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I always thought the demise of the Intermediate Cup was a sad thing. Or am I the only one interested to see new and unknown opposition?

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Originally posted by carlos fandango carlos fandango wrote:

I always thought the demise of the Intermediate Cup was a sad thing. Or am I the only one interested to see new and unknown opposition?

The Intermediate Cup still exists, it's just played for between clubs at London 2 level. Tunbridge Wells won it in 2016 and Charlton Park made the final this year.
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I meant for clubs at  this level, but point taken.

Is the final still at twickenham? I remember when we got there in 2003 (I think). One of the best days out and blurred memories since.
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Yes it is. Tunbridge Wells took 9,000 fans there I recall.

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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by carlos fandango carlos fandango wrote:

I always thought the demise of the Intermediate Cup was a sad thing. Or am I the only one interested to see new and unknown opposition?

The Intermediate Cup still exists, it's just played for between clubs at London 2 level. Tunbridge Wells won it in 2016 and Charlton Park made the final this year.
To be a bit more accurate it is open to clubs in all the Level Seven leagues and is played on a regional basis.
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Originally posted by FEZ ANT PLUCKER FEZ ANT PLUCKER wrote:

Originally posted by FEZ ANT PLUCKER FEZ ANT PLUCKER wrote:

Originally posted by Stallion Stallion wrote:

Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Bottom 3 

Towcestrians ( Welcome to the strongest league of the 4 at this level)


What do you base that statement on?
Stallion.... I agree with you. That is a very bold if not audacious statement to make. It is a 'perceived and somewhat arrogant' perception held by many. I am interested if there are any comparables out there to support the view or at lease substantiate the claim. 
At L4 we know that OE's beat Sale in last seasons play-off, however the season before Bishops Stortford lost to Ampthill in the same play-off. Where are the comparables at L5.? OK, Wimbledon comprehensively disposed of Dings Crusaders last season, but the season before Barnstaple took the honours with a win at TJ's. Are there any other comparables of fixtures between N3LSE and N3Mids, N3SW, and N3N teams.

I am particularly interested to know of any L5 wins over other L5 regional opposition which might support or refute the claim. Dorking had a good win last weekend 29-10 at Luctonians in a pre-season friendly, but that does not mean the result would have been the same had the fixture been at Sandal, Peterborough Lions, or Camborne. Food for thought?  


Precisely, FEZ ANT PLUCKER.

The concept of an inter- regional level 5 competition does have some merit but with 56 clubs to accomodate may prove to be difficullt logistically.

Bees play Luctonians on Friday. That result might compare us to Dorking Embarrassed
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Originally posted by FEZ ANT PLUCKER FEZ ANT PLUCKER wrote:

Originally posted by Stallion Stallion wrote:

Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Bottom 3 

Towcestrians ( Welcome to the strongest league of the 4 at this level)


What do you base that statement on?
Stallion.... I agree with you. That is a very bold if not audacious statement to make. It is a 'perceived and somewhat arrogant' perception held by many. I am interested if there are any comparables out there to support the view or at lease substantiate the claim. 
At L4 we know that OE's beat Sale in last seasons play-off, however the season before Bishops Stortford lost to Ampthill in the same play-off. Where are the comparables at L5.? OK, Wimbledon comprehensively disposed of Dings Crusaders last season, but the season before Barnstaple took the honours with a win at TJ's. Are there any other comparables of fixtures between N3LSE and N3Mids, N3SW, and N3N teams.

I am particularly interested to know of any L5 wins over other L5 regional opposition which might support or refute the claim. Dorking had a good win last weekend 29-10 at Luctonians in a pre-season friendly, but that does not mean the result would have been the same had the fixture been at Sandal, Towcestrians, or Camborne. Food for thought?  


Its a sad fact but rugby is stronger at club level 3/4/5 in the South and in the case of level 5 London and south east. Just look at how many clubs are in the area.

But if  you want to throw level 4 into the hat as well just look at  South v North play off results , One north win in 11 seasons!!

16/17 OE's  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
15/16 Old Albanians
14/15 Ampthill 
13/14 DMP v Ampthill  
12/13 Worthing  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
11/12 Richmond  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
10/11 Jersey 
9/10   Rosslyn Pk  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
8/9 no play off 
7/8     Cinderford 
6/7     Westcombe Park  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)....7 of those clubs if you include Ampthill  in or just around London!

Also Ampthill were a south side. That was their first season in North 14/15 having been level transferred that season, and thats level 4 not level 5!


Play offs Ldn and SE winners at level 5 

16/17 Ldn and SE   Wimbledon beat Dings 
14/15 Ldn and SE   Barnes  win at Exmouth 
13/14  Ldn and SE  OE's beat Redingensians

The facts speak for themselves!



 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stallion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2017 at 16:34
Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Originally posted by FEZ ANT PLUCKER FEZ ANT PLUCKER wrote:

Originally posted by Stallion Stallion wrote:

Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Bottom 3 

Towcestrians ( Welcome to the strongest league of the 4 at this level)


What do you base that statement on?
Stallion.... I agree with you. That is a very bold if not audacious statement to make. It is a 'perceived and somewhat arrogant' perception held by many. I am interested if there are any comparables out there to support the view or at lease substantiate the claim. 
At L4 we know that OE's beat Sale in last seasons play-off, however the season before Bishops Stortford lost to Ampthill in the same play-off. Where are the comparables at L5.? OK, Wimbledon comprehensively disposed of Dings Crusaders last season, but the season before Barnstaple took the honours with a win at TJ's. Are there any other comparables of fixtures between N3LSE and N3Mids, N3SW, and N3N teams.

