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    Posted: 08 May 2018 at 19:36
Now that Chinnor have gone up, does anyone know which club will move South ? Unless anyone volunteers it will be the team with the lowest total millage ? 

Any ideas who that is ? a Leicester team, or Hinckley ? Not entirely sure just guessing. 
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We have been asked if we want to volunteer, unlikely, so my best guess is Birmingham & Solihull.
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Stourbridge?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2018 at 22:30
I may be speaking out of turn here but it could be a good move for an aspiring team as IMO the bigger money players have moved up over the last couple of years so pretty even league next year. Mind you I could be hopelessly wrong
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2018 at 01:58
I believe those with time on their hands - of a goole API key - have figured out the Birmingham and Soliull are on the hook due to lowest milage - unless anyone volunteers.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I believe those with time on their hands - of a goole API key - have figured out the Birmingham and Soliull are on the hook due to lowest milage - unless anyone volunteers.

Having seen what happened to Broadstreet (and Towcestrians in Nat 3 LSE), I can't imagine many northern teams would want to volunteer to go south. At least B&S have an airport in their vicinity so when they go to Guernsey, it won't be that bad for them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2018 at 09:36
This may seem a bit left field but given the formula is mileage to the southern clubs what would be the theoretical answer if it was mileage to the northern clubs from those in the midlands?
 
Also do Luctonians come into the frame if they stay up?
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times like these....makes you wonder why the proposed change to 3 national 2 leagues never went ahead.
 
could easily have a nat 2 midlands?
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:


This may seem a bit left field but given the formula is mileage to the southern clubs what would be the theoretical answer if it was mileage to the northern clubs from those in the midlands?
 
Also do Luctonians come into the frame if they stay up?


I think they may be too far North in mileage compared to PL or B&S.
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Birmingham & Solihull are my favourites, their total mileage is some 200 miles less than Stourbridge. Not checked Luctonians as I expected them to go down - however with only one more 5 pointer required to stay up it has become a possibility that they will escape.

As for Peterborough- too many trips to Bristol and beyond this year so I don't think so.

Of course someone might volunteer for all that extra travel - do they get a sweetener?
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Originally posted by wesleysnipes wesleysnipes wrote:

times like these....makes you wonder why the proposed change to 3 national 2 leagues never went ahead.
 
could easily have a nat 2 midlands?
 
You have its called level 5
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Luctonians journeys would be over 350 miles further than B & S.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2018 at 14:59
So are we saying that even if they stay up Lucs would be level transferred anyway. Fairly rock and hard place.
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:


So are we saying that even if they stay up Lucs would be level transferred anyway. Fairly rock and hard place.

No. Lucs is 350 miles further to N2S clubs than Bees - so unless they volunteer (!), Lucs will stay in N2N.
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RFU did look at having 3 level 4 leagues to reduce travel etc.
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Originally posted by wesleysnipes wesleysnipes wrote:


RFU did look at having 3 level 4 leagues to reduce travel etc.


That suggestion was not very well thought through.

If they stuck to the 32 clubs currently at level 4 there would not have been enough home games to bring in finances.

If they added a further 16 teams to retain the same number of home games there would have been too many mis-matches.

What ever they did there would only be 1 team promoted from each of the 3 divisions.

There would also have been a problem with promotion to level 4 as there are 4 divisions beneath. Unless they restructured to only have 3 divisions beneath.
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There proposal was 8 into 3.
In fact there initial proposal was simply to lose level 3 and go 1-4-8.
Frankly neither made much difference to overall travel.
In fact the cup added more travel than the league saved.
To really save travel you need a much wider pyramid and accept more mismatches.
So a 1-3-9-27 or 1-4-16-32 structure
Both mean revising the CBs.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

There proposal was 8 into 3.
In fact there initial proposal was simply to lose level 3 and go 1-4-8.
Frankly neither made much difference to overall travel.
In fact the cup added more travel than the league saved.
To really save travel you need a much wider pyramid and accept more mismatches.
So a 1-3-9-27 or 1-4-16-32 structure
Both mean revising the CBs.


That will be the end of competitive league rugby - supporters will soon get fed up with landslide scores even if they are winning.

The system we have may not be perfect, but leagues are competitive (more so than 8 years ago) - results cannot be taken for granted, so why try to change something that isn't broken.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hopping Mad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2018 at 08:54
I'd suggest that those in the North might disagree as to whether it is broken.
The point made to me at our club is it would be interesting to know if those Northern Clubs that voted against going more regional and have since fallen from Level 3 now feel they were short sighted in what the real outlook was for the club game in the North.
 
Being a supporter of a club that has just had a season at Level 5 having normally been at Level 4, the more regional structure had untold benefits in terms of engagement and older players wanting to stay involved due to reduced travel.
 
Rather then the oft trotted out line of "competition levels will suffer" how about you strengthen from the bottom up?
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Originally posted by Hopping Mad Hopping Mad wrote:

 
Rather then the oft trotted out line of "competition levels will suffer" how about you strengthen from the bottom up?
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