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    Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 15:20
With only 7 games left of this season Cry It comes round to that time of year to plan for next season. But who is going to be in SW Premier?

I think its safe to say Bournemouth are set for Nat2 South and looks like Barnstaple might take the playoff place... but they have a tough run in, including playing Uni, Ivybridge and Maidenhead.

As far as the dreaded bottom 3, looks like Old Pats will go down, joined by Newton Abbot who have a really hard 7 games left. But who will take the 3rd spot? Got a feeling Bracknell might occupy it.

The clubs coming up, will see a few old faces as Newbury are certain to rejoin and then it looks like a battle between Oakhampton and Launceston. The play off places are wide open. 

As for the possible Nat2 South relegated teams, there is a gap opening and there are 3 teams, Birmingham & Solihull, London Irish Amateurs and Guernsey taking these spots. None who are a natural fit in SW (Unless the RFU finally decide Guernsey is in the SW..) so will be interesting to see the league structure.

So, who do you think will make the drop from SW Premier?

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Bournemouth look home and dry (although it should be noted that they have just got home in the dying minutes of their last 3 games).

As for second place, Barum have four very tough games coming up now including the key away game at Maids. Looking at Ivybridge remaining games I cannot see them getting back into it unless they recapture their earlier form. If I had to bet I would go for Maids in second spot (which would almost certainly be an away play off game)
IMO Barum are weaker than last season and are not ready for a return to Nat 2 yet.

As for the relegation places Old Pats look doomed and looking at the remaining fixtures  NAB’s have it all to do.  Drybrook are surely too good to go down so the third relegation spot looks to be between Bracknell and Cleave.  For me Bracknell have the most difficult run-in. WSM could yet be dragged into it if they take their eye of the ball.




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As with the first two posters Bournemouth is a done deal for me, and the ability to pinch last minute wins recently further nails them on as a champion side.

Unlike my fellow Barumite above (come on RJ, have a little faith!) I remain positive about our chances of securing the playoff spot. Granted its a tough run in but four of the games are at home and two of our remaining games are against the bottom two (balanced against also having to play Ivy & Maids of course) and we do have that 7 point buffer! 

Bottom 3, well Old Pats will be one, Newton Abbot will join them (current rumours of off field challenges probably not helping) and I also believe Bracknell will join the drop.



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Whoever gets the SW Premer play off spot will have their work cut out against whichever of Sutton & Epsom, Wimbledon, or Westcliff is 2nd in London & South East Premier.
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Originally posted by SimonTheAssessor SimonTheAssessor wrote:

Whoever gets the SW Premer play off spot will have their work cut out against whichever of Sutton & Epsom, Wimbledon, or Westcliff is 2nd in London & South East Premier.

Agreed but you never know Simon - Barum surprised most when they won the play off away against TJ's


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Originally posted by Mr KFC Mr KFC wrote:

Unlike my fellow Barumite above (come on RJ, have a little faith!) I remain positive about our chances of securing the playoff spot. Granted its a tough run in but four of the games are at home and two of our remaining games are against the bottom two (balanced against also having to play Ivy & Maids of course) and we do have that 7 point buffer! 


I would love to be proven wrong Mr KFC but I like to tell it as I see it (I was like a bear with a sore thumb for a few weeks after the Bournemouth game Cry ) I must admit I would love to see some more Nat 2 rugby at Pottington Rd but wonder if we would be up to competing at this time.
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I have to agree with the prediction for the bottom 2, Old pats and Newton Abbot. As for the last relegation spot all 3 team have to play each other and the results of those will go a long way to decide the last spot.

As for the top I can't see past Bournemouth taking the automatic promotion. 
The play off spot is any ones guess, although I fancy Barums chances for a play off spot.

