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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 02:09
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Thanks Danny boy. The video evidence will show if the ref was right. Interest only now but I will be happy to say I saw it wrong if that is the case. However to play with only14 men for 70 minutes of normal time and 20 minutes of extra time was a massive handicap. In the period when Caldy were down to 13 v 15 for Richmond they scored 3 points to nil. An outstanding effort from Caldy. A real shame.
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Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Imagine if Northern rugby had the resources Southern economy, I mean rugby has.

Rugby would be dead in the south east without the square mile

I have to take issue with this. We at Worthing are a seaside town and as a club have limited resources, but ran Richmond and Old Albanians close in the league. There is rugby outside of LondonClap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 08:32
Originally posted by Against the Head Against the Head wrote:

Originally posted by onthewayup onthewayup wrote:

Unlucky Caldy! you did us Northen lads proud , down to 14 as well. the "other " students didnt go up at their first attemptWink

good news, OA'S and Mond go up! Looking good for us Students next season!
 
Students? Joke!
 
Welsh Internationals (Ex), Game Keeper and White Line Markers employed by College but play in National League side.
 
Ex Worcester Hooker now contracted and is probaly sweeping the car parks during the week.
 
All the Rugby Clubs beware.  You have to make a profit to survive.
 
University sides topped up by Uni what ever happens providing they are successful.
 
Loughboro, Hartpury, then Exeter and Northunbria.
 
Next we will have the season starting in October to allow the "Students" to all start college and play in 12 Team Leagues with Friendlies on weeks off or even play Sevens against the Students to give them some fill in games.
 
When will the RFU wake up?  Rugby is for Rugby Clubs who sustain the game running four sides plus colts and M&J.  In the main they are sustainable but the march of Universities into the Leagues will undermine the game.

I just don't agree, I love the fact that Students are enriching the leagues. I look back to my own time at Uni, I loved my Uni team on Wednesdays and would have relished the chance to play competitive rugby with them on Saturdays. As it was I joined a local team rather than play in 3rd XV style friendlies with the hungover remnants of the BUSA side. 

These teams offer talented players the chance to play competitively, train like full time pros and perhaps study a little (let's face it many of these players might otherwise never be seen in the NAtional Leagues and stuck playing in Premiership A teams). If they supplement their team with some hired help then so be it, I can't speak for the Southern league but I certainly know some clubs pay players up here in the North! I also know that some clubs up here in the North rely on generous benefactors to provide the finance for this, no different to a Uni funding it.

In short, long live student involvement in the leagues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:05
I was very tired and emotional when I got back at 1.45 a.m. this morning and I was slurring my words a bit. Now after a few hours sleep and with a clearer head I can reflect on a momentous day.

Firstly the game

Today's Rugby Paper paints a picture of a misfiring Richmond and Caldy as gallant and plucky losers. I didn't see it that way. I thought Caldy were a significantly better side than Richmond and played virtually all the rugby. For large periods of normal time Caldy were doing all the pressing even when they were down to 13 men. In most areas of the game, the breakdown, at half back and in their kicking game Caldy were dominant but 13/14 against 15 for nearly 70 minutes of normal time saps the energy and I will agree that Richmond had a little extra zip in the final 20 minutes of extra time. 

I will want to see the red card incident in the match video just to satisfy myself as to its merits. By my reckoning the sending off was after 10 or 12 minutes of play rather than mid way through the first half. Such a huge call for an incident with absolutely no malice and caused by the momentum of the attacking player is just plain bonkers no matter what the RFU says. However minutes later, and right in front of the touch judge, Caldy left winger Andrew Barnish was laid out by a head high tackle where the Richmond player led with a straight arm and his forehead. No card, no penalty and I was incandescent.

