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Stadium4Cornwall - Event Date: 30 Jul 2015

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    Posted: 30 Jul 2015 at 19:20
Cornwall Councillors ignored the advice of Planning Officers recommendation to refuse permission for a development that would fund the Stadium in Truro by 11 votes to 8. Great news for the Pirates and sport in Cornwall.
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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Cornwall Councillors ignored the advice of Planning Officers recommendation to refuse permission for a development that would fund the Stadium in Truro by 11 votes to 8. Great news for the Pirates and sport in Cornwall.

Thank the Lord that there were eleven councillors with the cojones to defy the planners and do the right thing.

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Just read that it could be built by summer 2017. Where will Pirates play in the 2016/17 season I wonder?

It will be interesting to see if the objections of the planning officers turn out to be unfounded. One way or another there should be some comeback.
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Is that final then?

Or can the planners appeal?

If its final when will ground be broken?
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The applicant can appeal if permission is refused, but once planning permission is granted the bulldozers can move in the next day.

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Can the Pirates continue what they have until the stadium is built? A Championship club that usually does well and does not get relegated.

Albion were towards the top end of the league as I grew up watching them and were relegated at the end of last season, to weigh it up -  Exeter went in the opposite direction - the results and progress has resulted in those big sell out gates last season.

The Pirates will need to make sure they don't go down because for a club like them to be relegated wouldn't necessary mean an immediate return. A stadium for Cornwall however could be a new dawn for the Pirates and let them push on further - for example: sponsorship being attracted to a new regime in helping the Pirates achieve the aims they have.
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You are right, hills17 - it is imperative we stay in The Championship, but that's not a given these days.
There are no "weak" sides any more, and staying out of the relegation dog fight is going to be tough.
It would be supremely ironic if, after seven years of battering our collective head against some seemingly intransigent opposition, we finally get the go ahead for the stadium and then get relegated.
Hopefully this news will give the players, the supporters and the sponsors new impetus and we can build a squad to compete at the top of the division and have a chance of promotion when the stadium is ready.
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Stalwart your spot on with your concerns. The decision for the go ahead with the Stadium4Cornwall was fantastic news but will will build more pressure on Director of Rugby Ian Davies the coaches and the players to stay in the Championship League.
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Ian and his coaching team are top men and if anyone can make the most of the squad we have, they can.
We need some luck and we need some of our key players to stay fit. Our first XV will be capable of beating anyone IMO - but if we get a few injuries we might struggle a bit. Last year we were a bit like the England cricket team - brilliant one week and terrible the next. If we can string a few wins together we'll be fine.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote J Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2015 at 16:05
Stalwart - I guess we will all be saying if we can string a few wins together we will be fine.
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True enough, JL.
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Just read that it could be built by summer 2017. Where will Pirates play in the 2016/17 season I wonder?

It will be interesting to see if the objections of the planning officers turn out to be unfounded. One way or another there should be some comeback.


I guess if it's not ready for 16/17 we'll be at The Mennaye for another season.. Don't see why there should be any "comeback". It's taken seven years, and looked dead several times - but finally we can get this much needed facility built and help to drag Cornwall out of the 19th century.
All the naysayers should just accept it now and get behind the project - it could be a massive catalyst for the Duchy as a whole and bring in much needed business in the winter when we need it most.
If we use Sandy Park as a template we can replicate, if not surpass, the success they've had  off the field - and aspire to what they've done on the field.

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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Just read that it could be built by summer 2017. Where will Pirates play in the 2016/17 season I wonder?

It will be interesting to see if the objections of the planning officers turn out to be unfounded. One way or another there should be some comeback.


If we use Sandy Park as a template we can replicate, if not surpass, the success they've had  off the field - and aspire to what they've done on the field.

Exeter population: 121.800
EHOD population: over 500,000 (Exeter and Heart of Devon)

Truro population: 21,000 with plans to rise to 36000
Cornwall Population: 532,000

Exeter to Trurol, approx 90 minutes extra driving time for anyone travelling from another club.

Build to a template that fits your own demographics, not for those that suite Exeter. An empty Sandy Park in Truro would soon become a liability, not a benefit. Exeter do very well out of the business facilities they provide to their region. Truro does not have that level of demand. 

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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

[QUOTE=Stalwart]Build to a template that fits your own demographics, not for those that suite Exeter. An empty Sandy Park in Truro would soon become a liability, not a benefit. Exeter do very well out of the business facilities they provide to their region. Truro does not have that level of demand. 
 
A quick look at Sandy Park's website shows just what a sophisticated business model they have developed from match days to lady's nights, weddings and auctions to conferences. I suspect that their close relationship with the Exeter Foundation keeps them firmly in the business limelight. As OldNick says, Exeter's catchment area is key together with a dining venue seating 600 which I suspect is full (and drinking) on a match day.
 
