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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Hi Robb, think Welsh are Welsh i.e the 1st XV after the collapse of the previous body, aren't Irish Ams a separate entity now? Didn't Scottish rebrand the lowers XVs as the Lions. Allowing lower XVs in the RFu Leagues isn't new (see SW Leagues) in the North it is due to other organised Leagues Comps.
That's how they got around the rules. London Welsh Amateur were a separate club legally and just adopted the London Welsh name after the liquidation of the original club. Likewise LIARFC and the Scots have done that too. 


There was no 'getting around the rules'.
When LW went to the Premiership, that team were the lone entity. They are the ones that disappeared.
The 'original club' was always the other teams.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 13:51
If less travel is part of the objectives why not consider Nat 1 to be two conferences North and South, which is what the Championship is discussing. At present Nat 1 is becoming London Dominated and the cost of travel is horrendous for Northern clubs especially if the RFU reduce it further or even cancel it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 11:03
More propaganda in favour of ringfencing in TRP today. Lead article is a self interested rant by the Gloucester owner. I suppose he has to protect his business interests.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 16:49
Originally posted by Stoatgobbler Stoatgobbler wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

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That's how they got around the rules. London Welsh Amateur were a separate club legally and just adopted the London Welsh name after the liquidation of the original club. Likewise LIARFC and the Scots have done that too. 


There was no 'getting around the rules'.
When LW went to the Premiership, that team were the lone entity. They are the ones that disappeared.
The 'original club' was always the other teams.
Just to expand on this, the club (comprising the Amateurs, Occies, women, minis & juniors etc) wasn't liquidated. The professional entity - London Welsh Rugby Football Club Limited - was.  Where you draw the line between the entities is blurred - of course the 1st XV was part of the club, but it was a separate limited company with its own (limited) assets and (extensive) liabilities.  At that point the Amateurs became the defacto 1st XV by virtue of being the most senior team at the club. But good luck unpicking the history of those 20 years between the formation of the first limited company (I can think of at least three) and the liquidation of the last one, the transfer of assets to the CASC, and the legal and RFU definition of what a rugby club is.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Stoatgobbler Stoatgobbler wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

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That's how they got around the rules. London Welsh Amateur were a separate club legally and just adopted the London Welsh name after the liquidation of the original club. Likewise LIARFC and the Scots have done that too. 


There was no 'getting around the rules'.
When LW went to the Premiership, that team were the lone entity. They are the ones that disappeared.
The 'original club' was always the other teams.


Just to expand on this, the club (comprising the Amateurs, Occies, women, minis & juniors etc) wasn't liquidated. The professional entity - London Welsh Rugby Football Club Limited - was.  Where you draw the line between the entities is blurred - of course the 1st XV was part of the club, but it was a separate limited company with its own (limited) assets and (extensive) liabilities.  At that point the Amateurs became the defacto 1st XV by virtue of being the most senior team at the club. But good luck unpicking the history of those 20 years between the formation of the first limited company (I can think of at least three) and the liquidation of the last one, the transfer of assets to the CASC, and the legal and RFU definition of what a rugby club is.


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Nottingham did a similar thing when we had to move from Ireland Avenue and the championship was started by the RFU Council , the whole club i.e members players mini and juniors etc were advised of the thinking and a meeting was held for everyone to discuss and vote on the proposal of setting the 1st team up as limited co to protect the rest of the club and its assets if the whole crackpot idea of the championship blew up
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