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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 18:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 18:42
The statement refers to extending the league season from 22 to 23 games. Everything I have seen says the double header matches will count.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 18:45
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I understand that these games are not league games but a showcase for the Championship.


That's sh£t in that case, it should be a league game or nothing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 18:46
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

The statement refers to extending the league season from 22 to 23 games. Everything I have seen says the double header matches will count.


Have to say I read it that way, in which case, Roth playing 8 miles away in Doncaster against Moseley is a huge advantage to say Bedford playing welsh at the Allianz.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 18:52
but at least the Nottingham 'mads' will get some cow pie this yearWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 19:06
(The following is is all pure speculation - just trying to de-code the mysterious ways in which the RFU appears to move.)

I wouldn't be surprised if the "Magic" Weekend (MWE) games will ALL be televised as a GK C'ship showcase (hence the de-conflicting with the AP start). This would be a full third of the whole season's 18 games. Be interesting to see how the weekend will be scheduled (Fri/Sat/Sun?). With some/all of the play-offs as well (? - max 6 games), there wouldn't be a whole heap of games in the rest of the main season... This gives the air of "managing" disruption to clubs and facilitating the broadcaster's logistics. It also gives fans the option of staying at home for the MWE. While the clubs would gain little financially, they wouldn't lose either.

On that tack, why not have a double header, one leg, semi final play-off at a neutral ground to shorten the overall season? And have the final (again one leg) as an add-on to the AP final at Twickers?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 19:11
I love the idea of have the Championship final at Twickenham as a curtain raiser for the premiership final. Cant see it happening though...too risky for the big premiership clubs should they ever find themselves in the dreaded championship.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 21:47
I can't see how you would play a double-header on a Friday evening unless the first game kicked off at a time when few people are likely to be able to get there.  I am told that the St Leger meeting will conclude on that Saturday at Donny so I would be surprised if the police would want the rugby happening on the same day, which may mean a Sunday outing for that group.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 21:52
I don't think the prospect of a few hundred people rocking up in Armthorpe will trouble even the South Yorkshire Constabulary .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 22:02
It will be a right pain getting in off the M18 though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 22:11
Greene King. Producers of pish-extraordinaire.
We had IPA cask on at our place as a guest for a few days last year. It was appalling.
I relented the other day and tried a pint of it in one of my favourite watering holes in Burgh le Marsh. It was still appalling.
We still have it on as a keg at our place - and it's even worse than the cask.

How they can describe it as an IPA is totally beyond me. It's just a poor so-called 'Best' (gags) Bitter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 22:39
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Greene King. Producers of pish-extraordinaire.
We had IPA cask on at our place as a guest for a few days last year. It was appalling.
I relented the other day and tried a pint of it in one of my favourite watering holes in Burgh le Marsh. It was still appalling.
We still have it on as a keg at our place - and it's even worse than the cask.

How they can describe it as an IPA is totally beyond me. It's just a poor so-called 'Best' (gags) Bitter.

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What about GKIPA is so appalling?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 23:30
I can't imagine that a sponsorship agreement signed by the RFU can bind clubs to stock a particular brand of beer. In our case, for example, the bars and catering at Headingley are controlled by our landlords, who have agreements with other brewers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 23:41
Originally posted by HandsintheRuck HandsintheRuck wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Greene King. Producers of pish-extraordinaire.
We had IPA cask on at our place as a guest for a few days last year. It was appalling.
I relented the other day and tried a pint of it in one of my favourite watering holes in Burgh le Marsh. It was still appalling.
We still have it on as a keg at our place - and it's even worse than the cask.

How they can describe it as an IPA is totally beyond me. It's just a poor so-called 'Best' (gags) Bitter.

God help all who sail in the Championship!

What about GKIPA is so appalling?

It's not an IPA.
It's bland.
It's devoid of any character.
It's weak.
Need I go on?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 08:57

I'm trying really hard to look for the positives for the clubs and supporters.

 

Yes, I can see the ‘desired’ benefit to the RFU and the sponsor  of the triple double header- though have my doubts what in reality will be achieved.

