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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 17:07
Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

I am convinced that eventually all the RFU will want is an England team to play at Twickenham with a bit of underlying aspiration to rejuvenate player stocks. The rest of the game really doesn't seem important to them which is crazy given that it is them who pay the money to watch. Rugby is in a difficult period and risks losing its very core.

I couldn't agree more Izal......in my view above level 2 it is already disconnected from reality and has lost any integrity and relevance it had to the grassroots of the game.

The mismanagement of the game by the RFU is complete and probably irreversible
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 17:42
Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

............ underlying aspiration to rejuvenate player stocks. Rugby ...... risks losing its very core.

There seems to be an assumption that volunteers will continue to run junior clubs and feed mini/youth into the "Premiership Pathway" - if such a thing exists


Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

.......... level 2 it is already disconnected from reality and has lost any integrity and relevance it had to the grassroots of the game.

Level 2 is facing the reality of RFU inconsistency and contrariness


Originally posted by Every true lover of community rugby & BE) Every true lover of community rugby & BE) wrote:

The mismanagement of the game by the RFU is complete and probably irreversible

What do junior clubs do, the constituent bodies seem helpless - they all want their tickets ... and a chance of the top table.

Originally posted by FoghornLeghorn FoghornLeghorn wrote:

What voice do the 1972 clubs (Level 3+) have?

None - time for a revolution, but I think we have seen similar threads for a while.

Originally posted by Highland Tinker Highland Tinker wrote:

Is it time for concerted action?

Perhaps a generic e-mail bombardment on The Rugby Paper, RFU and say, the Daily Telegraph. I'll draft some (brief) text and PM to anyone interested for comment
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 18:31
On just one point alone -The travel allowances being reduced by 33% for levels 3 and below which equates the £500,000 , this amount is what they pay one team in the championship not including the money they paid them for the Championship cup which proved to be a waste of time. If you add it up the money laid out for the championship alone is over £6 million which is far more than the pay to the whole of "Community" rugby which is probably 90% of the playing population of rugby who also support Internationals , kill off community rugby and you will kill off the game . you cannot live off the support for 24 clubs.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

..... kill off community rugby and you will kill off the game.

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For me this dates back to the catastrophic performance of the national team as the host nation for the 2015 World Cup. The knee jerk reaction of appointing Eddie Jones on mega bucks together with his highly paid entourage of support coaches covering everything from water carrying to shoe lace tying is why we are where we are!
A previous poster has highlighted the cost of international appearance money which explains why in every match we get this pointless and endless troop of substitutions so every player can pick up their "wodge" of dollar
The cost of two or three sub appearances could quite probably sustain a community club for 12 months or more so we should all be asking exactly where we are all headed?
As a long standing administrator of a community club I have lost count of the number of edicts sent down from HQ without any offer of financial support to implement their wishes (more a case of find another volunteer to make it happen) The governing body is clearly unfit for purpose so how do we get rid of the fat cat, free hospitality driven hierarchy?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 19:20
Start by nominating someone to council.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 19:27
I'm not sure they have much power these days but I guess that would be the first step (they also enjoy a level of freebies that go with the role so maybe asking the turkeys to vote for Christmas!)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PercyR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 11:58
I'm not condoning Twickers excesses, but do you know a governing body that financially supports its member clubs year on year like rugby union does?

Twickerham internationals are the driver of a model that funds most aspects of the game. For many clubs their annual ticket allocation which they can use to attract headline sponsors is one of their biggest earners.

I'm not aware of my local cricket club getting a similar deal of test match tickets from the ECB.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sidelined Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 11:58
The prospect of a total overhaul of the league structure from level 3 down is now, I suspect, inevitable.

Hopefully, in light of these cuts, we won't see a scenario where clubs are declining promotion. Although it wouldn't be totally surprising if some clubs don't seriously consider the idea.  


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Why stop at level 3 - level 1 and 2 are pretty broken.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Total disgrace and sums up what a bunch of amateurs run the RFU!

That's possibly true- but there's another way of thinking that says that the RFU has actually not been run by a bunch of amateurs, but a group of professional businessmen with not much background or interest in the game generally. Like many businessmen, it could be argued that they have prioritized short term profits (mainly for themselves) over long term sustainability. Perhaps a bit like the financial crash of 2008 which was caused by a tiny number of greedy bankers who profited massively from their actions while the rest of the world suffered. Maybe the RFU would be better off being run by amateurs who actually cared about the grass roots.
Keep the red flag flying!!! It's not been seen at Twickers for a long, long time. 
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Originally posted by PercyR PercyR wrote:

I'm not aware of my local cricket club getting a similar deal of test match tickets from the ECB.
 
Tennis clubs get a slice of Wimbledon tickets I believe
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Why stop at level 3 - level 1 and 2 are pretty broken.

I left the top two tiers out, considering them the "professional game". But yes, ideally a full overhaul is required. If I was the RFU I would sell my stake in the Premiership and be done with it! That alone would reduce the RFU's outgoings by some £50,000,000.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pristine Shorts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 12:45
Agree totally - let the Premiership go and ring-fence itself.

Pick the England team from the Championship.

Tough, but the RFU is the architect of its own misfortune.
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Just remember that the £80 million spent on the redevelopment of Twickenham - Yes, £80 Million, was spent wisely and for the benefit of the game.

"The East Stand's contemporary offering will provide clients with a plethora of options, each with a different look, feel and ambience. Among Twickenham's most surprising and inspiring new venues will be the 'East Wing', which offers a contemporary space reminiscent of a private members club, demonstrating sophistication without stuffiness. Alongside four private terraces with both pitch-side views and outdoor access, it has four individual private dining areas that can accommodate up to 30 guests for a relaxed lounge environment or formal private table setting and 800 covers for the whole restaurant."
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Just remember that the £80 million spent on the redevelopment of Twickenham
 
What a cynic you are! It's quite normal for a budget of £50m to come in £30m overspent at £80m - doubtless Brexit was to blame .............. Wink Wink Ouch
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To: Head of Human Resources, RFU
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Gissa job! With 580 full time equivalent employees in the year ending June 2018 and a £29.2m wage bill excluding Pension & NI, it seems you pay an average of over £50,000 per annum - probably over £3,000 per month after tax, including bonuses (bonuses???) (Source: RFU Annual Report)
 
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:


To: Head of Human Resources, RFU
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Gissa job! With 580 full time equivalent employees in the year ending June 2018 and a £29.2m wage bill excluding Pension & NI, it seems you pay an average of over £50,000 per annum - probably over £3,000 per month after tax, including bonuses (bonuses???) (Source: RFU Annual Report)
 
Hugs and kisses,
 
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£1 million each. I could live with that
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:


To: Head of Human Resources, RFU
Dear Sir/Madam
 
Gissa job! With 580 full time equivalent employees in the year ending June 2018 and a £29.2m wage bill excluding Pension & NI, it seems you pay an average of over £50,000 per annum - probably over £3,000 per month after tax, including bonuses (bonuses???) (Source: RFU Annual Report)
 
Hugs and kisses,
 
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I think 30 of us from the Rolling Maul could run the RFU.
£1 million each. I could live with that

On the basis of the apparent aptitude of the senior management, can I also apply for a job, I know sweet FA about anythingBig smile you only have to look at some of the prediction leagues to verify this fact.
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