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Originally posted by WillEvans WillEvans wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

In the nicest possible way Richmond didn’t really “compete” more like they survived a couple of seasons being at the bottom of the table and caused a few upsets.


Ninth last season and thirty two points clear of relegation suggests they did a bit more than survive at the bottom of the table although I agree that like most they didn't compete for promotion. 


Let's not forget that the only reason Richmond weren't relegated the first time is because London Welsh went bust and relegation was cancelled for that season. If London Welsh didn't go bust Richmond would have been relegated. Despite this I'm still properly gutted that they've been relegated.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 17:29
Hoffee i think you will find that in the first season Richmond finished above Rotherham. My understanding is in their 3 years in the Championship they beat every team except Bristol and London Irish- suggest this counts as certainly competing
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Hoffee i think you will find that in the first season Richmond finished above Rotherham. My understanding is in their 3 years in the Championship they beat every team except Bristol and London Irish- suggest this counts as certainly competing

Statbunker has Richmond a point adrift of Roth.
No guarantee that it's correct though, given its occasional lack of accuracy...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 19:09
With Welsh being removed some clubs like Blues and I think Rotherham were losers as they lost 5 point wins. Blues was earlier on in the season before the troubles.

There is no denying Richmond more than made up for lack of quality by being well drilled defensively and playing with a lot more heart than any other club. I actually think they’ll probably prefer life or season in ND1, as their chances of moving up the league would be low, whereas they should be competing top end of ND1.
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I think you are absolutely right re: being semi pro. I enjoyed my two trips up to Moseley during our early days in the Championship & I wish you guys well for the future. You're selection of real ales & the pork rolls where a bonus. Although I am enjoying the our rugby at the moment a return to National 1 would not break my heart as I do miss the older style grass roots rugby & our season in National 1 was a lot of fun.
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Hoffee i think you will find that in the first season Richmond finished above Rotherham. My understanding is in their 3 years in the Championship they beat every team except Bristol and London Irish- suggest this counts as certainly competing
 

Untrue. On the RFU website they're a game short. Rotherham sat below Richmond with one game left to play. Rotherham managed a 5 point win in their final game where as Richmond got nothing from their final game, which meant Roth leap-frogged them. Roth finished that season with 27 points and Richmond 26 points.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 12:25
It's of little relevance, but I recall in the game against Jersey at the end of the first season Mond were awarded a penalty on their 23 with a point in the bag. They decided to try to turn it into an attack an messed it up, allowing Jersey in for a last minute try. Had there been a relegation issue they would have opted for safety.
On the other point  Mond have been very unlucky with injuries this season, but poor lineouts and an over cautious mindset have not helped.
I am looking forward to Nat 1. Everyone was a lot more cheerful there and it gives a chance to rebuild. A number of vital players are retiring in addition to several good ones leaving for full time clubs, so even if Hartpury escaped by importing so many players from higher up next season would have been a struggle, in my opinion.
If they do get promoted again they'll be a lot more prepared for what awaits. To have beaten every team bar Irish and Bristol at least once was very creditable.

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Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Hoffee i think you will find that in the first season Richmond finished above Rotherham. My understanding is in their 3 years in the Championship they beat every team except Bristol and London Irish- suggest this counts as certainly competing
 

Untrue. On the RFU website they're a game short. Rotherham sat below Richmond with one game left to play. Rotherham managed a 5 point win in their final game where as Richmond got nothing from their final game, which meant Roth leap-frogged them. Roth finished that season with 27 points and Richmond 26 points.


The untruth is your's Hoffee. Whether you like it or not, the official end-of-season table did not include any results for games v London Welsh, so Roth ended up with 22pts and Richmond with 26. All clubs knew for at least two months that this would be the case so that, unsatisfactory as the LW situation was (except for LW, for whom it was tragic), everyone knew where they stood...
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No one will ever know how it would have ended up, there would have been different team selections and all sorts, as soon as Welsh went the league was over for any club other than those fighting at the top.