 

I’m also reasonably sure that Greene King have gone into this with their eyes open - they were announced as Mose's new shirt sponsors a couple of months ago so are familiar with the Championship – both positives and negatives.

 

However...........from what I can see/read (and there’s been very little emanating from Twickers other than the PR-speak press release) the ‘strategy/plan’ may well work in a different game, in a different country at a different time.

 

However reality then kicks in………and my opinion is that the new PR supremo at the RFU has lifted ideas from her background in North America. I could see this sort of plan implemented in the Major Soccerrrrr League (or whatever it is called) and being greeted with much mirth over here.

 

But given the circumstances over there (millions of kids and soccer Mums, no really established system, history etc etc) they may well ‘have a punt’ (no pun intended) to get a minority sport off the ground and aim for just a small percent of a massive TV sports market.

 

However, over here logic, tradition and commercial reality need to be given more thought. We’ve already got 3 established leagues receiving extensive TV coverage (Premiership, Celtic League and Top 14). Is this going to break into that market in any significant way?

 

Yes, Sky may well be happy to have a punt at something oddball as it doesn’t cost them, they’ve lost their prime coverage and they haven’t got anything to lose.

But surely England’s 2nd tier deserves more than being promoted as some circus act?

 

The achievements of the RFU Championship to date (according to Sophie Goldschmidt- RFU Chief Commercial Officer) appear to be that it has “led the way with innovations such as RefCam and live Twitter streaming for fans, which have helped it become the fantastic competition it is today”.

 

Please!

 

Oh…………and the people bank rolling the punt/double header is the Championship clubs themselves (no extra money, unknown but suspected little/no share of receipts/travel costs) and the supporters (travel costs/extra away game). 

 

However………never one to be negative I’d be delighted to be put right!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 09:16
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:


It's bland.
It's devoid of any character.
It's weak.
 
But enough of the RFU.  What's wrong with IPA?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 10:29
We are talking about the beer that won the Gold award for Bitter at the 2004 Great British Beer Festival and was runner up to Kelham Island Pale Rider.

I believe when they were asked how they did it they said they simply ensured the judges got the beer in the condition it left the brewery. 

It does need to be kept well and generally isn't.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 10:45
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

We are talking about the beer that won the Gold award for Bitter at the 2004 Great British Beer Festival and was runner up to Kelham Island Pale Rider.

I believe when they were asked how they did it they said they simply ensured the judges got the beer in the condition it left the brewery. 

It does need to be kept well and generally isn't.

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Very good point Camquin. We have had IPA at Moseley (plus a number of GK guest beers) last season and they have all been very good and well received (the real ale bar has often sold out on match days). The bar staff at the club take pride in looking after the beer properly and it does make a big difference. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 11:07
Originally posted by GB13 GB13 wrote:

Very good point Camquin. We have had IPA at Moseley (plus a number of GK guest beers) last season and they have all been very good and well received (the real ale bar has often sold out on match days). The bar staff at the club take pride in looking after the beer properly and it does make a big difference. 
 
Fair enough - I'll give it a go then....maybe even on Sat watching the Lions.....I've never actually bought it at the (Mose) club but have based my opinion from trying it elsewhere (which wasn't good).
 
But as you and Camquin highlight, I may just have had a bad experience - whereas the predecessor at the club (Wye Valley) has generally been consistently good wherever I've tried it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 11:34
It's like all of these things, if it's looked after it's ok.  These days there's a massive prejudice against John Smiths and Tetley's per se, because of the smoothflow nonsense.  However, if you ever see either of them on draught it's a totally different story and they're nice pints....
 
I know the situation with GK IPA is different, because it's almost always on draught anyway, but I'm not sure it travels particularly well and it does need looking after.  Properly kept, there's nothing very much wrong with it. In local Oxford pubs there's loads of GK because they bought out Morrells a decade or so ago.  In the ones where the landlord knows what he's doing, IPA is an ok default choice if there's nothing more interesting on.  Where the landlord's less good, it's a different matter.
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