The Caldy defence was extraordinary and Caldy outside centre Gavin Roberts, so renowned for his brilliant attacking skills gave a master class in defence where his absolutely text book tackling was perfection. Full back Andrew Soutar was the games most creative player with long raking kicks constantly turning the Richmond back three. Caldy scrum half John Broxon was significantly sharper than his opposite number and for 30 minutes until his injury, Caldy tighthead Derek Salisbury was the dominant forward on the pitch. Richmond could just not bring him down. I could go on and on about each of the Caldy players, all of whom I was immensely proud of, but I would like to particularly applaud 2nd row John Sewell who at 32 is one of the elder statesmen in a young side. 

Normally a back row player he has stepped in to the 2nd row and yesterday for me he was just immense. For 70 minutes , most of which was without his 2nd row partner, he gave one of the most momentous, committed and brave performances in the tight physical exchanges that I have ever seen on a rugby pitch. The intensity and emotion of it all reduced me to tears. 

The Caldy players care nothing for the tag of plucky and gallant losers. They came to win a game of rugby and they lost. They will be gutted that a game they should have won slipped away from them.

The crowd

The Rugby Paper had the crowd at 1600 which I thought was about right. However most of the noise for most of the game came from the 'Northern Hordes' which must have numbered about 50. By the end of normal time, the Richmond element who had seemed a little embarrassed by the excesses of the 'horde', found their voice which I think in extra time crucially spurred on their team.

The Welcome from Richmond RFC

The welcome and hospitality from all at Richmond RFC was as brilliant as you would expect and everyone I talked to was unfailingly courteous and friendly. Along with friends I attended the high quality pre match lunch in the impressive Richmond function room. It was a great occasion. How I wish we could reciprocate in our little wooden shack and treat Richmond President Robert Vallings and his friends to some of the famous Wylie home bred rabbit stew.

Apart from a couple of terrible jokes the loquacious Robert Vallings gave a good speech and I know that all the Caldy committee were just delighted to each receive an unsigned but bound hard back copy of the history of Richmond RFC. Retiring Caldy Secretary Roger Flashman very generously auctioned his copy on the bus back home and he is donating the winning bid, (which came from Degsy senior), back to Richmond RFC to help with their foray into National 1 next season. A half eaten pork pie and 13 pence is winging its way to Richmond as I speak.

Special mention must be made of the brilliant but short speech made by Caldy President Jim Churchill whose opening remarks saluting and drinking to Old Albanians winning of the National 2 South championship were met with polite but muted applause. Priceless!

Richmond Girl, Taz and the other Richmond members and supporters

Richmond Girl was as attractive, vivacious and alluring as many of us had imagined. I spotted her early and I was so pleased that we had not been short changed. I thought it was a terrific omen for a potentially great Caldy day. Although there was not a whiff or a splash of incontinence about Richmond Girl the same could not be said for all of the Richmond members (or for any of us travelling on the Caldy coach back up north).

I was sorry to keep misdirecting Richmond Girl's efforts to seek out Big Eddie but I felt I could not be trusted in her company for any length of time so I thought it best to introduce her to other substitute Big Eddies who may have possessed more control. Richmond Girl and her friends and Richmond player Will Warden and the rest of the Richmond squad took the majority of the Caldy players out on the town last night. I hope the Caldy boys reciprocated and gave Richmond Girl what she so richly deserved.

I also very much enjoyed the company of the very colourful Richmond member and former referee Tazz. Bedecked in Joseph's shirt of many colours and bearing more than a passing resemblance to that Attenborough actor fellow from Jurassic Park, he was such a delight to chat with before and after the game.

Finally it was great to chat with the fine fellows from Ealing RFC including their Chairman and President and of course Eel. Their compliments about the style and quality of Caldy's rugby seemed to be entirely genuine and when I passed these on to a group of somewhat dispirited players it gave them a lift. Thanks guys.

A fabulous day - pity about the result.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:29
Fantastic effort and performance, Ravers, your management, Caldy Members and other supporters.

Squad of the Match, Squad of this Season; Squad of a fantastic Caldy decade truly deserving of your own chapter in the soon to be published Caldy history; legends in your own lifetimes all.

