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    Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 19:43
Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

World Health Organisasation appears to have done a paper on  rubber balls causing  cancer courtesy of 3G pitches.The football rulng bodies have copies of it.It was passed to them by the grid iron organisers in the USA.
 
Clearly the RFU weren't on their mailing list.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mightypen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 14:30
World Health Organisasation appears to have done a paper on  rubber balls causing  cancer courtesy of 3G pitches.The football rulng bodies have copies of it.It was passed to them by the grid iron organisers in the USA.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Athman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 16:54
Just a provider of information on this occasion. Apologies I don't know anything further!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 16:15
Thanks Athman, it clears up one or two points, but leaves a lot of the questions raised here unanswered and salient details unspecified. I would be interested to know what the RFU's commitment is in the long term - what happens at end end of the RFU's (unspecified) leasehold period?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 15:43
Had a quick look at details provided -thanks Athman - proposal raises a few issues that I can think of including potential allegations of preferential treatment but the devil is bound to be in the detail.
 
The RFU would be well advised to look at the recent adverse reports as this looks like a major investment with all sorts of potential issues for the OWNERS/OPERATORS i.e the RFU. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Athman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 13:59
This from the RFU:
 

The RFU has recently announced its intention to invest in 100 floodlit AGPs across England over the

next four years to combat the growing pressure on natural turf pitches from overuse and bad weather.

60 of these sites, which will be owned and operated by the RFU, will be located at rugby clubs across

the country. These AGP centres will not only support the playing and training needs of the club itself,

but also those of surrounding clubs and educational establishments, who will have guaranteed access

throughout the year.

A further 40 pitches will be developed in partnership with local providers in areas where there is

limited pitch capacity for floodlit training and matches. Once again, these sites will provide

guaranteed access for local clubs and rugby development activities.

 

To kick off the project, the RFU is in early discussions with a handful of initial sites across the country,

with the aim of delivering a first phase of pitches by autumn 2016. The development of these projects

will support the RFU’s understanding of how the national AGP programme can be expanded and

delivered over the next four years.

 

The RFU is currently undertaking an internal modelling exercise to identify and prioritise areas of the

country where club pitch stock cannot meet current training and match demand.

In addition, forecast growth in training and matches is being considered as clubs seek to increase

participation within their local communities. Alongside this analysis potential locations will be

identified that have the ability to offer the RFU a long-term legal interest in the site.

Following this process, at the end of the season, the RFU will consult with Constituent Bodies to

review the initial findings and undertake a more detailed local analysis. This will assess whether the

areas and sites identified are best placed to meet the technical and operational demands of a floodlit

AGP – as well as supporting the local rugby playing community. Once complete, the RFU will start the planning and development of a second phase of AGPs on rugby club sites in 2016/7. Further AGPs will also be developed with local stakeholders within this time frame.

 

Whilst there is not an open application process, clubs who can 1) demonstrate their pitches are over

capacity, which 2) limits their ability to grow, and 3) can offer a long-term legal interest in the site,

should contact their local Constituent Body Facility Coordinator to register an interest.

 

 

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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I have heard of one such case involving a young football goal-keeper but have yet to hear of a rugby case.

Having said that if proven I am sure it would affect Rugby just as much as Football.


The story of the lad whose father was an NHS bigwig has been mentioned here. I wasn't aware that he was taking legal action against anyone though.


I thought I read in National Press that he was - however I may be wrong.

Interestingly there are far more 3G soccer pitches in the world than rugby pitches - apparently there are around 1000 in Germany alone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 16:47
This article seems to be a good synthesis of current research

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/growth-curve/science-may-get-sidelined-artificial-turf-debate


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 15:35
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I have heard of one such case involving a young football goal-keeper but have yet to hear of a rugby case.

Having said that if proven I am sure it would affect Rugby just as much as Football.

The story of the lad whose father was an NHS bigwig has been mentioned here. I wasn't aware that he was taking legal action against anyone though.
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

One legal process involving a player has started re illness caused by rubbers balls created from old tyres used on 3G


I wasn't aware of that and am surprised that it hasn't been mentioned in this thread already. Do you have a link to the details please?


I have heard of one such case involving a young football goal-keeper but have yet to hear of a rugby case.

Having said that if proven I am sure it would affect Rugby just as much as Football.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 14:51
Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

One legal process involving a player has started re illness caused by rubbers balls created from old tyres used on 3G

I wasn't aware of that and am surprised that it hasn't been mentioned in this thread already. Do you have a link to the details please?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hopping Mad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 14:46
General drainage problem? Hardly. Hoppers don't normally have games off but abnormal weather and sheer volume of water has been an issue for lots of clubs.

After all Hoppers pitches are in use 6 days a week so an alternative weather proof answer is worth consideration when you're a busy club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mightypen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 14:32
One legal process involving a player has started re illness caused by rubbers balls created from old tyres used on 3G
If I had a youngster asked to play on such a surface I may well think twice as I would urge others to do before clubs force players to do so as there are no grass pitches left on their sites.
Perhaps hoppers need the plastic pitch as a way of dealing with a general drainage problem
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As far as I am aware the alleged problems with the crumb are just that allegations - however I cant believe that someone isn't already researching this and the RFU and clubs need to be aware of the implications. Point about no win no fee a fair one.
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The rfu have not taken into account carcinogenic effect of the rubber balls
But they will do so when the first legal claim is laid against a club with such a playing surface
There is no difference between a goal keeper diving on such a surface and a rugby player being caught at the bottom of a ruck
The no win no fee chaps willl be after such issues so clubs like hoppers should really look such a gift horse in the mouth (sic)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote loftylocke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 21:18
Leeds RLFC didn't appear too happy about the number of injuries sustained on The Widnes artificial last week, but I've not ruled out sour grapes after a drubbing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whaa Hoo Wilkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 20:07
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

So are Macc getting one off the RFU too?
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No RFU reports on the rubber crumbs themselves
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 16:31
Bit of a furore in the football world at the moment regarding 3G which does need to be taken seriously as it suggests that goalkeepers at risk from constituent parts. due diligence certainly needed here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 16:07
Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

And here is the abstract of the rugby part of that meta report - from a not very representative of national league rugby in the uk sample

Indeed - the nature of being within such a microcosm means that the chance of highly relatable research existing is slim. The paper that the RFU's man collaborated on is much more so. Fingers crossed that the assessment of Allianz Park is released.
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