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    Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 21:39
I’m pleased to see that the Westcliff player red carded against Brentwood successfully pleaded not guilty at his hearing so was available to play again this weekend. In my opinion, that was the correct decision.
It was good that having to play with 14 for a lot of the second half didn’t change the result, as that would have been disappointing.

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Red cards cannot be "appealed" but the player can either plead not guilty to the offence at the panel hearing and see what the panel decides, or plead not guilty but with mitigating circumstances and the panel could yet find it "not proven". If found guilty then the player/club has 14 days to lodge an appeal with England Rugby aka RFU.

Sounds like the collision was much like the one at the end of the Tring v Hertford game where the H15 suffered a dislocated elbow in a fair aerial challenge from T14.
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Originally posted by chiefwiggum1984 chiefwiggum1984 wrote:

Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

I’ve just watched the Westcliff red card a few times and I still can’t see how red is the right decision. I admit to being no great expert on rugby laws but it seems to me there are two very committed players racing to catch the ball, arriving almost simultaneously. The Brentwood lad does get the ball but I just see it as an accidental collision. I think if both players had gone down injured, the referee probably wouldn’t have got a card out of any colour.
It seems so harsh to me that a lad will miss games because of something accidental.


can you post the video on here? would be very happy to comment on it 


I don’t have any right to the video as I’m not a club official, just a supporter. I don’t know how red card appeals work, but I’ll be interested to see if the card is appealed and what the outcome is.

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On the Westcliff red card, you see this type of incident in every game. Two people going for a 50:50 ball both intent on the ball only. Both arrive simulataneously but one comes away with the ball and both men go to the ground. This was at greater speed than the usual interception type incident because it was from a cross field kick. Players weren’t in the air. Players both had eyes on the ball. Both arrived at the same time. If there was contact high then there is argument that it should have been penalised in some way but in my opinion it was not and as such shouldn’t even be a penalty. Stop the game for safety and restart with a scrum to the team in possession - Brentwood. Thankfully it didn’t affect the result but it could mean someone unavailable for a time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chiefwiggum1984 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 2018 at 21:22
Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

I’ve just watched the Westcliff red card a few times and I still can’t see how red is the right decision. I admit to being no great expert on rugby laws but it seems to me there are two very committed players racing to catch the ball, arriving almost simultaneously. The Brentwood lad does get the ball but I just see it as an accidental collision. I think if both players had gone down injured, the referee probably wouldn’t have got a card out of any colour.
It seems so harsh to me that a lad will miss games because of something accidental.

can you post the video on here? would be very happy to comment on it 
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I’ve just watched the Westcliff red card a few times and I still can’t see how red is the right decision. I admit to being no great expert on rugby laws but it seems to me there are two very committed players racing to catch the ball, arriving almost simultaneously. The Brentwood lad does get the ball but I just see it as an accidental collision. I think if both players had gone down injured, the referee probably wouldn’t have got a card out of any colour.
It seems so harsh to me that a lad will miss games because of something accidental.
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Tring VS Hertford

From a 5ft6" view on the same touch line


The melee started by the person red carded, the Melee was pushed through the orange plastic tape over the touch line into the crowd.

As mentioned on a previous thread last week the club house side is close to the pitch.

No pitch invasions witnessed.

Hope this helps




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I was at Westcliff v Brentwood, impressed with Westcliff organisation and strength up front, it closed out the game and got them the bonus point 4 mins from time. I have to say something about the red card. I thought it was a red live and after watching the replay, in my opinion, it's still a red. A crossfield kick is taken cleanly by our winger on the run and the Westcliff winger gets there a split second late. 

A lot of people will say it was a fair contest but as soon as the Westcliff player loses the race to the ball he has a duty of care to reduce injury. He leaves his arm in on the man at throat level, probably still going for the ball, he pivots round on that arm and smashes into the ground, face first.  

In no way am I saying he did it on purpose, let's be clear about that. 

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Plus they don't even seem to write any match reports for themselves.
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Tring do not seem to be endearing themselves to many what with the incident with Hertford last week and now another negative post. I think that was evident last year. It is disappointing that the “gentlemen’s game” sometimes replicates behaviour in the round ball game and Tring, Guildford and Sidcup appear to be getting some bad rap. It is good that some clubs in the league continue to get praise from visiting supporters and long should it continue. Tally ho!
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Popped down to watch T Wells v Tring yesterday. Was a gripping, close game with two very committed teams.

Tring had some dangerous big runners but Wells shut them down effectively. They defended like demons, especially in the last 5 minutes, down to 14 with Tring hammering at the line.

Were Tring missing some players? It’s the first time I’ve ever seen them play and to be honest I felt a bit underwhelmed considering their finish last year and the start of this year. They were dominated at the set piece and seemed to lack any real threat outside of their 3 or 4 big ball carriers?

One thing I wasn’t overly impressed with was the attitude of several of the Tring players towards the referee. I felt he controlled the game well and penalised both teams as much as each other for similar offences. However, when Tring had a man down with a head injury with Wells in possession, the referee rightly stopped the game to allow treatment. When a Wells player was down with a head knock with Tring in possession, the referee again stopped the game and immediately he was surrounded by Tring players saying such things as “disgraceful” “joke” etc.
Certainly not in the spirit of the game.

