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    Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 09:57
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

<span style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: line;">Richard the other major issue you have, that most people have not mentioned is changing and showering facilities.</span><div style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: line;"><br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;">
<div style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: line;">This will be a major issue with upwards of 20 people who used to fit into one room, but now that same amount of people have to be spread over 3 or 4 rooms. You then add in Physio staff and medical staff and all of a sudden you have not enough space for two sides to change! Its interesting to see some sides having to change in the stands in Prem games, that is a major issue.<div style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: line;"><br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;"><div style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: line;">Whilst you are wearing face masks in shops rugby is just not going to get played below the Prem, it's sad but I think that's pretty much a fact.Add in the "R" rate going north as well as Unis going back this week, that is going to increase that rate even more, I think we are look at Jan at best, if at all in the 20/21 season!




I was discussing this at the game with my long suffering better half.  We couldn't understand why local cricketers had to go to a game fully dressed, yet the footballers could use the changing rooms as if nothing has happened.  We agreed that there was no logic in the decision. 




Can they? As you say no sense whatsoever. I knew cricketers couldn't use the changing rooms, but I assumed other sports were the same.
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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Richard the other major issue you have, that most people have not mentioned is changing and showering facilities.

This will be a major issue with upwards of 20 people who used to fit into one room, but now that same amount of people have to be spread over 3 or 4 rooms. You then add in Physio staff and medical staff and all of a sudden you have not enough space for two sides to change! Its interesting to see some sides having to change in the stands in Prem games, that is a major issue.

Whilst you are wearing face masks in shops rugby is just not going to get played below the Prem, it's sad but I think that's pretty much a fact.Add in the "R" rate going north as well as Unis going back this week, that is going to increase that rate even more, I think we are look at Jan at best, if at all in the 20/21 season!



I was discussing this at the game with my long suffering better half.  We couldn't understand why local cricketers had to go to a game fully dressed, yet the footballers could use the changing rooms as if nothing has happened.  We agreed that there was no logic in the decision. 


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Richard the other major issue you have, that most people have not mentioned is changing and showering facilities.

This will be a major issue with upwards of 20 people who used to fit into one room, but now that same amount of people have to be spread over 3 or 4 rooms. You then add in Physio staff and medical staff and all of a sudden you have not enough space for two sides to change! Its interesting to see some sides having to change in the stands in Prem games, that is a major issue.

Whilst you are wearing face masks in shops rugby is just not going to get played below the Prem, it's sad but I think that's pretty much a fact.Add in the "R" rate going north as well as Unis going back this week, that is going to increase that rate even more, I think we are look at Jan at best, if at all in the 20/21 season!


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Originally posted by clieves clieves wrote:

My apologies in advance for sinning below.

I went to watch a football match on Saturday - ground capacity 3000 - permitted attendance was originally 600 but I believe reduced to 400. I'd be surprised if there wasn't more than 400 there.

Temperature of all supporters taken and a one way system in and out of the bar and that was about it with regards to social distancing. We were asked to keep two seats between groups in the stand but rows weren't blocked out so someone was sitting directly behind me. Around the ground apart from the fact people weren't "hemmed in" there didn't seem to be any efforts to socially distance people. 


I went to a 'non league' friendly - although the latter attitude was in short supply yesterday. 

Similar steps in place - 'ticket only', temp check on arrival, check in by app, admittance times limited, one way system, takeaway bar service, blocked off areas (pinch points), restricted seating arrangements, card only, no programme, delayed exits etc. It seemed to work well for both club and supporters and everyone seems to follow the rules. 

It would work for rugby - for 95% of clubs, but I still feel the major issue is for the players and contagion by contact, rather than the fans. Unless that issue is resolved, contact community rugby could still be a long way off. 
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Good job we have that organised team sport rule exempting rugby from the new East German-esc diktat.
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As I understand it we can have groups of up to 6 from multiple households, up to 20 if from two households. At the same time we can only have 30 inside the Clubhouse so most activity has to be outside. We have laid out spaces for that so that groups can use the Bars but stay separate. We are doing the RFU Pitch Up 2 Play this weekend, having started our Mini programme last weekend. We will be monitoring this very carefully to ensure that the rules (law from Monday) are being followed correctly by everyone.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

I've just read that 'organised team sport' is excluded - but presumably only for the players and not the spectators.


As long as each group of up to 6 spectators socially distance from other groups then surely this is allowed - no different from going to the pub or restaurant, apart from being outside so less of a risk

If I can no longer go down the pub with more than 6 mates am not sure I can go in the club bar with them post match either, so this has to have an impact on crowds coming back to games surely?  If it doesn’t then the whole groups of 6 thing will just be ignored / abused.
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My apologies in advance for sinning below.

I went to watch a football match on Saturday - ground capacity 3000 - permitted attendance was originally 600 but I believe reduced to 400. I'd be surprised if there wasn't more than 400 there.

