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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:55
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

WE, from your reply I suspect there is no photo with each registration. Therefore it would be relatively easy for a club to register a couple of names as players which don't actually exist. They could then play ringers under these names assuming they weren't well known faces.

Photos at registration would of course easily eliminate this loophole.

No, they wouldn't. There are frequent court cases regarding impersonation of people taking driving tests which also indicate, dues to the fact that the perpetrators are often found to carry this out regularly and repeatedly, on a commercial basis, that people often get away with it in that much more regulated field.

Far more use would be the fear that if caught the response to such a premeditated offence would be expulsion of the club from the RFU, and a permanent ban of all involved officials from involvement in the sport at any role or level. 

People make mistakes, and misjudgements, which can result in breeches of regualtions, and are duly punished for them when/if discovered. However, conspiring as a group within a club to take a premeditated action to cheat in  the manner suggested is not a temporary lapse, or a mistake, and so should be treated in that draconiam manner.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 13:00
Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by acro prop acro prop wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Regardless of the plus/minus points of the actually system in place it surely can't help with team cohesion when you are chopping and changing the side so frequently. It always helps to know your team mates strengths and weaknesses and be used to how they play. The disruption this season seems to have affected Sale FC negatively as most were expecting them to be up at the top end potentially fighting for promotion.
Relevant post CF...watch the games from last season and this season on the jets site(exfc).....one glaring difference....apart from the new players.

Yep one glaring difference, this season we're in National 1 and last season we were in National 2.  It's  a whole lot different.
Of course we might have been in National One last year had we not received a yellow card in the playoff......
ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBAbn8-ICVg  (1min 24 secs) only just noticed this personal attack on my son again about the yellow card. discussed it with the coaching staff after analysis of the game and they described it as one of the best try saving tackles they"d ever seen....judge for yourselves. god help the club and the kids if that is the way you treat your players with a blame culture Mr President.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 13:41
Have had a look and it doesn't look like a yellow card to me. 
Also Jimbojetset doesn't appear to be apportioning blame to whoever received the yellow ( your son reading between the lines). He appears to be questioning it along with yourself so looks like you both agree to me. Just a neutral observation.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 14:54
Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

Have had a look and it doesn't look like a yellow card to me. 
Also Jimbojetset doesn't appear to be apportioning blame to whoever received the yellow ( your son reading between the lines). He appears to be questioning it along with yourself so looks like you both agree to me. Just a neutral observation.  
I take your point but you have to know the circumstances of this story...take it from me he quite clearly insinuating that my son was to blame for the missed promotion that year....and I thought rugby was a team game, apparently not at the jets. I apologise to every member on this forum for the outbursts it was never my intention to air dirty laundry in such a public way..yes! as a club member I was angry at what went on at the club and voiced my opinion months ago and was happy to have left it there . There was no personal malice to any one individual, but when the president brought two personal slurs against my son....im sorry....like any father I WILL defend him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 15:25
acroprop 

is our lad the 9?

firstly great sweeping, pace to get there.....but it is a penno and a yellow 

he tackled him over the shoulder and ripped him to the ground by the scruff of his collar at the base of his neck

in this day and age, that is a penalty

he stopped a try scoring opportunity through a deemed illegal tackle 

i still think it was great and it all happens spo quickly, there was no malice

iasnt your lad at macc now? is he enjoying it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 15:29
Acro,

I was at that game and your lad's tackle saved a certain try. At the time I thought it was a legitimate seat belt tackle [however reading Rat Boy's post I may have that completely wrong in terms of current laws!] and I was surprised at the card. For what it's worth Sale played the wrong tactics and persisted with them for the full 80 minutes. Your lad's verve and pace was one of the few bright spots for Sale. I am surprised that he isn't a fixture in the match day 22 this season.

Stay cool, Sale Sharks/Sale FC are pursuing a different rugby and business model to most other clubs outside of the Premiership. It may work for them in terms of their collective strategic ambitions but it will probably see wholesale changes next year. I would guess that whatever league Sale FC find themselves in some of that £15m+ from CVC finds its way to generating a Championship level budget for the Sharks reserve squad at Heywood Road.