Looking further afield, it would appear that London Irish Wild Geese are on their back down.
Newbury Blues would appear to have pretty much wrapped up SW 1 East, and Okehampton and Launceston are battling it out at the top of SW 1 West.
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Credit where it is due, that was a great win for Barum.
But TJs didn't make the same mistake again, and are now 3rd in Nat2S, after beating runaway leaders Rams last weekend.
Having watched both leagues (and in SW Premier Bournemouth a lot this season) I regard Westcliff, Wimbledon and especially S&E all on a par with Bournemouth.
But look where I am in the prediction League, so the above is a good omen for the SW play off contender. !   

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Originally posted by SimonTheAssessor SimonTheAssessor wrote:

Credit where it is due, that was a great win for Barum.
But TJs didn't make the same mistake again, and are now 3rd in Nat2S, after beating runaway leaders Rams last weekend.
Having watched both leagues (and in SW Premier Bournemouth a lot this season) I regard Westcliff, Wimbledon and especially S&E all on a par with Bournemouth.
But look where I am in the prediction League, so the above is a good omen for the SW play off contender. !   


Yes, TJ's are doing great now in Nat2S Simon as you say (I still follow Nat2s with great interest). I would think that Bournemouth are somewhere near to where Wimbledon (and Barum)were last season. Barum did the double over Wimbledon last season in N2S and look what happened to them both!.
Do you know if Wimbledon have strengthened their squad this season?


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Do you know if Wimbledon have strengthened their squad this season?


I follow TWRFC. From what I've seen this season Wimbledon aren't the force they were a couple of seasons ago. It doesn't look to me like they've recruited significantly, or particularly effectively.  They are a good side, but they haven't steam-rollered the league as some would have expected back in September.

They started this season strongly but they've looked more vulnerable over recent weeks. They're still well placed but I don't see them taking the automatic spot. I wouldn't be surprised if Westcliff pip them to the playoff. If they do manage to go back up they will have to recruit if they want to stay up there. Any of the sides from L&SE will need to recruit if they go up.

There are no outstanding sides in the league this season. Anyone can beat pretty much anyone else on their day.

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Home play-offs  for promotion are fairly important IMO. With both 2nd and 3rd in the London and SE division on 71 pts I would think  that Barum who are on 69 pts would be the only side in SW with any chance of getting a home draw should they finish runners up. The other play-off contenders Maids and Ivy are both 9 pts adrift on 62 pts.
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Originally posted by Chipping Man Chipping Man wrote:

As for the possible Nat2 South relegated teams, there is a gap opening and there are 3 teams, Birmingham & Solihull, London Irish Amateurs and Guernsey taking these spots. None who are a natural fit in SW (Unless the RFU finally decide Guernsey is in the SW..) so will be interesting to see the league structure.

So, who do you think will make the drop from SW Premier?

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I disagree that the gap is opening up at the bottom of N2S - if anything it has got smaller over the last couple of weeks. Barnes have lost four in a row and stand just above the drop zone. They also still have to go away to Birmingham & Solihull as well as London Irish Wild Geese. B&S also have several other home games against other sides in and around the bottom, so it's still possible that things could change.
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Originally posted by Barum man Barum man wrote:

Home play-offs  for promotion are fairly important IMO. With both 2nd and 3rd in the London and SE division on 71 pts I would think  that Barum who are on 69 pts would be the only side in SW with any chance of getting a home draw should they finish runners up. The other play-off contenders Maids and Ivy are both 9 pts adrift on 62 pts.
 

Bear in mind that the location of the play off is done by playing record in the first instance (RFU Reg 13.2.10). Currently Barnstaple 15 0 4, Wimbledon 14 1 4, Westcliff 14 0 5.

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Barnstaple clear favourites for the play-off place in my opinion. After Drybrook did us a favour last week, we can’t help but feel that we may have blown it now by faltering against Ivybridge, a game we should have won.

Bracknell have signed a couple of new players, including the excellent Mike Macdonald, who was Chinnor 9 last year, so I think that will be a big enough boost to keep them up, which sadly make Cleve favourites for that 3rd relegation spot.

