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    Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 16:36
London Welsh win the Middlesex Bowl, with a 34-12 win.
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I believe we had a bye straight to this Bowl Final as no other team wanted to play us!
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Good stuff.
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Well done LW
Run with it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 10:59
Congratulations on another promotion.
Lets hope the extra travel does not put too much strain on resources. :-)


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Congratulations and well done. It restores a lot of my faith in the game to hear that!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 09:51
Kept it? I think we've grown it!
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Great for Welsh Mark, good to hear they have managed to keep their support base.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 19:59
Final game of the season tomorrow when we host Finsbury Park in the final of the Middlesex Bowl.  The curtain came down on the league season last Saturday when a crowd of roughly 1,000 - including three coachloads of visiting supporters - watched the top of the table clash with Datchworth, which we won 10-7.  Datchworth will join us in London NW2 next season - we won the title with a record of 20 wins, one draw (the now infamous 0-0 away to Old Streetonians on Hackney Marshes in October) and one defeat, at Stevenage, conceding on average a fraction under seven points per game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 18:43
Here's a good article - written back in October - that explains a lot about what's changed this year; how professional (with a small 'p') the set-up is, and the standards that the coaches are not just setting but expecting from the players.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Any thoughts for the rugby club who miss out on promotion due to London Welsh being forced into their league. Although only for one season and you can denign another team promotion in the league above.

Is there any plan to pay back the money owed to the Government or players who never got paid their salary for playing rugby for London Welsh ......professionals !

I think a point should be made here in that London Welsh whom are playing in HM1 this season did not stop any club gaining promotion nor did they force their way in. They were already in this league as a quick check on matchbydivision will attest.
http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/london-se-division/2016-2017/group/21323#/results

All that has happened here is that the professional club have been liquidated. London Welsh Amateur (which was defined by the RFU as a separate club) merely picked up the pieces and adopted the name of the old club.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Welsh_Amateur

My apologies I understood that London Welsh had been dropped to the lower leagues and the  

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thread was about their rise from the ashes . Ealing Rugby Club were denied being able to set up an amateur team by the RFU ! Even though the pro side is completely separate and totally funded by Trailfinders.

Maybe it should have been titled  The DRAGON is dead long live the LONDON WELSH AMATEURS. As you pointed out they are completely separate Clubs and one has nothing to do with the other except wearing the same shirt and playing at the same ground . I believe they now have the same name !.

What happened to the `Welsh` players who were in that lower league /. I suppose they just moved down a team ! I assume they have a newly  invigorated influx of players when considering the current seasons scorelines.

Best of luck with the new revived London Welsh Amateurs, probably see you somewhere when the abyss opens up for the Ealing Trailfinders ,hopefully in the very distant future .


Edited by No 7 - 09 Apr 2018 at 17:24
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 16:18
But he says grinning, who were the correct club at the division Bell the volunteers and amateurs or the pie in the sky professionals 😬
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 15:35
...and in practical terms as with all such phoenix clubs, will for all time just be regarded as the old club in a new skin by the supporters of other clubs, whatever its legal status. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 15:23
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Any thoughts for the rugby club who miss out on promotion due to London Welsh being forced into their league. Although only for one season and you can denign another team promotion in the league above.

Is there any plan to pay back the money owed to the Government or players who never got paid their salary for playing rugby for London Welsh ......professionals !

I think a point should be made here in that London Welsh whom are playing in HM1 this season did not stop any club gaining promotion nor did they force their way in. They were already in this league as a quick check on matchbydivision will attest.
http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/london-se-division/2016-2017/group/21323#/results

All that has happened here is that the professional club have been liquidated. London Welsh Amateur (which was defined by the RFU as a separate club) merely picked up the pieces and adopted the name of the old club.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Welsh_Amateur
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Any thoughts for the rugby club who miss out on promotion due to London Welsh being forced into their league. Although only for one season and you can denign another team promotion in the league above.

Sorry, what league are we being forced into?
 
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Is there any plan to pay back the money owed to the Government or players who never got paid their salary for playing rugby for London Welsh ......professionals !

If you look back to the posts on here and other boards from December 2016/ January 2017 you'll see that nobody was comfortable with the way that the pro club went out of business and the business decisions that were taken.  But - and I appreciate that you're struggling with this fairly basic concept - London Welsh Amateurs were a completely separate club.  They were set-up precisely because some members were uncomfortable with the professional direction that the first team was taking some 10-12 years ago, and they created a CASC.  And from that CASC they started a new club - which is the one that exists today.  Yes, they play in red shirts, and they are based at Old Deer Park - and these are the reasons that hundreds of people turn out each week to support them - but they have nothing to do with the poorly run professional outfit.

As for the players - there was a Just Giving page that collected over £40k when the professional club went out of business to ensure that the players weren't deprived of an income two weeks before Christmas.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 14:47
Any thoughts for the rugby club who miss out on promotion due to London Welsh being forced into their league. Although only for one season and you can denign another team promotion in the league above.

Is there any plan to pay back the money owed to the Government or players who never got paid their salary for playing rugby for London Welsh ......professionals !
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pistacio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 13:23
fair enough. a good pair of lads and its always nice to be part of something special. 
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Originally posted by Pistacio Pistacio wrote:

Out of interest, why did the two forwards drop from London 1 North to play for you? What was the incentive?

Well, I'm guessing that you know who they are Wink

The second row moved because both clubs share a physio, and this gentleman told the player at the beginning of last summer that London Welsh were on the comeback, and basically did a great job of selling the goals and vision.  It just so happened that this coincided with the player moving close to the Richmond area, so he says he was really keen to get involved.  This player then convinced his front row teammate that any Welsh connection - however tenuous - was good enough for him to also join the ODP revolution, and the colleague followed him down.

I know, it sounds too good to be true - but those are the answers they gave in the interviews for the programme.
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Out of interest, why did the two forwards drop from London 1 North to play for you? What was the incentive?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sedge Tiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 12:05
Mark

It is great to hear that London Welsh are baring up well, and things are looking brighter for the future. I for one have many, many great memories of Old Deer Park and wonderful hospitality of Welsh.

Well done to all the volunteers for keeping the club alive.ClapClapClapClapClap

All the best

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Edited by Sedge Tiger - 09 Apr 2018 at 12:06
Give him one with handles on
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