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To clarify, I talked to the player sent off at Tring yesterday, and he said that the spectator came on to the pitch, swung a punch but missed. All Ok then? 
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I watched Westcliff v Brentwood which was a hard fought but pretty scrappy game. The many unusual refereeing decisions given or not given for both sides didn’t help.
A Westcliff player was red carded after a collision when both players ran in opposite directions to catch a cross field kick. Imo an accident with no foul play involved, but which resulted in injury to a Brentwood player who I hope is now ok. Hopefully it will be clear on the video and can be appealed. General opinion from the mixed supporters around me was that it didn’t even warrant a yellow. The touch judge said ‘I’ve no idea where the referee got that red card from, I think he just panicked’ !
A very good win for us with a changed side and we were very surprised that Guildford beat Wimbledon to take us back to the top. I thought our time at the top had gone and Wimbledon were going to steadily pull clear, but it shows how close most teams are in this league this season.

It was great to see our clubhouse so full, with Brentwood bringing a large support. I look forward to the return and hope we can travel in good numbers too.

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Sidcup were very impressive against CS Stags. Totally dominated the scrum and their backs performed. Cup had a young winger making his debut who certainly has some gas and scored an outstanding try! Credit to CS Stags for never giving up and they scored the last try of the game.

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Hertford v Bedford, a high scoring game! Bedford were fine with ball in hand, a couple of elusive backs, but were less settled in defence.
Our red card from Tring will have a discipline hearing this week. I wonder if the Tring supporter that punched him will be called as a witness?
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Dorking 5 v chingford 0 a guess
G's 1 v Wombles 4 not really a guess
Hertford 5 Bedford close to being a guess
Shelford 1 v S & E 4 not a guess
Sidcup 4 v Brexiteers 1 another guess
RTW/Tunbridge/Twells 1 v Tring 4 complete guess
Westcliff 5 Brentwood 0 another guess

Every team is capable of tsking points this season look forward to some interesting results later
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Originally posted by Dangerous Dave Dangerous Dave wrote:

A very disappointing trip on my first visit to Bedford. Felt like a game Cup threw away as opposed to one which 'Ath' won. Fair play to them though, they play with ambition and verve, pouncing on our mistakes very clinically. The pitch didn't seem to claim as many grazes as Shelford, however, a number of players from both team seemed to suffer from cramp, would be interested to hear other posters experiences of watching games played on plastic. 



From what I saw of Shelford's plastic, I didn't think it affected the game in terms of play however I did notice more injury breaks and a lot more stoppages for contact lenses (which I attributed to the rubber chippings which fly up getting in the area). I guess that when you just put a bed of rubber chips onto, what is for all intents and purposes, concrete then you will have more injuries.

But it's things like that that makes me hope that my club never get a plastic pitch.
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Dorking 5-0 Chingford
Guildford 1-5 Wimbledon
Hertford 4-0 Bedford Athletic
Shelford 0-5 Sutton & Epsom
Sidcup 4-1 CS Stags
Tunbridge Wells 1-5 Tring
Westcliff 5-0 Brentwood
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Another week, another set of interesting results to use for guessing at this week's results....basically...anything can happen!

Dorking 4-v-1 Chingford - Feel a close one hear but going with the home advantage.

Guildford 0-v-5 Wimbledon - G's are odd. Both time I've watched them I haven't been impressed at all, but they have sneaked out a win each time so they must be doing something right. Not this week though. Wimbledon to go wombling on. 

Hertford 5-v-1 Bedford Athletic - What a result for Bedford last week but I feel that it was a "blip" from Cup. I feel they will win a few games this year, but not this week. Hertford seemed to have turned a corner maybe?

Shelford 4-v-1 Sutton & Epsom - S&E were well beaten in every department last week by Wells. Shelford fighting for their lives. I'm going for a home win as the surprise of the day! (Sorry Shelford, I've basically just given you the kiss of death, watch them now lose by 50!)

Sidcup 4-v-1 CS Stags 1863 - Cup at home will get their rumble on but the Stags backs may have something to say about the result. Will be close. 

Tunbridge Wells 5-v-2 Tring - Wells seemed to be getting back to full strength and Tring aren't as strong as last year. I predict an entertaining game with plenty of points. 

Westcliff 5-v-0 Brentwood - Wasn't impressed with Brentwood when I saw them and Westcliff on a roll so a comfortable home win I feel. 
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Dorking 4 - 1 Chingford - experience will tell
Guildford 0-5 Wimbledon - Guildford lack ideas or any real standouts in the backs and that’s the only way to get past a huge Dons pack.
Hertford 4-1 Bedford Athletic - who knows what team Hertford really are. I still think they’ll finish in the top half. Bedford won’t.
Shelford 0-5 Sutton & Epsom - not sure if the Shelford pack will ever allow the backs a chance this season. Can’t pick them yet!
Sidcup 1-4 CS Stags - great mid table clash. Could go either way. I take CS form over Sidcup home advantage. Sidcup skipping down there.
Tunbridge Wells 2-2 Tring - not sure about either of these teams and Tring like a close game so score draw!
Westcliff 1-4 Brentwood - Brentwood are battle tested and will enjoy a derby day. Sounds like Westcliff have a few key injuries.
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