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    Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 09:28
I have been informed by someone who's knowledge and credentials I hold in high regard that Sale have written to the NCA to inform them that Sale has withdrawn from the Agreement to limit the number of DR/Loan players in a National 1 match day squad to 6

If this is true it is both a worrying and disappointing development. 

Can you confirm this Jimbo?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 10:04
The person who informed me has very significant credibility and I would not expect him to inform me if he wasn't certain of his facts. However I would like Jimbo's confirmation on this matter and perhaps a brief explanation as to the rationale for breaking an Agreement.

This appears to be pretty much against everything most of us stand for as rugby people but maybe there is a plausible and reasonable explanation other than ..'win at all costs and to hell with the niceties of voluntary agreements and the spirit of the game and all it stands for'

If what I have been told is true perhaps Jimbo has already penned his resignation letter from Sale FC
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 11:02
Just for clarity Sale FC had 3 EAP in their squad on Saturday before everyone goes into meltdown
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 11:23
Rabbie,

For me the DR/Loan issue is important but even more important is understanding why a club would break an Agreement.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 11:28
That’s okay Eddie i understand where you are coming from only the club can answer that would assume that others may follow if they have the ability
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 13:42
I haven't checked myself but my information is that Sale FC had 8 DR/Loan Players in the match day squad for their last home match against Cinderford on 5th Janaury . 

The NCA informed National 1 clubs that Sale were withdrawing from the Agreement to limit the number of DR/Loan players to 6 in a match day squad on Thursday 10th January.

I am not aware whether Sale FC told the NCA about their decision to withdraw from the Agreement before or after the Cinderford match. It is not fundamentally important either way but it may be indicative of whether Sale FC informed the NCA to regularise a position that arose because of an oversight against Cinderford or was a statement of intent of how they intend to move forward for the rest of the season.

I am sure Jimbo will let us all know at some point.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finkleman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 13:45
Is that contrary to League Rules - or is it just a Gentleman`s Agreement?? If the former, surely they will have to forfeit points??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BeeBumble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 14:02
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

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The NCA informed National 1 clubs that Sale were withdrawing from the Agreement to limit the number of DR/Loan players to 6 in a match day squad on Thursday 10th January.

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Time to change the title of the thread to remove the uncertainty, then Wink
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Sale FC team on 5th Jan contained 6EAPs and no loans. So as yet haven’t broken the “Gentleman’s Agreement”
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Sale FC team on 5th Jan contained 6EAPs and no loans. So as yet haven’t broken the “Gentleman’s Agreement”

Thanks for your research Rabbie.

To me that then indicates that moving forward Sale FC propose to play up to 8 DR/Loan players in their match day squad. Does this completely blow up the Agreement that National 1 clubs had come to before the start of the season?

It will be a pity if it does because it may well now start the 'Arms Race'. Perhaps it will not if all the other National 1 clubs can just recognise that Sale FC are a special case and really need up to 8 DR/Loan players because they are newbies and not as well resourced or established as the other clubs in the league........like CaldyLOL

It would have been so much better if we could have all played nicely


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Presumably this is Diamond beefing up Sale FC to ensure they are not relegated
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yorky10000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 11:11
I'm not sure that beefing up is the correct description here. I dont know who all the 6 EAP players are - but lets consider the ones I do know. Wilkinson has payed most of season and is class. Doherty played a few, looks class and has been sent off. Redpath played once on return from injury - average. I believe the hooker Dolly is EAP but has barely played and I'm sure that Neil Briggs is preferred - he is by me anyway!!. Other than the mathematics (i.e is 6 mainly average players any different from 8 similar players) is there really a problem?

They are not exactly introducing world beaters. I think the issue may be that injury cover is thin/inadequate and certainly the scrummage is suffering greatly. The former Northampton guy at Ampthill thought all his birthdays had come at once the other week. So if we suddenly find some grumpy Georgian props turning out in the next few weeks you may have a point.

Whilst its not an issue for this board, where/when do fringe premiership players get a game if they dont turn out in the Championship/National 1. Sale jets seem to play about 6 times a season. Its a bit bizarre.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yorky10000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 11:12
Woops - a freudian slip. Wilkinson has played not payed!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finkleman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 11:09
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Call me Old Fashioned, but if there`s a rule in place, I find it odd that you feel it`s OK to flout that rule because of injuries??  All clubs have injury issues and have to make do, either by playing 2nd or 3rd team players in the 1st team or playing people out of position.  The fact that they aren`t `World Beaters` is totally irrelevant. One rule for Sale and another for all other clubs?? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 11:28
There are rules put in place by RFU  and if you break those you lose points.
Then there is the NCA clubs gentleman's agreement and if you break that you are not a gentleman.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JJC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 15:15
Is this NCA 'Gentleman's Agreement' the case for both Nat 1 & 2 ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yorky10000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 15:41
Fair point Finkleman. I think I am trying somewhat ineffectively to put forward my view that the rule is a bit daft and I was also trying to contradict the beefing up point?

As someone put it earlier in the season, the most serious effect may be to P off the players who would be expecting to come in.

I'm sure you have debated the rules of registered players, and/or whether there should be any, long and hard on this forum. I will retreat to a safe distance.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 16:31
In addition, the following apply to NationalLeague Clubs
• NoClubshall knowingly play in any match players who have been suspended or expelled by the RFU
• A Club may not play or select as a replacement or substitute more than two foreign
players in any match.
• In National 1, Clubs may have no more than three Loan Players and not more than eight England Academy Players under the age of 24 as at 1 September 2018 in their match squads
• In National 2 Clubs may have up to four players from other Clubs of which no more than three shall be Loan Players and the others (up to the maximum of four) must be England Academy Players under the age of 24 as at 1 September 2018
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 17:38
Originally posted by yorky10000 yorky10000 wrote:

Fair point Finkleman. I think I am trying somewhat ineffectively to put forward my view that the rule is a bit daft and I was also trying to contradict the beefing up point?

As someone put it earlier in the season, the most serious effect may be to P off the players who would be expecting to come in.

I'm sure you have debated the rules of registered players, and/or whether there should be any, long and hard on this forum. I will retreat to a safe distance.




Indeed time and time and time again. It appears to be at the very top of certain peoples agendas.
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