Temperature of all supporters taken and a one way system in and out of the bar and that was about it with regards to social distancing. We were asked to keep two seats between groups in the stand but rows weren't blocked out so someone was sitting directly behind me. Around the ground apart from the fact people weren't "hemmed in" there didn't seem to be any efforts to socially distance people. 
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

I've just read that 'organised team sport' is excluded - but presumably only for the players and not the spectators.


As long as each group of up to 6 spectators socially distance from other groups then surely this is allowed - no different from going to the pub or restaurant, apart from being outside so less of a risk
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I've just read that 'organised team sport' is excluded - but presumably only for the players and not the spectators.

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I am now confused.
We are being usrged to go back to school, university and work.
But we are not meant to socialise.
So god knows when we will be permitted to play rugby.

Cambridge had a good training session for minis, juniors and seniors followed by a scoialy distanced bbq on Saturday. Regretably I arrived late - but not before the food or beer ran out.
So I only saw the videos from training.

Not sure when we will be able to do that agian now, let alone arange a match.

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

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By my reckoning it would take 375 Seats to allow for 100 Social Distant Seating arrangements, therefore Twickers capacity would be around 21K



Can you explain your calculation? Also is it based on 1 or 2m self distancing?


Clearly Raider, my calculations are the same as the RFU/HM Gov one. Big smile



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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

By my reckoning it would take 375 Seats to allow for 100 Social Distant Seating arrangements, therefore Twickers capacity would be around 21K



Can you explain your calculation? Also is it based on 1 or 2m self distancing?

Clearly Raider, my calculations are the same as the RFU/HM Gov one. Big smile

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Apparently accordingto the Times (beind a paywall) the County Cricket grounds have realised they are pubs with outdoor seating. The fact that there might be a cricket match on the green is just an added bonus.

I do not believe this helps rugby.
You can play Cricket from a distance of one metre.
Indeed you can require the batsman - and the keeper if standing up - to wear a helmet with persex over the grille.



Not to mention they can charge you to get into the 'beer garden'
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What it does do is help Cub finances. We can now open our Bar to members and guests and start taking bookings again. We can't play yet but starting to bring in cash is an important step. Let me know when you're down my way and I'll buy you a 1 metre distanced pint!
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Apparently accordingto the Times (beind a paywall) the County Cricket grounds have realised they are pubs with outdoor seating. The fact that there might be a cricket match on the green is just an added bonus.

I do not believe this helps rugby.
You can play Cricket from a distance of one metre.
Indeed you can require the batsman - and the keeper if standing up - to wear a helmet with persex over the grille.

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I remember watching them get very grumpy trying to play the regs to turn a semifinal match into a 10's game to win but coming up against a manager with a copy of the regs on him. They were given 15 mins to decide whether to concede and a play a friendly or play short handed. Some "injured" girls recovered, the game was played and they were beaten (on neutral ground at grasshoppers if I remember rightly) think it was first girls season I was involved in so 5 yrs ago

And I think my daughters team have beaten them a few times, def more times than OA's who are stronger currently 
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You cannot play a friendly game against Welwyn.
Sorry that just does not compute.
Either you turn up with the South West divisional squad or they put 50 points on you.
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i should say i am in Berkshire which only has 13 voting clubs and not even all of them have minis & juniors so a growth from 4 to 7 is from 1/3 to 1/2 of all clubs, agreed no chance of all teams within a year - Slough won't neither would Phoenix/Drifters or Aldermaston, Tadley & Thatcham could (but the latter are v.close to Newbury) and Berkshre Shire Hall was the old council sports and social club before the county council was abolished so v.unlikely.

As for you Raider that would be great but the RFU ruled out cluster clubs for girls rugby - it happens at ladies (crowthorne do stuff with Risborough despite the distance) but the general push seems to be that they believe it dissuades clubs forming their own teams. In Sussex you have the weirdness of Pulborough national U18 champions 3 years out of last 4 who can hardly run a ladies team as their girls get hoovered up (although I know Alex and Julie did great things with the Worthing Girls - great pair)

The big thing is that 5 years ago 12 year old girls were travelling from Newbury to Aylesford in Kent or Welwyn for a Sunday afternoon friendly game but now can play Reading, Bracknell, Abbey or Rams within the county - that will work through the ages and in a few years the adult rugby will follow
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Goals are generally meant to be SMART Specific measurable Achievalbe Relevant and Time bounded.
We are not going to get a women's team in every club this season (if ever).
Surely it is better to have a goal for this season - perhaps a minimum number of teams in every CB - ad I freely admit I have not checked where we are on, so all players have a viable league without too much travel. And then expand from there.


Good suggestion, I know someone who plays rugby but her club haven't got 15 players.

It wood be a good idea to get more women involved - expanding the number of clubs will then maturely follow.
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