Where is your lad playing now?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 16:18
Originally posted by RatBoy RatBoy wrote:

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is our lad the 9?

firstly great sweeping, pace to get there.....but it is a penno and a yellow 

he tackled him over the shoulder and ripped him to the ground by the scruff of his collar at the base of his neck

in this day and age, that is a penalty

he stopped a try scoring opportunity through a deemed illegal tackle 

i still think it was great and it all happens spo quickly, there was no malice

iasnt your lad at macc now? is he enjoying it?
I thought exactly the same after watching it back today RB...but at the time rules were not as they are today for the higt tackle...plus if you slo mo it looks much better and yes hes at macc now...took him a couple month to get his head right and loving it there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 16:23
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

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I was at that game and your lad's tackle saved a certain try. At the time I thought it was a legitimate seat belt tackle [however reading Rat Boy's post I may have that completely wrong in terms of current laws!] and I was surprised at the card. For what it's worth Sale played the wrong tactics and persisted with them for the full 80 minutes. Your lad's verve and pace was one of the few bright spots for Sale. I am surprised that he isn't a fixture in the match day 22 this season.

Stay cool, Sale Sharks/Sale FC are pursuing a different rugby and business model to most other clubs outside of the Premiership. It may work for them in terms of their collective strategic ambitions but it will probably see wholesale changes next year. I would guess that whatever league Sale FC find themselves in some of that £15m+ from CVC finds its way to generating a Championship level budget for the Sharks reserve squad at Heywood Road.

Where is your lad playing now?
thank you for the post BE if you look back at this weeks posts I think youll get the picture...hes at Macc now and loving it even though they are struggling a bit,,,still have faith of staying up as actually they are playing well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 17:57
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

WE, from your reply I suspect there is no photo with each registration. Therefore it would be relatively easy for a club to register a couple of names as players which don't actually exist. They could then play ringers under these names assuming they weren't well known faces.

Photos at registration would of course easily eliminate this loophole.

No, they wouldn't. There are frequent court cases regarding impersonation of people taking driving tests which also indicate, dues to the fact that the perpetrators are often found to carry this out regularly and repeatedly, on a commercial basis, that people often get away with it in that much more regulated field.

Far more use would be the fear that if caught the response to such a premeditated offence would be expulsion of the club from the RFU, and a permanent ban of all involved officials from involvement in the sport at any role or level. 

People make mistakes, and misjudgements, which can result in breeches of regualtions, and are duly punished for them when/if discovered. However, conspiring as a group within a club to take a premeditated action to cheat in  the manner suggested is not a temporary lapse, or a mistake, and so should be treated in that draconiam manner.

My point exactly Old Nick. A similar thing of course happened at London Welsh a few years ago where a club official falsified documents to make a player eligible and was subsequently banned for life by the RFU. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 18:04
Originally posted by acro prop acro prop wrote:

Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

Have had a look and it doesn't look like a yellow card to me. 
Also Jimbojetset doesn't appear to be apportioning blame to whoever received the yellow ( your son reading between the lines). He appears to be questioning it along with yourself so looks like you both agree to me. Just a neutral observation.  
I take your point but you have to know the circumstances of this story...take it from me he quite clearly insinuating that my son was to blame for the missed promotion that year....and I thought rugby was a team game, apparently not at the jets. I apologise to every member on this forum for the outbursts it was never my intention to air dirty laundry in such a public way..yes! as a club member I was angry at what went on at the club and voiced my opinion months ago and was happy to have left it there . There was no personal malice to any one individual, but when the president brought two personal slurs against my son....im sorry....like any father I WILL defend him.

Personally (and like many others I would suspect) I would have been none the wiser had you not drawn  attention to the matter with your (in my opinion) rather bizarre allegations.

