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    Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 17:04
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The people who are officially n charge of decisions are

The Rt Hon Oliver Dowden CBE MP  Secretary of State at DDCMS
Nigel Huddleston MP Minister for Sport, Tourism and Heritage
Baroness Barran MBE Minister of State for Civil Society and DCMS responsible for Culture, sports and arts sector recovery from COVID-19

I would write to them.

None of them rugby players!
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The people who are officially n charge of decisions are

The Rt Hon Oliver Dowden CBE MP  Secretary of State at DDCMS
Nigel Huddleston MP Minister for Sport, Tourism and Heritage
Baroness Barran MBE Minister of State for Civil Society and DCMS responsible for Culture, sports and arts sector recovery from COVID-19

I would write to them.


Edited by Camquin - 06 Nov 2020 at 17:02
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SmilingD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2020 at 16:05
What do you expect? That the RFU advise clubs to break the law? New regulations forbid meeting up with more than one other person outside for exercise. That is exactly what stage A says as well. I get that we're all frustrated about what is happening, but you can hardly expect the RFU to do anything else.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 18:04
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

RFU have advised clubs to revert to A on the road map so no training at all. 

Stick the knife in why not?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 10:02
RFU have advised clubs to revert to A on the road map so no training at all. 
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The NCA confirms it is looking at a Cup competition under modified laws but finding ways to include front-row players even without scrums. https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/nca-rugby-announce-plans-for-cup-competition/ 


Sounds like a chance for a lot of back-rowers to try their hand at propping
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2020 at 16:15
The NCA confirms it is looking at a Cup competition under modified laws but finding ways to include front-row players even without scrums. https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/nca-rugby-announce-plans-for-cup-competition/ 

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In my humble opinion the ladies game should be no different. The issue is Transmission of illness !!!!
So will all clubs below Premiership be required to do tests ( too expensive ) with no current revenue from very wealthy God Fathers???

I would be very interested to hear from players as to how they feel about full contact Rugby.

should we just get on with it and to hell with the consequences. or abort the season and start next Autumn and in the meantime do as Worthing , Bar open Sunday roasts, and do as much to entertain members throughout the winter. Therefore no player costs, ( I assume ) depending on contracts.

Oh so many Challenges. less sponsor exposure on match days etc. God I am now getting depressed by just writing this.


What ever happens good luck to all our wonderful clubs and please stay safe

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 15:23
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:


Not the announcement we all wanted but it is Government not the RFU which has to make the decision. 

I'm still trying to work out which is worst!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 13:41
Good point, Marigold! As a Club Secretary I don't remember being asked that question in any depth. It may have been part of the NCA Consultation in August but I can't see it in my copy!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2020 at 09:44
If the adapted laws mean a quicker return to 15-a-side rugby how sad that those who speak for clubs, and probably no longer play the game, are potentially inhibiting the return to play. The adapted laws allow; 15 a side teams, contested scrums, lineouts, mauls, tackling and rucking- a lot more than the ready4rugby rules allow. How many knew the details of adapted laws before they decided against them? The game should be doing all it can to return. Sadly the old farts label extends beyond the RFU Council.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 22:35
Just listened to Steve Grainger speaking in today’s RFU Coronavirus update. The League restructure (if agreed by the RFU Council in November) is being deferred a year to at least 22/23. The RFU are still pressing the Government to allow a return to competitive rugby and that is unlikely to include the adaptations seen in the new Women’s season as Clubs have indicated their preference for proper rugby. He then suggested that any return is likely to focus on localised fixtures to minimise travel. Any return will depend on how Clubs can provide safe changing facilities and how safe clubhouses can be.

Not the announcement we all wanted but it is Government not the RFU which has to make the decision. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 11:51
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

At which point nobody at RFU should be taking any salary.
Wait. You mean they get paid?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 10:54
Not just Guernsey - but the Isle of Man clubs lower down the leagues.
At which point nobody at RFU should be taking any salary.
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Therefore any club playing Guersey, may as well not bother as the cost of getting there and staying over night will wipe out any cost benifit from previous fixtures.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2020 at 09:52
Which ever format the leagues take up , if we can play at all , there will be no traveling Subsidy from the RFU that includes flights and hotels. So every thing will have to be funded by the clubs.
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Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Whoever put them together was neither at the RFU nor the NCA! It’s a draft structure being used as a discussion document! Stop giving it so much weight!!

And discussing is what we are doing is it not ???? Get your “inside” contact at the NCA to read this thread. 

I would say not a single club agree with any groups ..... the problem with common sense is .... it’s not that common !!!!

Ludicrous that someone has even put it together as a draft, who wasted there time ????????

The SW group is spot on, although not sure it's possible to get that one wrong...
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Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

The geographic’s aside I’m surprised no one has mentioned the mismatches these leagues throw up. Potential points carnage in some cases. It will be like the old days Old Boys Somthingorother 0 Richmond 90 but every one had a nice lunch and a few beers. 


Unfortunately that is what happens with cup competitions - unless your opponents are at the same level.

IMO bin the season and prepare for next year where normality may well have returned.

If it hasn't it doesn't bear thinking about!
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I think after the last 12 hours and what's happened in the full time world of the Prem, you can forget any club rugby taking place until they have a vaccine.

Just the thought of 15 National 2 or 1 players calling into work on a Monday morning saying they have to spend the next 14 days in Isolation as we have a positive test and are very sorry but will not able to make it into work, will see the unemployment rate go up even more, I don't see too many employers in these times understanding or taking that call.
Thats without putting a call into the club they have played informing them their players may have the same problem!!

And don't forget its £100 a test  x a 20 man match day squad plus staff so that's  at least 25 x £100 for one test a week for a 1st xv or £10k a month. Clubs just do not have the funds to pay for that!!


Very sorry but if anybody thinks club rugby is starting anytime soon be it league or cup, I would suggest they have a think again, this season will not be played!

Might as well start to plan for 21/22 now  and get everything fully on track for a Sept 21 start.






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wigwam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:54
The geographic’s aside I’m surprised no one has mentioned the mismatches these leagues throw up. Potential points carnage in some cases. It will be like the old days Old Boys Somthingorother 0 Richmond 90 but every one had a nice lunch and a few beers. 
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