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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 13:10
Ian Carvell was not coach of the successful Coventry Colts teams of the nineties, the coaches were former players Clive Davies and Stuart Hall. I recall Ian Carvell being Director of Youth Rugby or some similar title during the Derek Eves and Gerry Sugrue era.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 13:26
Sorry - you're quitre correct. I am sure that was his title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 13:31
For those who are interest...the full storey of the Lions is now on the Rugby Advertiser website - free of charge!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 13:42
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Bit of hypothesis here, but if Mal Malik and his team were never paid are they creditors or do they still have legal right over the name and ground?
If it's the latter can they not carry on with the club under the old name, or is it too late for that?
 
The previous owner of the Lions was David Owen. He had directors running it for him; I dont believe MM ever owned anything so would not be owed anything. Whatever else, DO is a shrewd businessman and it is quite likely that the contract would be clear that ownership of the assets didn't pass to the new owner till they had been paid for. It is possible therefore he still owns the assets.
 
I believe the ground is on lease from the council. If the rent hasn't been paid then that would revert to the council. There is nothing to stop another from then renting the facility.
 
There have been many itterations of the Club name over the years in various limited companies. However I dont believe the "Rugby Lions" name is of itself an asset of the limited company so could very psooibly be used again.
 
It would be theoretically possible for David Owen to pick up the reins again, perhaps with MM running it for him. That would save the club but it'd be back again to the bad old days. If you want to aggravate Lions supporters then just suggest that MM might be coming back! Whether DO has the heart and energy for that is another matter as he was trying to sell the club for some time.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 15:33
There can be no doubt that Rugby Lions RUFC no longer exists. The liquidator will sell off any remaining assets for the benefit of the creditors.
Anybody picking up the pieces will have to found a new club (as with Glasgow Rangers)
Come on RFU/NCA tell us what you are going to do. At the moment you are one club short for N2S

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 15:35
Originally posted by purebob purebob wrote:

http:///www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-18901930

Reported on the Beeb too now
 
Not a good link
 
 
 
Here is the story.
 
20 July 2012 Last updated at 13:17

 

Rugby Lions club goes into liquidation

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A Warwickshire rugby club has gone into liquidation after 139 years.

The Rugby Lions Club, based in Rugby, won promotion to National League Two South after going unbeaten all season.

The club, which had been due to start the new season in September, was bought by former player Michael Aland last year. He was unavailable for comment.

The Insolvency Service confirmed the Rugby Lions had gone into liquidation, which followed persistent reports of financial troubles at the club.

Head coach and former England international Neil Back left in June to become forwards coach at Edinburgh.

Club official Rick Beresford said there could be a campaign to try to keep the club running.

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Sad for all the people involved.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 15:48
Originally posted by Tiger Tiger wrote:

There can be no doubt that Rugby Lions RUFC no longer exists. The liquidator will sell off any remaining assets for the benefit of the creditors.
Anybody picking up the pieces will have to found a new club (as with Glasgow Rangers)
Come on RFU/NCA tell us what you are going to do. At the moment you are one club short for N2S

 
It would appear that an insolvency event has occurred and the regulations will apply.
 
I assume that the RFU (Governance and Competition) will be meeting with both NCA Rugby and Representatives of Rugby Lions.
 
If they can put together a side for the 1st September that side according to the regulations will have a - 30 point deduction.
 
I am not sure if that can or will be increased if Rugby Lions do not comply with the regulations relating to Rugby Creditors and if the poosters are correct that may be substantial.
 
Not a happy state of affairs when RL had such high hopes in JUly last year and then had an unbeaten season to be promoted.
 
Putting that aside the way they appear to have done this has penalised the side that was third in National 3 Midlands who would have had a play off against the same side that Dudley did and may have been promoted to National 2.  Depending upon their location they may have been in N 2 N.
 
How would you feel about that if it was your Club and you had been cheated out of promotion.
 
It is a mess and it is caused by one person who hoodwinked the previous owners of Rugby Football Club.  Would a decent bit of due diligence found him out?
 