I am particularly interested to know of any L5 wins over other L5 regional opposition which might support or refute the claim. Dorking had a good win last weekend 29-10 at Luctonians in a pre-season friendly, but that does not mean the result would have been the same had the fixture been at Sandal, Towcestrians, or Camborne. Food for thought?  


Its a sad fact but rugby is stronger at club level 3/4/5 in the South and in the case of level 5 London and south east. Just look at how many clubs are in the area.

But if  you want to throw level 4 into the hat as well just look at  South v North play off results , One north win in 11 seasons!!

16/17 OE's  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
15/16 Old Albanians
14/15 Ampthill 
13/14 DMP v Ampthill  
12/13 Worthing  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
11/12 Richmond  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
10/11 Jersey 
9/10   Rosslyn Pk  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)
8/9 no play off 
7/8     Cinderford 
6/7     Westcombe Park  (came from Nat 3 Ldn and SE)....7 of those clubs if you include Ampthill  in or just around London!

Also Ampthill were a south side. That was their first season in North 14/15 having been level transferred that season, and thats level 4 not level 5!


Play offs Ldn and SE winners at level 5 

16/17 Ldn and SE   Wimbledon beat Dings 
14/15 Ldn and SE   Barnes  win at Exmouth 
13/14  Ldn and SE  OE's beat Redingensians

The facts speak for themselves!



One off games at the end of the season do not reflect the overal stregnths of the league the teams came from. I could make the equally rediculous claim that the games that the teams in the North/Midlands play over the season are so attritional, that by the end of the season the teams are dead on their feet and are easily out played by the the South team who has had an easier season Wink
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Let's bring it back to the topic!! Everyone is allowed to have their view!

We don't want another Waterloo do we?

So my money is on the following:

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Westcombe Park (Got stronger last season and look exciting for this year)
Dorking (A season of rebuilding last year and the cream will show through)
Tunbridge Wells (The money will buy them a promising season)

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Towcestrians (It sounds that even their own predict a tough season ahead)
Southend Saxons (They sound like they are in self destruct)
Sidcup (Great club who will bounce straight back down)

Well that's my heads decisions - my heart wants the following....
Top 3
Sutton & Epsom
Dorking
Sidcup
Bottom 3
Guildford
Barnes
Guernsey
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Why does your heart pick that particular bottom three, Cannon?
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hahahah....I was just wondering what Guernsey ever did to him!
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what did Barnes ever do to you, Cannon? 😓
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Originally posted by Acti0nH@rdc0r3! Acti0nH@rdc0r3! wrote:

what did Barnes ever do to you, Cannon? 😓
LOL, I had a really couple of bad experiences years ago when revving them, they had a coach (B.... W....) who was really badly behaved on the touchline and the club hierarchy seemed oblivious of it. To be fair the Society at the time were slow at reacting.

In my playing days we were a village club moving up the leagues and were always treated as illegitimate cousins when playing them.
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Originally posted by carlos fandango carlos fandango wrote:

hahahah....I was just wondering what Guernsey ever did to him!
So my club get a "International" game next year!!
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Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Why does your heart pick that particular bottom three, Cannon?

If you've ever been to Guildford you'd know!! Great on the field, but off the field that veranda is awful!!

Edited by Cannon - 24 Aug 2017 at 18:11
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Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Acti0nH@rdc0r3! Acti0nH@rdc0r3! wrote:

what did Barnes ever do to you, Cannon? 😓
LOL, I had a really couple of bad experiences years ago when revving them, they had a coach (B.... W....) who was really badly behaved on the touchline and the club hierarchy seemed oblivious of it. To be fair the Society at the time were slow at reacting.

In my playing days we were a village club moving up the leagues and were always treated as illegitimate cousins when playing them.
Given that Barnes are, really, a village club who have come up from the lowest of the leagues over the past 20 years or so, that's rather bizarre of them to have treated your club as a player in that way!
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Moved up a league in the support stakes but will watch this season carefully.

WP lost two warm up games to lower league teams in the last two weeks so best get the loan deal sorted quick. Barnes have more chance of holding their players than Southend and Dorking did after relegation so should do well.
Twells were beaten by 50 by TJs in a warm up game. It still is just warm ups so who knows the strength of any of the teams.

Top 3
Barnes
Hertford
Dorking

Bottom 3
TWells
Sidcup
Towcestrians


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Greetings Cannon, firstly let me unreservedly apologise for you being abused by the aforementioned abuse you received from said member of the coaching staff, completely unacceptable....he must have been gone from Barnes along with the Head Coach of that era nearly 10 years now...it is not what Barnes is about, we would not tolerate that today or in any season I can remember in the last decade....and we pride ourselves on being friendly to all officials and visitors. Unfortunately in every club, from time to time, people pop up and cause offence, this sounds it was one of those times. We have many friends in teams in this league that we are looking forward to seeing again this season, and hopefully you will come back to Barnes and have a pint in our humble abode, aka our Bedouin tent!
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Originally posted by honestinjun honestinjun wrote:

Greetings Cannon, firstly let me unreservedly apologise for you being abused by the aforementioned abuse you received from said member of the coaching staff, completely unacceptable....he must have been gone from Barnes along with the Head Coach of that era nearly 10 years now...it is not what Barnes is about, we would not tolerate that today or in any season I can remember in the last decade....and we pride ourselves on being friendly to all officials and visitors. Unfortunately in every club, from time to time, people pop up and cause offence, this sounds it was one of those times. We have many friends in teams in this league that we are looking forward to seeing again this season, and hopefully you will come back to Barnes and have a pint in our humble abode, aka our Bedouin tent!
Thank you Sir, the Head Coach did cause a very bad taste and I appreciate its a long time ago - I've just had no interaction with you since!
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Let me know when you are due to visit us next and I will look after you properly!
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