Sharing resources could be the key - Moseley with bowls, others with cricket, archery, squash, football, hockey.
 
It's a great opportunity to bring something special to the region, and I wish everyone involved good fortune, but remember Banbury and here (now a Bannatyne Health Club)


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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

I guess if it's not ready for 16/17 we'll be at The Mennaye for another season.. 

I would have thought the same, but I recall reading an interview with Ian Connell in which he said that Pirates' future lay in Truro and the play was to be playing there by the 2016/17 season. Maybe his comments were taken out of context, although it also mentioned a three year plan, so I assumed that plans and contingency plans to make sure that this is deliverable were in place / being put into place. Equally, Rob Saltmarsh was careful not to commit to the stadium being ready by 2017 (have Inox secured a commitment from a supermarket partner yet?). If it isn't ready for 2017/18, can Pirates afford another season in the wilderness? Worst case scenario, if suitable partners for Inox's development can't be found, what's the value in keeping Pirates away from their intended home for another season or two?

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Don't see why there should be any "comeback". It's taken seven years, and looked dead several times - but finally we can get this much needed facility built and help to drag Cornwall out of the 19th century.

I disagree strongly. Every decision made by every council should be subject to scrutiny IMO. This has been one of the highest profile planning issues in Cornwall for a long time, if the employed planning officers' concerns turn out of be unfounded, then they (and to a lesser extent the councillors who took their advice) should be held accountable - left to them Cornwall would have been robbed of a free £10m stadium. Equally if the concerns turn out to be valid, those councillors who chose to ignore their advice should take a long hard look at themselves as should those who voted for them.


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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Exeter population: 121.800
EHOD population: over 500,000 (Exeter and Heart of Devon)

Truro population: 21,000 with plans to rise to 36000
Cornwall Population: 532,000

Exeter to Trurol, approx 90 minutes extra driving time for anyone travelling from another club.

Build to a template that fits your own demographics, not for those that suite Exeter. An empty Sandy Park in Truro would soon become a liability, not a benefit. Exeter do very well out of the business facilities they provide to their region. Truro does not have that level of demand.

You are absolutely correct in what you say. Thankfully I believe that the movers and shakers in the project's model is somewhat more sophisticated than "Sandy Park works, so will the S4C". For starters, Truro College are heavily involved in the project - their use of the facilities will be a reliable source of income (not just their sporting department, I believe that their catering department are heavily involved). There will also be at least one (possibly more, I can't recall) all weather pitch which will be available for public use. There has also been talk of the stadium being used as a concert venue.

Your point about travelling supporters is equally valid, although Cornwall does have the pull of being an attractive destination for a weekend break rather than just a place to come and watch a rugby match - something that among the rugby watching demographic isn't to be sneezed at.

The S4C website is generally pretty thin on detail (I have heard various other revenue streams mentioned in the past, but can't find them mentioned any more), but does mention conference facilities. I share your scepticism as to how lucrative that could be in deepest, darkest Cornwall.


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I merely suggested Sandy Park as a template - didn't mean to imply we copy it exactly (template wasn't a good choice of word). Of course the Cornwall plan needs to be different, but the potential is there - RoD has mentioned some of them. The college using the site means it will be in use 7 days a week, and it's possible to see plenty of income streams being available with a bit of imagination.
Of course Exeter has some advantages we don't have - but we have Cornwall and its attractiveness as a destination. There are, at present, very few, if any, venues where a large conference can be held, for example, so there must be mileage in that.
The whole idea is that it will be a community facility, not just a rugby stadium, and the 4G (is that the right number?) pitch means it could be used every day for many different purposes.
There are a lot of very smart people involved in the project and, although nothing is guaranteed in life, we have a great chance to make this work for the good of the whole of Cornwall.
Regarding the "comeback" you mention, RoD - The Prime Minister and all of the Cornwall MPs are behind the project, so even if it does go the Sec of State it will still happen. Let's just get it done - we've waited seven bleddy years!
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Here are a few pointers taken from the S4C website which may assist you with understanding the business model.

There would be a 400 capacity conference centre, meeting and function rooms, offering a platform for business and cultural events, including trade shows and fairs, as well as a venue for private parties, functions, weddings and concerts in the 200 capacity banqueting facility.

Music concerts are also planned for in the stadium.

It would be home to The Cornish Pirates rugby club and would include a permanent base for Truro & Penwith College’s business centre, elite sport and hospitality and catering teaching facilities, with a training kitchen and restaurant, open to the public run by their Rick Stein Academy.

As well as the stadium 4G pitch there will be 3(2 senior and 1 junior size) all weather 3G floodlight community pitches.



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Sounds good.
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