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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Collapsingmaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 09:53
Although I am led to believe the committee of the north west leagues are cumbrian based? Vale of lune?
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Vale of Lune is based in Lancaster. 
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It has been set up as an official lancashire RFU Merit table.
So is still covered by MADRefs.
 
Correct in terms of still being covered by MADREFs, however the "Lancashire Leagues" will have a lower priority of appointments due to no longer being a part of the RFU structure
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Collapsingmaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:04
Lancaster is still cumbria rfu isnt it ??
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Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

Lancaster is still cumbria rfu isnt it ??

Clue's in the name.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Collapsingmaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:28
So vale of lune player representatives represent lancaster in the county championship
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Collapsingmaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:30
Im assuming you didnt know the answer its in fact lancashire rfu ,thanks
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 14:55
Of course it is possible some Vale of Lune player may qualify for Cumbria by birth.

Ramblingref - lancashire leagues obviously rank below NLC and SLC1, do you mean they rank below SLC2  - so equivalent to level 9 and 10.
Do they rank do the Lancashire leagues rank above or below NOWIRUL?
Surely a clubs 2nd XV playing in NOWIRUL 2 South will not get higher priority than their first XV in LL1?

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Of course it is possible some Vale of Lune player may qualify for Cumbria by birth.

Ramblingref - lancashire leagues obviously rank below NLC and SLC1, do you mean they rank below SLC2  - so equivalent to level 9 and 10.
Do they rank do the Lancashire leagues rank above or below NOWIRUL?
Surely a clubs 2nd XV playing in NOWIRUL 2 South will not get higher priority than their first XV in LL1?

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Yes they would rank below SLC2 as RFU League matches will take precedence, compared with the Merit Table that is the "Lancashire League".
 
As the "Lancashire 1" is equivalent to a L7 league, it will be at the top of the Merit Table appointment priority. This is a factor that the clubs were fully aware of and they will therefore potentially be faced with a lower level of referee, dependent on number of matches and availability.
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Is it technically not below the NOWIRUL Premier as well which is level 6?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RamblingRef Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 17:01
Originally posted by 373 373 wrote:

Is it technically not below the NOWIRUL Premier as well which is level 6?
 
No it wouldn't fall below the NOWIRUL Premier as the "Lancashire League" is a 1st Team league, whereas NOWIRUL Premier is 2nd team.
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Yes they would rank below SLC2 as RFU League matches will take precedence, compared with the Merit Table that is the "Lancashire League".
 
As the "Lancashire 1" is equivalent to a L7 league, it will be at the top of the Merit Table appointment priority. This is a factor that the clubs were fully aware of and they will therefore potentially be faced with a lower level of referee, dependent on number of matches and availability.
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So Mr. Henry clubs should adjust their payments to MADREFS accordingly? If a Club pays for the Society to provide a Referee for their 1st XV game shouldn't they have an official of the appropriate standard?

...is this your view or the view of the Society Keiron?
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Yes they would rank below SLC2 as RFU League matches will take precedence, compared with the Merit Table that is the "Lancashire League".
 
As the "Lancashire 1" is equivalent to a L7 league, it will be at the top of the Merit Table appointment priority. This is a factor that the clubs were fully aware of and they will therefore potentially be faced with a lower level of referee, dependent on number of matches and availability.
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So Mr. Henry clubs should adjust their payments to MADREFS accordingly? If a Club pays for the Society to provide a Referee for their 1st XV game shouldn't they have an official of the appropriate standard?

...is this your view or the view of the Society Keiron?
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No views, I am simply advising that England Rugby (or the RFU as everyone likes to continue to call it) have an appointments priority ladder which dictates in which order matches should be appointed to.
 
For example, a Schools match has a higher appointment priority than a club's 2nd team, no matter what the level. The same applies with Women's matches also.
 
It is sadly a consequence of the gross shortage of referees within the North West area that means it is a weekly struggle to have referees of an equivalent standard to a match. I notice that your club is Fylde so as an example I would approximate that your 2nd team (Level 6 ranked) will have had roughly half of their matches refereed by a referee of L7 or potentially even L8. That is not to say that the referee was not "good enough", we wouldn't appoint them if we didn't think it was appropriate.
 
I hope that better explains the point I am trying to make?
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In essence the merit league is basically a sunday league ??
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Originally posted by Collapsingmaul Collapsingmaul wrote:

In essence the merit league is basically a sunday league ??
 
No that's definitely not what it is.
 
I believe the hope of those teams that are forming the "Lancashire Leagues" is that they will provide more competitive matches with less travelling. That said, I am led to believe that the number of teams taking part has reduced from the original 24 now to only 19.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 10:44
Lancashire league fixtures released - twenty teams listed - so 18 league fixtures.


The cup and shield seem to be being played in 3 groups of 3 with the tenth side getting a bye.
I assume the pool winners and the sides with byes (Alsemians and North Manchester0 go through to semi finals.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 10:47
Also the final (until the next one) structure of the North division leagues is:

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There is some travel in the SLC2.......

But full league so week in week out rugby, to be fair with Lancashire League Structure still guaranteed 20 games (league & cup). Plus the Lancashire Cup Competitions ( Bowl, Plate & Trophy ) should be a good year for Lancashire Clubs.

However I do hope it works for all leagues NLC/SLC 1 & 2 as the last few seasons it's seems leagues have disappeared which is no good for nobody.....come on players get behind your club, play Saturday afternoon for the good of the game, not for what you can get.....enjoy your summer and good luck to all in September getting full sides out whether 1st or 4th team.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 12:31
cq... thanks for posting what according to the RFU North Competitions Committee is the final RFU NW structure........ it might not be.
 
I understand more than one Club have lodged appeals at the League they've been placed in. If the appeals are upheld then expect changes...........of course that could mean more appeals because if Team A(K) win their appeal and move leagues (say to SLC1)  then someone has to move out of that League to (NLC) unless of course they go for 15 and 13 Team Leagues!
 
Additionally in SLC1 you have teams that just survived in Level 8 coming up against Teams fresh from Level 6 or top end of Level 7.
 
All of this could have been avoided if Cumbria & Cheshire had bothered to get round a table and discuss things, the Lancashire Clubs ran out of patience as both Cumbria & Cheshire said.........
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It now looks as if Cheshire RFU have lodged an appeal on behalf of several clubs;

http://www.cheshirerfu.co.uk/2018/06/18/cheshire-rfu-appeal/


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