I cannot think of a better advert for rugby than what happened yesterday; a display of skill, commitment, personal and team effort and emotion of the highest order which has left me - and I'm sure a good few - others, literally speechless!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:29
Originally posted by bringbackbuck bringbackbuck wrote:

Originally posted by Against the Head Against the Head wrote:

Originally posted by onthewayup onthewayup wrote:

Unlucky Caldy! you did us Northen lads proud , down to 14 as well. the "other " students didnt go up at their first attemptWink

good news, OA'S and Mond go up! Looking good for us Students next season!
 
Students? Joke!
 
Welsh Internationals (Ex), Game Keeper and White Line Markers employed by College but play in National League side.
 
Ex Worcester Hooker now contracted and is probaly sweeping the car parks during the week.
 
All the Rugby Clubs beware.  You have to make a profit to survive.
 
University sides topped up by Uni what ever happens providing they are successful.
 
Loughboro, Hartpury, then Exeter and Northunbria.
 
Next we will have the season starting in October to allow the "Students" to all start college and play in 12 Team Leagues with Friendlies on weeks off or even play Sevens against the Students to give them some fill in games.
 
When will the RFU wake up?  Rugby is for Rugby Clubs who sustain the game running four sides plus colts and M&J.  In the main they are sustainable but the march of Universities into the Leagues will undermine the game.

I just don't agree, I love the fact that Students are enriching the leagues. I look back to my own time at Uni, I loved my Uni team on Wednesdays and would have relished the chance to play competitive rugby with them on Saturdays. As it was I joined a local team rather than play in 3rd XV style friendlies with the hungover remnants of the BUSA side. 

These teams offer talented players the chance to play competitively, train like full time pros and perhaps study a little (let's face it many of these players might otherwise never be seen in the NAtional Leagues and stuck playing in Premiership A teams). If they supplement their team with some hired help then so be it, I can't speak for the Southern league but I certainly know some clubs pay players up here in the North! I also know that some clubs up here in the North rely on generous benefactors to provide the finance for this, no different to a Uni funding it.

In short, long live student involvement in the leagues.
Just phoned the Department of Education to ask if they would pay for several ex-internationals, a league high scorer, two artificial pitches and a new clubhouse for us. Apparently not!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 11:05
Bad luck Caldy, wish I'd come to watch too after seeing North Mids get smashed by Sarries South Africa 'A' Err.... Sorry, Hertfordshire in the Bill Beaumont Cup. Richmond vs Caldy sounded like a far better game. In fairness North Mids weren't that bad but Herts were pretty good.

P.S. We could still stay north after some sums. Lions just shade it on the easier/shorter journeys for me. Fatten up those Rabbits for our next visit. Pity it's not Richmond and we could have venison LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 11:52
Originally posted by Newt Newt wrote:

P.S. We could still stay north after some sums. Lions just shade it on the easier/shorter journeys for me. Fatten up those Rabbits for our next visit. Pity it's not Richmond and we could have venison LOL

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The draft NCA fixtures have you in 'North' and RL in 'South'. So its rabbit not venison ...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 12:59
woke up this morning with a hangover ,sore throat , and a huge sense of pride in the ravers one and all.Thanks to richmond for the warm reception ,great bunch of players ,great company/food before and after the game.good luck in nat 1.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 13:21
I have a very sore head matched only by an even sorer throat!

My heart rate returned to normal only after several restorative tinctures!Beer


Superb effort from Caldy and wonderful support from the hordes but it was not your day even though you played the better rugby. Red card, possibly, glad the ref consulted with the TJ .

The weight of the occasion got to our lads but as far as anyone from Richmond that matters not, it was a case of job done.

Shame I didn't get to meet any of my fellow RM'rs.

