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    Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 15:23
Last season, when 10 'guest' players were allowed in each match day squad, the impression was given that it would only last for one season.

This year, the RFU has over-ruled the NL1-clubs by extending it for another year. 13 of 16 NL1 clubs voted to get rid of this criminallky stupid measure, to be over-ruled by the Premiership and the RFU.

The measure has been diluted slightly, allowing a reduction from 10 to 8 EAP players - but it still allows over half a starting line-up to be guest players parachuted in over an unwilling squad from a Premiership club's development organisation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 16:14
To be fair, it was the Premiership that over-ruled, not the RFU. Members of the RFU Governance Committee influenced by Premiership Rugby Ltd voted to retain the number. We did at least get the concession that EAPs must have played before the transfer deadline, unless long-term injured, which would avoid what happened at Luffbra last season.

To be unfair, it's ridiculous! PRL is increasing the number of A League matches, which means they won't let their EAPs play on the Saturday before so what is the point?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 16:47
Correct Haliford, it was the Premiership Clubs that made this decision.
We always knew that the NCA's opinion carried little weight, despite the vote but, we did not realise how impotent the RFU are when the Premiership wants something.

The ridiculous rule remains. All bow to the Premiership.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CalderVale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 17:21
If the clubs are so against it, why don't they privately agree not to use any dual registered players, even if Premiership wants you to, if coaches just pick club lads signed in summer and get on with it. But I suspect the few clubs who think it's ok won't agree to that, then clubs struggling will change their views half way through, but you never know get all NCA clubs together and agree not to use these players and see who is the best and worse with your own squads.....enjoy your pre season Recruitment then the season
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We have known all along who runs rugby in England - and it ain't the RFU......
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Wonder who the third club that voted for it was?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 21:47
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Wonder who the third club that voted for it was?

I'm surmising Luffbra at one end and Roth at the other but the third ...........  Sale? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 22:22
Good point I hadn’t thought of incoming teams
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bullwhip griffen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2018 at 08:16
The NCA has always been pragmatic - make the best of being a vassal state in a kingdom of the blind. Breakaway me lads, breakaway. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PurpleHaze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 18:21
Oh joy, another season of other teams venting their bile at LS via their supporters who have no say in who plays for them. The structure of English rugby and the power of those at top table absolutely stinks.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 18:57
Perhaps PH if they didn’t employ Tigers coaches they may be more independent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 22:28
Originally posted by PurpleHaze PurpleHaze wrote:

Oh joy, another season of other teams venting their bile at LS via their supporters who have no say in who plays for them. The structure of English rugby and the power of those at top table absolutely stinks.


PurpleHaze,
If you think the comments made on this forum are aimed at you and other supporters of Loughborough Students RUFC, you could not be more wrong.
But, should you defend the actions of the people who run your club, you will be criticised.
There is no 'bile' on this subject, only constructive criticism from people who care about our game, criticism which is aimed at a) the bottless and impotent RFU, b) The selfish egotistical Premiership and c) the greedy management/coaches of clubs who take advantage of this truely unfair regulation.

I presume that the management of your club were one of the three who voted in favour. I say that as I believe were it not for this ridiculous regulation, your club would have suffered relegation last season.

I hope all at Loughborough enjoy thier Premiership sponsored Nat 1. Rugby.


Edited by Sid James - 07 Jul 2018 at 22:29
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SCC79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jul 2018 at 22:43
I agree totally with Sid James. And Purple Haze, as a supporter of LS (maybe a VP) you will receive less information about whats going on at your club than probably any other supporter of any other rugby club in the country. That's the way its run.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PurpleHaze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 2018 at 20:35
SCC79, sorry to destroy your conspiracy theory. Whilst I am a season ticket holder I am most certainly NOT a VP at LS and never will be. However, you are 100% correct in uour belief that we as LS supporters receive less information about LS than any other team I can think of. As a LS supporter for many years I am disgusted about the lack of transparency about the team / club. However and this is the most important aspect, they offer a way for me (and others) to enjoy a high standard of rugby locally. I will not follow Tigers! For me it is LS and lower leagues because it is rugby that matters and not the cr*p politics of English rugby.
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Yawn.😴😴😴 We at LS will enjoy our NL1 rugby sponsored by the VPs (of which I am not one and I dont know any) and a small band of sponsors and paid for by players match fees. Get over it. The needle is stuck for at least another season. End of story. Enjoy your rugby ....simples!
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Sid James 07, I do not defend the actions of the people who run LS. As I say the structure of English Rugby and the power of the top table totally stinks. I am not a VP of LS and therefore have no voting power. I will continue to enjoy my rugby at LS in NL1 or below if relegated and rugby at other local clubs in lower leagues. The enjoyment of local rugby is what counts.

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Just as an aside as I know little about other clubs VP's but our VP's seem to be the very essence of club rugby as they try to keep the club going apart from the obvious ugly money side (supporters always tend to ignore the source of this) which comes from two former players. The VP's tend to be in their more mature' years having generally worked in our case at the steelworks or other heavy labour, give their time unquestioningly, generally provide their own paint, nails etc and can turn their hand to most things required to keep the Titans going. Taking out or puting in the posts, fixing roofs, washing kit, meet and greet you name it they do it. The VP's are what club rugby is all about and long may they reign. 


Very proud to have been asked as a junior (60) to join the club and try to do as they do.  We don't hide it but wear the VP title as a badge of honour.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ruckinspector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2018 at 11:36
Whoever is currently in charge of LS have defiled the recent proud history of this club. They have achieved their current status on the back of nearly 10 years of genuine students working their way up the leagues. These players had to deal with the weekly student bashing mentality of the opposition but continued to be successful. Having reached National One genuine students are now denied the ability to develop and flourish at this level. LS got to this level by banding strongly together and then improving as the season progressed. Now all that happens is non students are parachuted in for certain must win games. Why should an 18/19 year old player now go to LS knowing his path to play regular Saturday 1st Xv is decided upon by Leicester Academy coaches who will be under pressure to give their players game time. I am no fan of Hartpury but at least they are open and honest and have removed the 'Students' title from their Saturday team. Whoever has made this decision is wrong and should either change back to it being an all student all season team , even if this means relegation, or take themselves off to a different rugby environment.
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Originally posted by ruckinspector ruckinspector wrote:

Whoever is currently in charge of LS have defiled the recent proud history of this club. They have achieved their current status on the back of nearly 10 years of genuine students working their way up the leagues. These players had to deal with the weekly student bashing mentality of the opposition but continued to be successful. Having reached National One genuine students are now denied the ability to develop and flourish at this level. LS got to this level by banding strongly together and then improving as the season progressed. Now all that happens is non students are parachuted in for certain must win games. Why should an 18/19 year old player now go to LS knowing his path to play regular Saturday 1st Xv is decided upon by Leicester Academy coaches who will be under pressure to give their players game time. I am no fan of Hartpury but at least they are open and honest and have removed the 'Students' title from their Saturday team. Whoever has made this decision is wrong and should either change back to it being an all student all season team , even if this means relegation, or take themselves off to a different rugby environment.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2018 at 13:41
Well said ruck inspector. I think you will find when Luff played genuine students the bashing was limited mainly towards funding. It just shows the great job Dave Morris did for years.
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