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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 09:02
Isn't the key to this the quality of DR/EQP allocated to some of the clubs as well as the skill of the Rugby Directors in how they use them without hacking off too many of their own players?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 11:27
Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

... how they use them without hacking off too many of their own players?
 
Spot on - I remember many, many moons ago at college when it was discovered that a top rank second row was on a day release course for 6 months. Out with the old and in with the new - for one cup match. I was really hacked off - but at least they lost (how petty) and the newbie was not up on signals, moves etc.
 
Its a very delicate tightrope but at least there is the bench option to keep some happy with game time.
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Caldy could struggle but it will not be because they lack team spirit, belief and play an exciting brand of rugby ...............if they struggle it will probably be because they will be playing sides with up to 10 DR players in their side from Premiership Academies.

Caldy are highly unlikely to have any DR players ................they will just stick with local lads


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I sincerely hope you right Big Eddie but they will be in a serious minority
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Penda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 13:52
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Caldy could struggle but it will not be because they lack team spirit, belief and play an exciting brand of rugby ...............if they struggle it will probably be because they will be playing sides with up to 10 DR players in their side from Premiership Academies.

Caldy are highly unlikely to have any DR players ................they will just stick with local lads

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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

I sincerely hope you right Big Eddie but they will be in a serious minority

Caldy is very much a community club and has developed over the years through its youth system and local Merseyside players stepping up to play at the National League level.

This season I expect 16 or 17 from the match day squad to come from that pool of players with the other 3 or 4 being the club's own players who live slightly further afield in Cheshire.

I expect the number of dual registered players fielded by Caldy at any stage in the season to be 0...........................

If that means Caldy struggle so be it ..................but I think everyone at Caldy would prefer to struggle with their own home grown players and local lads than succeed with a squad stuffed full of Premiership Academy dual registered players..............

To be honest I just cannot see the point in watching  or supporting a team stuffed full of transient strangers.............where on earth is the joy in that?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 14:06
Penda,

Local is pretty much within a 10 mile radius of the club for 10 or 12 of the lads, with the Liverpool lads being probably about 12 - 15 miles away.

The 3 or 4 Caldy players who come from Sandbach and Macclesfield are admittedly some 40 miles or so away but with a quick motorway connection.

Tom Concu who came from Sandbach last season was a revelation at loosehead stepping up to level 4 and destroying virtually every tighthead he came up against. Top bloke as well. Sandbach should be very proud of the quality of players they continue to produce year in year out.

I am sure if all of these Sandbach lads had stayed at Sandbach they could possibly have been a Championship club by now..............great club with a great infrastructure and culture.
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At the risk of repeating myself I don't think you will see any club with10DRs due to the increased A league. There will be a miix where clubs have and some have not. I would very much doubt if any club in Nat One would rely on this model. The only club I would think may increase would be Loughborough only because they do have many students with links to AP clubs and Often in the past they have had to balance which DRs played.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 15:26
I hope you are right but somehow doubt it as the temptation will be to bring in players at a moments notice if they are available and it wont be long before we have someone that appears in levels 1-3 and possibly 4 as well in the same season.
 
It laudable for Caldy to take the home grown view but at some point they may have a hard choice to make.
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

 
 It laudable for Caldy to take the home grown view but at some point they may have a hard choice to make.

Actually I don't think it will be a hard choice at all..................if injuries or lack of form create a vacancy in the 1st xv match day squad they will almost certainly promote from the 2nd xv rather than bringing a dual registered player.............

Isn't that the essence of club rugby?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2017 at 17:26
There is always a possibility in this league as a lot of us have experienced that you will go through the 1s, 2s, 3s someone who used to play and you have no other alternatives but to look elsewhere
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 2017 at 09:02
As I said its a laudable aim but if your DOR stumbles across a 6ft 7, 19 stone leviathan who is available to play and your own player in the second team is 12 stone wet through it may just be tempting.
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Obviously clubs who have relationships with Premier clubs are going to use the relaxation in regulations especially if they are looking to promotion but my concern is how these clubs are going to manage them. Academy players can now sign for 4 clubs simultaneously from Level 2 down so who is going to get priority in selection? When does a player decide which club he plays for? in the week of the game or will they have a fixed term deal? 
  • Players in premiership clubs will firstly play A League games -10
  • I would also assume some will be needed for Anglo Welsh cup games - 3
  • Many Premiership academy players also play in the England Under 20 6 nations - 5
  • I would assume that these players will have a maximum number of game they can play 28 so that does not leave a lot for the rest of the season unless they carry on playing on for the club they are loaned out to which defeats any player welfare programme.
  • Players cannot be transferred after the end of February (or is this different for loaned players?)
  • Where does player loyalty come into this? or do clubs see promotion as their only goal and club identity as a sacrifice to this?
  • Are clubs happy to become satellite clubs for premier league clubs just to get into the Championship? 
  • What ever happens only 1 can get promoted and several clubs will  spend a lot of money to come second. Is it worth it in the long run? 


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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Obviously clubs who have relationships with Premier clubs are going to use the relaxation in regulations especially if they are looking to promotion but my concern is how these clubs are going to manage them. Academy players can now sign for 4 clubs simultaneously from Level 2 down so who is going to get priority in selection? When does a player decide which club he plays for? in the week of the game or will they have a fixed term deal? 
  • Players in premiership clubs will firstly play A League games -10
  • I would also assume some will be needed for Anglo Welsh cup games - 3
  • Many Premiership academy players also play in the England Under 20 6 nations - 5
  • I would assume that these players will have a maximum number of game they can play 28 so that does not leave a lot for the rest of the season unless they carry on playing on for the club they are loaned out to which defeats any player welfare programme.
  • Players cannot be transferred after the end of February (or is this different for loaned players?)
  • Where does player loyalty come into this? or do clubs see promotion as their only goal and club identity as a sacrifice to this?
  • Are clubs happy to become satellite clubs for premier league clubs just to get into the Championship? 
  • What ever happens only 1 can get promoted and several clubs will  spend a lot of money to come second. Is it worth it in the long run? 
I think that you've answered your own questions WB. With a 6 week sequence of A league games at the beginning of the season, A-W Cup games, European Cup games for some and representative games fr others then the DRs will have pretty limited availability for their receiving clubs. With injuries and other commitments for semi-pro players, then there are likely to be few problems accommodating them in a squad facing a very long 30 match season. So normal squad players are unlikely to be too bothered about the DRs complementing their numbers. The arrangements will work well enough IMHO as long as these few players are considered the icing on the cake rather than the cake itself. However, for clubs with big, contracted full time squads then the situation will be quite different.
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