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    Posted: 24 Jan 2019 at 17:05
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It's one of the main reasons National League rugby is so much more entertaining. 
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Oh because they are so small? I don't know what level you watch but the players I see are bleeding monoliths. As such I disagree with you on that i.e. reduced size and more speed. The merits of Union vs League I am sure has been discussed elsewhere so I won't go into that here.

I think, and it is only my opinion, that these injuries are becoming more common because of the obsession to tackle man and ball thus preventing offloads. If the game was to revert back to trusting the man on your shoulder to tackle the next player, thus leaving you to tackle in the classic manner as taught back in the day, and so on until an error is forced or a pass is intercepted we may well find less of these injuries.
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Its not an "obsession" with bulk, its what works and wins matches. When some coach comes up with a side that wins titles & cups by speed & handling then other coaches will follow suit. 
University sides with 1st class fixture lists used to compete in this manner relying on their speed and fitness because they didn't have the bulk. 
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The old adage, " a good big'un will always beat a good little 'un"

However, that does not mean big is good.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Oh because they are so small? I don't know what level you watch but the players I see are bleeding monoliths. As such I disagree with you on that i.e. reduced size and more speed. The merits of Union vs League I am sure has been discussed elsewhere so I won't go into that here.

I think, and it is only my opinion, that these injuries are becoming more common because of the obsession to tackle man and ball thus preventing offloads. If the game was to revert back to trusting the man on your shoulder to tackle the next player, thus leaving you to tackle in the classic manner as taught back in the day, and so on until an error is forced or a pass is intercepted we may well find less of these injuries.

No not because they are small. Some of the players I watch in NL1 are indeed enormous. The difference in my opinion is that being part-timers with the majority having day jobs they spend far less time in the gym than the full-time pros and the majority of their limited training sessions concentrate on on the field skills which in my opinion makes the games more entertaining.  
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Having watched Coventry in NL1 last season, and in the Championship this season, it is absolutelyclear that in general the Championship squads have bigger players than in NL1.

Some of the larger players are just as speedy and skillful as in NL1 - and in general where they are the larger Championbship player has a noticeable advantage over an equal;ly skillful smaller NL1 player. Our squad has had to adapt and change, probably more than was expected. 
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It's now a professional game with all the advantage of modern nutrition and strength and conditioning coaching and it's a contact sport therefore of course players have increased in size.

The key is what WR can do to decrease the incidence in injury. As well as looking at tackle height they really need to take a more stringent approach to late tackles sand reckless play at the breakdown.

One of the more obvious solutions is to reduce the amount of matches played. Reduce the top league to 10 teams. 18 league games plus Europe plus international is more than enough. Get rid of the mostly pointless domestic cups and create a proper B/U23 league or alternatively just stop teams hoarding players and let them play elsewhere instead of sitting around in academies

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Players used to lie on the "wrong side" to build a barrier between the opposition and their own side. The remedy was to ruck them out of the way. Then use of the boot was outlawed. Not sure if you can still ruck a player as long as it is in a backwards direction and not near the head ?
Now players reach over from their own side and clamp the ball exposing the back of their head and neck to the opposition flying in and crashing them out of the way.Which is better ?
I'd say go back to rucking but make all players wear moulded round studded boots ( not blades ).  
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