It was noticeable that when the Blues fell down the league overnight from losing points they didn’t seem as interested for the rest of the season and I’m sure that would have been the case with other too.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Hoffee i think you will find that in the first season Richmond finished above Rotherham. My understanding is in their 3 years in the Championship they beat every team except Bristol and London Irish- suggest this counts as certainly competing
 

Untrue. On the RFU website they're a game short. Rotherham sat below Richmond with one game left to play. Rotherham managed a 5 point win in their final game where as Richmond got nothing from their final game, which meant Roth leap-frogged them. Roth finished that season with 27 points and Richmond 26 points.


The untruth is your's Hoffee. Whether you like it or not, the official end-of-season table did not include any results for games v London Welsh, so Roth ended up with 22pts and Richmond with 26. All clubs knew for at least two months that this would be the case so that, unsatisfactory as the LW situation was (except for LW, for whom it was tragic), everyone knew where they stood...


Nope you're still wrong mate. There were 21 games that season as they didn't count the London Welsh fixtures in the table. After 21 games, Richmond finished a point below Rotherham.
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Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Hoffee i think you will find that in the first season Richmond finished above Rotherham. My understanding is in their 3 years in the Championship they beat every team except Bristol and London Irish- suggest this counts as certainly competing
 

Untrue. On the RFU website they're a game short. Rotherham sat below Richmond with one game left to play. Rotherham managed a 5 point win in their final game where as Richmond got nothing from their final game, which meant Roth leap-frogged them. Roth finished that season with 27 points and Richmond 26 points.


The untruth is your's Hoffee. Whether you like it or not, the official end-of-season table did not include any results for games v London Welsh, so Roth ended up with 22pts and Richmond with 26. All clubs knew for at least two months that this would be the case so that, unsatisfactory as the LW situation was (except for LW, for whom it was tragic), everyone knew where they stood...


Nope you're still wrong mate. There were 21 games that season as they didn't count the London Welsh fixtures in the table. After 21 games, Richmond finished a point below Rotherham.


Fool...LW played some teams twice, others once. Therefore the league was settled over a 20 game season. Roth finished bottom that season and then went down the season after, whereas Richmond stayed up!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 14:11
All semantics really, it is what it is and Richmond competed well during their time in the Championship, beating all but Bristol and LI but still getting bonus points from both of those clubs . . with budgets 10 x bigger.

What would have been amusing if Richmond had called in 13 players from Quins, Northampton and Saracens to play against LI . .  had Rich then won LI promotion might have been jeopardised . . I think Premiership rugby would have called foul then, as one of their own was hurt!!!!
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On statbunker they've accounted for games played but not league points.... Useless muppet whomever updates the table on there.
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Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

On statbunker they've accounted for games played but not league points.... Useless muppet whomever updates the table on there.


In fact they haven't even accounted for games played as it shows LS having played 22 games and everyone else (bar LW) on 21. So basically statbunker is a great source as long as a club doesn't go bust, then it's a sh!tshow...

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I think the point is that overall Richmond did ok for themselves whilst up here in the Championship, they might not have got top 4 but played some enjoyable rugby, and they will be missed next season, I wish them and the supporters well for next season.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I think the point is that overall Richmond did ok for themselves whilst up here in the Championship, they might not have got top 4 but played some enjoyable rugby, and they will be missed next season, I wish them and the supporters well for next season.

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Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

 In fact they haven't even accounted for games played as it shows LS having played 22 games and everyone else (bar LW) on 21. So basically statbunker is a great source as long as a club doesn't go bust, then it's a sh!tshow...

They have accounted for all games played except for Leeds v London Welsh on New Year's Day.  We played everyone once, except Scottish and Leeds - hence Scottish showing 22 games played.  The fact that the table shows London Welsh finishing 10th should have been a massive clue that it wasn't correct!


If you remove our results, then Roth lost five points and Richmond none, hence Roth would have finished bottom - although, as has been said, nobody knows how the removal of the threat of relegation affected the second half of the season.  Good job nobody at Premier Rugby is aware of what goes on in the Championship, or they might have collated some data to use as a case study Confused
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Hoffee: I have my whole weekend ahead of me, so will bow to your superior knowledge on this matter & bow out of this debate, fascinating tho' it is...





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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Hoffee: I have my whole weekend ahead of me, so will bow to your superior knowledge on this matter & bow out of this debate, fascinating tho' it is...





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