Who was responsible for the due diligence?
 
Not the RFU or NCA Rugby but the previous owners legal and accounting team.
 
The RFU and NCA Rugby are having to pick up the pieces of something that was not put together as it should have been done before they got to this stage. Ouch
 
Sounds like the man at London Welsh/London Scottish all over again.
 
Perhaps we will get a Fit and Proper Person Test for transfers of ownership from now on. Embarrassed
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 16:40
Or Warwickshire cup! It leaves a nasty taste!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 18:20
If a team can play in a Midlands league and get 800+ people coming to support them, I'm sure they'll have a big enough fan base to keep the club going. The club is at the heart of the town, so I can't see them folding, especially when they have a good youth and colts team that produce stars like Ellis and Davies. They were a club with no money before this saga and they'll be a club after. Also saw Brocky in town this week, so things can't all be bad!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 18:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYdCQm2-B4E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This is an interesting watch...tweeted by the marketing guy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:19
Originally posted by Scraps Scraps wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYdCQm2-B4E&feature=youtube_gdata_player



This is an interesting watch...tweeted by the marketing guy!


Apologies to anyone who works in Marketing but what a complete and utter load of b***ocks.

Spend 2 days in Rugby when you fly half way round the world to watch the World Cup. I think the Peroni has pickled their brains.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:26
Still dreaming!!! lion's reborn in midlands 8 west south south would they still get 800+? RFU set a deadline then promote who ever lost playoff
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:29

I admire the optimism! I think the town has fantastic potential...however, you will notice reference is made to the state of the pitch and the funding, this was done very recently!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 19:33
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Still not convinced here with respect?

What a loose mistified term then "professionalism" is then?

If a amateur club wants to pay a lad(s) may it be petrol money or beer/tokens or peanuts etc this surley could be classed as a gift of genuin help to someone who plays for a club but works elsewhere for a living ,ie amateur


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 21:44
Originally posted by Scraps Scraps wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYdCQm2-B4E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This is an interesting watch...tweeted by the marketing guy!
Interesting?! INTERESTING?!!!!!!
IT'S FRUIT LOOP HILARIOUS! Or it would be if it wasn't so tragic. From the content to the quality of the video (Being in the TV industry) I think that the production was appallingly bad, and the content was cringingly awful. If that was my marketing company, I think....... no.... I know..... I would sack them on the spot.

That video is a prime example of B.S.B.B (B*LL S**t Baffles Brains) Dear God, I am staggered at the..... now here's a test for the fruit filter..... snakefruitS spouted in this AMATEUR video.

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Remarkable how anyone could be taken in by this/these people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 22:12
The only thing that the video achieved was that the Council have agreed to mow the pitch.

As for the content of the video, the kindest thing I can say is that I agree with Newt.

I think it must have formed part of the scheme that signalled the last throw of the dice that has been tweeted this past week. If that is representative of the quality of the content and presentation standards there is little wonder that the project has failed to attract funding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 22:38
I was going to add more but it's late and anger at how many have been duped by people may lead me to say something that I should not.
suffice to say, I am appalled at the situation that has led to the demise of such a famous club.

Let us not imagine that any of us are immune from being sucked in by promises of glory. But for the grace of all that is holy, go all of us. 

Let common sense, for the sake of Community rugby prevail.

Good night, and good luck.
Edward R. Murrow via Brian Moore @tafkabrianmoore one time rugby player. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 23:09
The video on YouTube is a disgrace. There is no mention of the players or staff that put in all the hard work throughout the year. The council member, Craig Humphrey has been contacted and has not responded. No one at the club can get hold of MA. There have also been emails that are threatening players with legal action for telling the press or mentioning anything on Facebook or twitter as it will potentially ruin ongoing negotiations. What a crock. It's been over a year. Sort your life out. Pay your staff and let us move on with our lives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 11:00
If you put up the video on UTube there are two videos that appear on the side. Ade Hales and Andy Vilk
 
Much better watching than this nonsense and perhaps the only legacy of any value!
 
 


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