Maybe that would have been better for all concerned? Including most importantly your son.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 21:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 21:18
I know for a fact that this is wrong and that he holds him in very high regard. Your interpretation of what was posted and events is not correct and knowing Jimbojetset personally I know your comments are an unfair reflection of him. Your son was and still is loved by all at Sale FC Rugby. He’s a cracking lad and the members fully appreciated what he has done whilst playing at the club, he will always be welcomed back with open arms. I understand that when it comes to our kids things can be quite emotive, but I can assure you that in this case you mistaken.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 21:24
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by acro prop acro prop wrote:

Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

Have had a look and it doesn't look like a yellow card to me. 
Also Jimbojetset doesn't appear to be apportioning blame to whoever received the yellow ( your son reading between the lines). He appears to be questioning it along with yourself so looks like you both agree to me. Just a neutral observation.  
I take your point but you have to know the circumstances of this story...take it from me he quite clearly insinuating that my son was to blame for the missed promotion that year....and I thought rugby was a team game, apparently not at the jets. I apologise to every member on this forum for the outbursts it was never my intention to air dirty laundry in such a public way..yes! as a club member I was angry at what went on at the club and voiced my opinion months ago and was happy to have left it there . There was no personal malice to any one individual, but when the president brought two personal slurs against my son....im sorry....like any father I WILL defend him.

Personally (and like many others I would suspect) I would have been none the wiser had you not drawn  attention to the matter with your (in my opinion) rather bizarre allegations.

Maybe that would have been better for all concerned? Including most importantly your son.
You seem to be missing something here mr evans a little bit like the "if" posting you clearly missed yesterday...specsavers are doing free eye tests. As far as I was concerned this matter was far from my mind for the last 3 months until jimbo brought it up. Now you a prolonging it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 21:39
Originally posted by Big Jock Lad Big Jock Lad wrote:

I know for a fact that this is wrong and that he holds him in very high regard. Your interpretation of what was posted and events is not correct and knowing Jimbojetset personally I know your comments are an unfair reflection of him. Your son was and still is loved by all at Sale FC Rugby. He’s a cracking lad and the members fully appreciated what he has done whilst playing at the club, he will always be welcomed back with open arms. I understand that when it comes to our kids things can be quite emotive, but I can assure you that in this case you mistaken.
I know my son is a good lad and always was a good club man at Sale...that's why ive taken to reply to criticism of him on a public forum..if jimbo can explain who he meant that threw his teddy out of his pram and why the yellow card cost the promotion two years ago.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 21:55
Could it be that Jimbo was maybe critical of the decision and that you have misinterpreted? #askingforafriend
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 22:23
Originally posted by Big Jock Lad Big Jock Lad wrote:

Could it be that Jimbo was maybe critical of the decision and that you have misinterpreted? #askingforafriend
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2019 at 12:41
Originally posted by acro prop acro prop wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by acro prop acro prop wrote:

Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

Have had a look and it doesn't look like a yellow card to me. 
Also Jimbojetset doesn't appear to be apportioning blame to whoever received the yellow ( your son reading between the lines). He appears to be questioning it along with yourself so looks like you both agree to me. Just a neutral observation.  
I take your point but you have to know the circumstances of this story...take it from me he quite clearly insinuating that my son was to blame for the missed promotion that year....and I thought rugby was a team game, apparently not at the jets. I apologise to every member on this forum for the outbursts it was never my intention to air dirty laundry in such a public way..yes! as a club member I was angry at what went on at the club and voiced my opinion months ago and was happy to have left it there . There was no personal malice to any one individual, but when the president brought two personal slurs against my son....im sorry....like any father I WILL defend him.

Personally (and like many others I would suspect) I would have been none the wiser had you not drawn  attention to the matter with your (in my opinion) rather bizarre allegations.

Maybe that would have been better for all concerned? Including most importantly your son.
You seem to be missing something here mr evans a little bit like the "if" posting you clearly missed yesterday...specsavers are doing free eye tests. As far as I was concerned this matter was far from my mind for the last 3 months until jimbo brought it up. Now you a prolonging it.

Predictably the insults now start.

Your son must be so proud of you.
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