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    Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 08:48
This is already buried news on this forum as the discussion about it was locked and buried months ago
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 22:43
The use of enhancement substances are prevalent at move levels....

within a game that relies on players having such a quick turnaround after the punishment the body takes on a Saturday afternoon, It is not possible for the body to recover the required amount between games let alone adding team training and also Personal training on top of that

TT you know as well as most this is the case, however I understand you always missed legs day Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 11:45
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

OP i doubt very much the game side were aware. One of the bans was for driving one of the guilty away from the testing  not taking anything. I am disappointed by your little englander slur on foreign players. Whilst he qualified and played for Romania through ancestry he was brought up in and played for a variety of English clubs. Sadly just an example of individuals thinking they can break the rules and get away with it- no apologist for this behaviour but ultimately far less dangerous to others than those who enjoy a few beers at the rugby club and then drive home.

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Would you not agree that generally, a player would 'avoid' being tested for one reason only?

I don't think OP made any 'slur' against foreign players. OP said 'foreign international'. I believe that OP was referring to the higher level of rugby played by that individual, which may in turn have seen him need to remain at a higher level of fitness. In his case, through the use of banned substances. 
This player was a prolific try scorer at Levels 4 & 5. We now know he 'cheated'. How would you feel if this 'cheat' had scored a number of tries against your club in a level 5 match? 
I agree that this is a sad state of affairs but to say that this 'cheating' is less dangerous than drink driving is strange indeed. I don't see the comparability?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 07:52
OP i doubt very much the game side were aware. One of the bans was for driving one of the guilty away from the testing  not taking anything. I am disappointed by your little englander slur on foreign players. Whilst he qualified and played for Romania through ancestry he was brought up in and played for a variety of English clubs. Sadly just an example of individuals thinking they can break the rules and get away with it- no apologist for this behaviour but ultimately far less dangerous to others than those who enjoy a few beers at the rugby club and then drive home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 23:21
Supporting Sid 

Were the club aware of the 'goings on' which I doubt but were the DOR and Coaching staff aware of what was happening

I agree that this kind of enhancement is possible and kept away from the club executive but  the game side of the club must have had knowledge of the miscreants when 3 players were involved. It is . also interesting that an foreign international was involved. was he who introduced the options to local kads
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 22:51
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Old news, both players left the Hull RFC  club before the start of last season 

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To be fair, the 'old news' is that all 3 incidents occurred in Feb 2019 but, the posting refers to the 'new'' news' that the 2 further sanction decisions have  finally been decided, in July 2020. The first sanction decision was in Nov 2019. Even with delays due to Covid-19, 17 months is quite some time for the remaining 2 players to await their fate. 

Do you think 3 UKAD Sanctions at one RU Club is evidence of systemic failure at the Club or, would you say that the individual players are wholly responsible? I believe all 3 players were regular players at the time of the incidents but they have since left Hull RUFC. Do you know if they were asked to leave?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 22:24
Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

If they were able to test all the players in Nat 1 and below they'd find that many hundreds had taken performance enhancing drugs. The amount of it going on would be staggering to many on here who have no experience of the bodybuilding/gym/weight lifting culture prevalent today among young men. It's huge. 

That is quite a 'throw away' comment FC. Can you support it?
I prefer to believe that there are far more players who do not break the rules, than those that do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 22:06
To be absolutely clear this was HULL RFC. Three players were involved. The two named plus one who was dealt with separately who was a Romanian International 7's player.

Those players are now out of the game for sometime, thank goodness 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 20:31
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

To be clear, this is Hull RUFC, *not* Hull Ionians.

Thought that was clear anyway - Ionians not mentioned at all in the link.
I know, but it's easy to be a bit lazy and refer to Ionians as "Hull", overlooking the other club's existence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 15:22
no drug testers cos of COVID at the moment smash it in boys 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 12:11
If they were able to test all the players in Nat 1 and below they'd find that many hundreds had taken performance enhancing drugs. The amount of it going on would be staggering to many on here who have no experience of the bodybuilding/gym/weight lifting culture prevalent today among young men. It's huge. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 11:55
Old news, both players left the Hull RFC  club before the start of last season 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 11:34
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

To be clear, this is Hull RUFC, *not* Hull Ionians.


Thought that was clear anyway - Ionians not mentioned at all in the link.

Well you'd think so, but it does beg the question of why it was on the National 1 board - never mind any confusion with Ionians (who, like last time, I'm sorry to lose - good fans, good ground)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 11:05
Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

To be clear, this is Hull RUFC, *not* Hull Ionians.


Thought that was clear anyway - Ionians not mentioned at all in the link.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2020 at 10:44
To be clear, this is Hull RUFC, *not* Hull Ionians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 22:14
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

If your club cannot find four people to be on the committee how do they find 15 to turn out on Saturday.


They pay them?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 15:53
If your club cannot find four people to be on the committee how do they find 15 to turn out on Saturday.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 08:05
One problem with the declaration for lower clubs was when the Chairman was also the Treasurer and the guy who washed the kit as well as marking the pitches etc etc. GMS would not accept that someone could have multiple Golden Roles and went in to melt down.

I understand that governance are looking to drop the 4 signatories to 2 at lower league levels to ease the process. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 19:11
There is nothing to read through.  All the submission requires is a total figure spent on paying players and coaches, including taxable expenses.  For most clubs this a relatively simple figure to get correct, but gets more complicated where players have jobs linked to playing rugby for the club.  This is probably where Plymouth struggled.
No supporting documents are requested by the RFU.

In true GMS style thought the IT around the system only works when it want to!
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