Good luck for next season Caldy, hope to see you in National One in 2014.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 13:50
the occasion did not get to richmond old chap ,they where not able to handle the smaller quicker caldy pack ,it was only when collister was red carded and degsey went off injured that the packs looked evenly matched and caldy where still able to turn the ball over through total commitment -the only time the mond pack was in control was in the last 4 or 5 mins when they controlled the ball and denied caldy possession when caldy where very tired which was an exellent tactic at that time.once degsey went off the scrum suffered,but broxson was tackling like a demented dwarf and denied quick use of the ball.great game shame we lost but the bus home was still an adventureBeer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 14:40
Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

Originally posted by Newt Newt wrote:

P.S. We could still stay north after some sums. Lions just shade it on the easier/shorter journeys for me. Fatten up those Rabbits for our next visit. Pity it's not Richmond and we could have venison LOL

Newt,

The draft NCA fixtures have you in 'North' and RL in 'South'. So its rabbit not venison ...


So I gather, just waiting for appeals now then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 15:03
Originally posted by Against the Head Against the Head wrote:

Originally posted by onthewayup onthewayup wrote:

Unlucky Caldy! you did us Northen lads proud , down to 14 as well. the "other " students didnt go up at their first attemptWink

good news, OA'S and Mond go up! Looking good for us Students next season!
 
Students? Joke!
 
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All the Rugby Clubs beware.  You have to make a profit to survive.
 
University sides topped up by Uni what ever happens providing they are successful.
 
Loughboro, Hartpury, then Exeter and Northunbria.
 
Next we will have the season starting in October to allow the "Students" to all start college and play in 12 Team Leagues with Friendlies on weeks off or even play Sevens against the Students to give them some fill in games.
 
When will the RFU wake up?  Rugby is for Rugby Clubs who sustain the game running four sides plus colts and M&J.  In the main they are sustainable but the march of Universities into the Leagues will undermine the game.

Compliments aplenty! I’m assuming you have been on the wrong end of a student revolt or two?I’ll accept that as “One Against The Head”

Next season we will only have current internationals, as DM is hanging up his boots!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 15:35
The Red Card photo courtesy of the Richmond web site. At that point horizontal and for me lowered safely to the ground. My view no red card but we will need to see the video to be sure.

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Interestingly the picture of Will Warden in the Rugby Paper wasn't even from yesterday's game it was a library shot from a previous match against opponents other than Caldy. 

A bit lame and disrespectful by the Rugby Paper.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 15:46
Big Eddie .. Take up the whistle my man. I'm afraid this photo proves nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 15:56
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Big Eddie .. Take up the whistle my man. I'm afraid this photo proves nothing.

I agree Puli we will need to see the video and the next phot frames to determine what happens next. However the horizontal position as shown was what I saw at the time and I was not surprised to see it in the photo. The refs view in a calm post match discussion was that it was very much a tip tackle although he did agree with me that if the tackled player remained horizontal and was lowered rather than being dropped it would have been a big but fair tackle. To be fair the tackled player immediately got to his feet and did not a meal of the incident and just got on with it.

It doesn't matter now but for my own interest I would like to see if my view at the time that the tackled player did not go past the horizontal and was lowered to the ground was correct.

It did very much change the game as Jack Collister is Caldy's biggest ball carrier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 16:00
But I trust you had a memorable trip there (and back!) congratulations to all concerned at Caldy RFC and I look forward to meeting up with you, Seagoon and pen 15 again next season.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 16:06
The photo gives an odd idea of the crowd comments suggest was big.

And presumably the pic of Warden wasn't back from his Luffbra days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 16:08
It was massive. As usual Pen 15's hospitality on the way down and the way back has led to some very sore heads this morning. Irish coffee, single malt whisky, absinthe, brandy, lager, beer, white wine and red wine together with almond and ginger cake do not make for a healthy mix!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2012 at 16:09
Originally posted by Newt Newt wrote:

Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

[QUOTE=Newt]

The draft NCA fixtures have you in 'North' and RL in 'South'. So its rabbit not venison ...

So I gather, just waiting for appeals now then.

 
Don't know if any appeal likely but those who have tried to replicate the RFU's procedure haven't come up with the same result.

I wonder if they would agree to early access if Leveson asked them nicely...


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