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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Collapsingmaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 08:10
Jealousy comes to mind,Loughborough as an institute is well funded and enough people care to make it a quality team.be it promotion or relegation you deserve to be where you are,it happens in every other sport premiership players (squad/young players) filter into lower leagues to get experience

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ruckinspector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 09:06
Collapsing maul not sure how you read jealousy into the comments made? It was more about the integrity of that club and sadly the league itself. You mention 'happens in every other sport'- can you please give an example in any other sport where 10 players from outside that actual club are allowed/have actually played at the same time in a league or cup match?
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Fully agree with Ruckinspector, I always supported Loughbro' playing in Nat 1 when they only played students attending the university, unlike Hartpury who used taxpayers money to pay full time professional players.

Some of the teams that LS turned out were full of age grade international players who were attending the university on merit, and by default most of those players were attached to premier division clubs, to me this was not a problem they were "Luff" students and therefore perfectly eligible to play for LS. and formed a very good competitive Nat 1 side.

I think LS's mistake was to appoint a Leicester coach to run the team, who thought the easy way to success was to ship in Leicester academy players instead of working with the students.

I hope that LS revert back to their student policy, because the way they are shaping at the moment could be disastrous for them.  
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Originally posted by ruckinspector ruckinspector wrote:

can you please give an example in any other sport where 10 players from outside that actual club are allowed/have actually played at the same time in a league or cup match?

Is there any evidence of a club actually doing this in the National League structure?
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There was certainly 9 when LS played Blackheath at the university last season don’t know about other games
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 15:11
Liecester used a number of Loughborough players in their sevens squad  though they were not on official Liecester Academy contracts.

And some of those on Academy contracts were then enrolled on education courses at Loughborough and therefore elligble to join the students union sports clubs.

So it would be possible for LS to put out a side with 20 full time students and have others say truthfully that nine had Leicester connections. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SCC79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 22:35
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It's all very sad but I do agree totally with ruckinspector. I feel sorry for the students themselves - it must be shocking to finish a game and have the crowd shout well played Leicester as happened on a number of occasions last year. The person/people tasked with running LS rugby tried to do a cheap outsource exercise last year and got what they deserved. In the process they treated a club with an impeccable history of producing high class players with total disrespect
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Full Bodied Red Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 09:00
LS didn't get what they deserved. They avoided relegation and sent Hull Ionians down instead.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SCC79 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 12:38
I'm split Full Bodied Red: half of me thinks the student players wouldn't have deserved relegation - but the other half of me feels it would have been just desserts because of how the club was managed 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 23:11
Originally posted by Full Bodied Red Full Bodied Red wrote:

LS didn't get what they deserved. They avoided relegation and sent Hull Ionians down instead.


I fully agree
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stonehousealbion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 19:59
From TRP today:


Apparently, new voluntary limit below what was previously imposed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 23:10
Yes, a voluntary agreement. There are still issues to be resolved, such as how EAPs are remunerated under the Player Payment Regulations an also that an Academy Manager can allow an EAP to play for the first time after the transfer deadline if the player has been injured up to that point. Trying to clarify whether that is the RFU Academy Manager or a Premiership Club Academy Manager.
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from NCA website:
 

"With a number of players sidelined last year, Albion developed a good relationship with Exeter Chiefs’ academy, with names such as Robbie Weeks, starring for the club

Hallet added: “The link with Exeter Academy is really important to us. We’re not in the position where our budget allows us to have a squad of 40 players.

We can get young players for next to nothing and that’s invaluable to us, and to them. It’s an important time in their lives. They are fighting hard for a full-time Premiership contract and not all of them will get one.”



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I don't know if I'm missing something, but it says that a player must have represented (played for) a Club before the February deadline. What's not clear about that. If a player has been injured, at any time, playing for the Club he's DR'd at, then he's eligible to play after the deadline, even if he's been injured for a month or two.
If he was injured playing for any other Club, then he's ineligible, or not, depending on wether the RFU / Premiership change the rules at a day's notice.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 hours 57 minutes ago at 16:00
There is another alternative. Apparently if a player has been unable to play for any Club prior to the transfer deadline, he can still play as an EAP. That seems to be a decision that can be taken by “the Academy Manager”. That needs more clarification!
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

There is another alternative. Apparently if a player has been unable to play for any Club prior to the transfer deadline, he can still play as an EAP. That seems to be a decision that can be taken by “the Academy Manager”. That needs more clarification!


Sounds like a hole big enough to drive a bus through.

I could understand it if the player had been registered before the deadline and injured for the entire season, otherwise it is open season.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Full Bodied Red Full Bodied Red wrote:

LS didn't get what they deserved. They avoided relegation and sent Hull Ionians down instead.


I fully agree

Does it follow that any other club who used players from the DR system , loaned players , other academy arrangements from a senior club `deserve ` to be relegated . When is it acceptable and how many outside players are acceptable. The new `gentleman`s agreement is open to interpretation. 

Most people on here all agree it was unacceptable on  the few occasions that excessive numbers were used in the agreement with Leicester Tigers and the RFU agreement to allow it / encourage it`s use. it rankles me when people call for any team to be relegated especially Loughborough Students who get no payment for playing National One rugby.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ruckinspector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 7 minutes ago at 20:50
No7 the previous arrangement allowed a maximum of 4 DR players. This had been the amount for a number of seasons and no-one complained about this number because at most only 20% of a match day squad were not regular players for that particular club. The problem was when Nigel Melville increased the number to 10 in a misguided attempt to get more 'meaningful' league game time for Academy players. Sadly in a politically motivated move the PRL doubled the number of A league matches in a season thus considerably blocking these academy players playing for their DR team as they had matches to play in on a Monday night. What had been a pretty well balanced system was thrown into chaos by the people supposed to be running the game. The victims of these political shenanigans have been the players not getting 'meaningful' league match experience and clubs like Hull Ionians who were not on a level playing field with other teams in the league. Not sure whether players are paid or not has much to do with this situation but pretty sure the Leicester Academy players who turned out in LS shirts are paid for their endeavours-not heard of any Premiership Academy playing for free.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 50 minutes ago at 22:07
Please do not be misguided in the numbers it was a total of 4 players that could play be that 4 DRs or 3 loans 1 dr or 3 loans that suddenly became 13 even with the current agreement you could have 9 non club players in your side
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 34 minutes ago at 22:23
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Please do not be misguided in the numbers it was a total of 4 players that could play be that 4 DRs or 3 loans 1 dr or 3 loans that suddenly became 13 even with the current agreement you could have 9 non club players in your side


I thought it was reverting to the old maximum of 4 DR/loan players in a team. That seemed reasonably balanced.

Agree, the DRs at Loughborough are certainly paid - by Leicester if not by Loughborough.

I think the criticism is that there are vast differences between the. Understand available to different teams causing an artificial imbalance which is much more evident than with the old system.
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