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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 11:03
I guess they're assuming Guernsey will fly into Stansted.  The alternative is to put Guernsey in with RP, Worthing and the Thames Valley clubs, and move OAs into East Anglia.  But given that this is just a draft and doesn't appear to have been shared with the clubs, I don't think it's worth getting too stressed about it at this stage.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Golden Jackal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 11:10
That would make far more sense! Flights into Stansted dont work in terms of being able to play the game on a Saturday without incurring one / possibly 2 nights on the island.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 11:50
The problem with making your own flight arrangements ,is you are then liable for any flight cancellations , also the cost of a later flight and we all know how often Guernsey gets fog bound.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Hooker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 12:16
It beggars belief that who ever put these groups together thinks it is workable, I reckon it was a blazer who set his grandson who was home schooling the task and had no interest in either Rugby or geography.

If no crowds allowed what is the point. Grrrrrrrrrr
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 17:28
Whoever put them together was neither at the RFU nor the NCA! It’s a draft structure being used as a discussion document! Stop giving it so much weight!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 20:04
Originally posted by Old Hooker Old Hooker wrote:

It beggars belief that who ever put these groups together thinks it is workable, I reckon it was a blazer who set his grandson who was home schooling the task and had no interest in either Rugby or geography.

If no crowds allowed what is the point. Grrrrrrrrrr


Nick, probably the same person who decided that scrum halves feeding the second row should not be penalised
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 20:05
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Whoever put them together was neither at the RFU nor the NCA! It’s a draft structure being used as a discussion document! Stop giving it so much weight!!


Nothing else to talk about, however bearing in mind the epidemic at Sale any rugby in the current season must be in doubt
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 20:07
Originally posted by Thunderbird Thunderbird wrote:

The problem with making your own flight arrangements ,is you are then liable for any flight cancellations , also the cost of a later flight and we all know how often Guernsey gets fog bound.


There is currently a 14 day quarantine for visitors to Guernsey (or at least there was last time I heard) - this would be a bigger barrier to Guernsey participating than which group they were in.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 21:22
Not from the Isle of Man! All clubs playing Guernsey just have to go via Douglas!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 10:21
Sounds a sensible plan, much more sensible than payers having to stay overnight and multiple long trips up, down and across the country which would happen if we played 1/2 a season of league matches.

Saves the clubs money, increases local derbies which should increase gates and keeps members/season ticket holders and sponsors happy.

Lower league football clubs are allowed to have spectators (some of these get close to 1000 people), no reason to think it will be any different for NCA rugby clubs.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tiger Dome 2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 10:52
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Whoever put them together was neither at the RFU nor the NCA! It’s a draft structure being used as a discussion document! Stop giving it so much weight!!

And discussing is what we are doing is it not ???? Get your “inside” contact at the NCA to read this thread. 

I would say not a single club agree with any groups ..... the problem with common sense is .... it’s not that common !!!!

Ludicrous that someone has even put it together as a draft, who wasted there time ????????
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:05
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Not from the Isle of Man! All clubs playing Guernsey just have to go via Douglas!


I know that but it is irrelevant as none of the N2S sides are based in IoM
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:06
Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

Sounds a sensible plan, much more sensible than payers having to stay overnight and multiple long trips up, down and across the country which would happen if we played 1/2 a season of league matches.

Saves the clubs money, increases local derbies which should increase gates and keeps members/season ticket holders and sponsors happy.

Lower league football clubs are allowed to have spectators (some of these get close to 1000 people), no reason to think it will be any different for NCA rugby clubs.



I agree - only needs the RFU/NCA to push the government for equality.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wigwam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:54
The geographic’s aside I’m surprised no one has mentioned the mismatches these leagues throw up. Potential points carnage in some cases. It will be like the old days Old Boys Somthingorother 0 Richmond 90 but every one had a nice lunch and a few beers. 
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I think after the last 12 hours and what's happened in the full time world of the Prem, you can forget any club rugby taking place until they have a vaccine.

Just the thought of 15 National 2 or 1 players calling into work on a Monday morning saying they have to spend the next 14 days in Isolation as we have a positive test and are very sorry but will not able to make it into work, will see the unemployment rate go up even more, I don't see too many employers in these times understanding or taking that call.
Thats without putting a call into the club they have played informing them their players may have the same problem!!

And don't forget its £100 a test  x a 20 man match day squad plus staff so that's  at least 25 x £100 for one test a week for a 1st xv or £10k a month. Clubs just do not have the funds to pay for that!!


Very sorry but if anybody thinks club rugby is starting anytime soon be it league or cup, I would suggest they have a think again, this season will not be played!

Might as well start to plan for 21/22 now  and get everything fully on track for a Sept 21 start.






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 23:23
Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

The geographic’s aside I’m surprised no one has mentioned the mismatches these leagues throw up. Potential points carnage in some cases. It will be like the old days Old Boys Somthingorother 0 Richmond 90 but every one had a nice lunch and a few beers. 


Unfortunately that is what happens with cup competitions - unless your opponents are at the same level.

IMO bin the season and prepare for next year where normality may well have returned.

If it hasn't it doesn't bear thinking about!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blutarsky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 20:58
Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Whoever put them together was neither at the RFU nor the NCA! It’s a draft structure being used as a discussion document! Stop giving it so much weight!!

And discussing is what we are doing is it not ???? Get your “inside” contact at the NCA to read this thread. 

I would say not a single club agree with any groups ..... the problem with common sense is .... it’s not that common !!!!

Ludicrous that someone has even put it together as a draft, who wasted there time ????????

The SW group is spot on, although not sure it's possible to get that one wrong...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 09:52
Which ever format the leagues take up , if we can play at all , there will be no traveling Subsidy from the RFU that includes flights and hotels. So every thing will have to be funded by the clubs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 09:55
Therefore any club playing Guersey, may as well not bother as the cost of getting there and staying over night will wipe out any cost benifit from previous fixtures.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 10:54
Not just Guernsey - but the Isle of Man clubs lower down the leagues.
At which point nobody at RFU should be taking any salary.
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