Coming up, I fully expect Newbury to be top 6 next year- they have a young squad, which are getting better and better, definitely ones to watch next season in my opinion.

From Nat 2S, I’d guess we may welcome Wild Geese into our league?
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Originally posted by sidelined sidelined wrote:

Originally posted by Barum man Barum man wrote:

Home play-offs  for promotion are fairly important IMO. With both 2nd and 3rd in the London and SE division on 71 pts I would think  that Barum who are on 69 pts would be the only side in SW with any chance of getting a home draw should they finish runners up. The other play-off contenders Maids and Ivy are both 9 pts adrift on 62 pts.
 

Bear in mind that the location of the play off is done by playing record in the first instance (RFU Reg 13.2.10). Currently Barnstaple 15 0 4, Wimbledon 14 1 4, Westcliff 14 0 5.

Plenty to play for.

I did not realise this 'Sidelined' always thought it was league pts and then playing record (wins......). Seems strange that this should be different from determining the position in a league.


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Cracking game to watch at Barum yesterday. The Uni dotted down after three minutes but by the 15th minute Barum had scored three tries of their own. By the 37th minute both sides had scored 4 tries each.
At one point in the second half The Uni were two scores in front but with 12 minutes left back came Barum with a try and the game was won with a penalty try with about 5 minutes left.
So it ended with 6 tries each the difference being that all Barum's were 7 pointers whereas the uni missed three conversions.
I cannot remember seeing a game with so few scrums and penalties. The Students handling was exceptional and played at pace with hardly a dropped ball all game. In the end Barum were just too powerful.



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Originally posted by MaidsBoy MaidsBoy wrote:

Barnstaple clear favourites for the play-off place in my opinion. After Drybrook did us a favour last week, we can’t help but feel that we may have blown it now by faltering against Ivybridge, a game we should have won.

Bracknell have signed a couple of new players, including the excellent Mike Macdonald, who was Chinnor 9 last year, so I think that will be a big enough boost to keep them up, which sadly make Cleve favourites for that 3rd relegation spot.

Coming up, I fully expect Newbury to be top 6 next year- they have a young squad, which are getting better and better, definitely ones to watch next season in my opinion.

From Nat 2S, I’d guess we may welcome Wild Geese into our league?

Although I seem to remember the Wild Geese played in the South West a few seasons ago, I believe this was the result of a level transfer.

Not sure if they could be forced to transfer again?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by MaidsBoy MaidsBoy wrote:

Barnstaple clear favourites for the play-off place in my opinion. After Drybrook did us a favour last week, we can’t help but feel that we may have blown it now by faltering against Ivybridge, a game we should have won.

Bracknell have signed a couple of new players, including the excellent Mike Macdonald, who was Chinnor 9 last year, so I think that will be a big enough boost to keep them up, which sadly make Cleve favourites for that 3rd relegation spot.

Coming up, I fully expect Newbury to be top 6 next year- they have a young squad, which are getting better and better, definitely ones to watch next season in my opinion.

From Nat 2S, I’d guess we may welcome Wild Geese into our league?

Although I seem to remember the Wild Geese played in the South West a few seasons ago, I believe this was the result of a level transfer.

Not sure if they could be forced to transfer again?

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Bromsgrove who are top of Midlands West 1 could make an appearance in SW Premier again as per 2 seasons ago??
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Originally posted by royalwarrior royalwarrior wrote:

Bromsgrove who are top of Midlands West 1 could make an appearance in SW Premier again as per 2 seasons ago??

At the moment Birmingham & Solihulls position in N2S is looking a precarious I wonder if they’ll be offered a place in SW. Currently it’s looking like there may be 2 coming down from N2N into the Midlands premier. It is currently already loaded with 3 level transfers from North premier. There is certainly a great deal of swapping to be going on at the start of next season.

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