive to Somerset bypasssing all the Devon clubs.

There are many ways to redraw leagues.
The challenge is always to balance travel against mismatches.
If Redruth only played Cornish sides ...
And you need pathways for ambitious clubs and also for referees.

It cannot be done on the back of a fag packet.
Though I admit I have tried.


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