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I certainly wasn't having a go in any way at Sale FC. As I said, from my experiences against them last season I thought that they were a well run and well organised club - and a "proper" one at that. To have as many minis and juniors there as we saw takes some doing. I was just a little surprised to apparently see so few there last Saturday and also to hear others (whom I assumed had more knowledge of them than me) inferring that they were [poorly supported. I did say that there may have been a lot more behind the camera.  I also think that there are enough really top rugby people involved in the management up there to avoid them ever becoming a puppet or 2nd XV for Sale Sharks - which would be a disaster in my opinion. 
However I can speak from a much more personal and knowledgeable perspective about some of the other clubs in the division and how they are run.
 
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The one area we do suffer from is the split between Sharks and Sale FC in terms of supporters, when Sharks left, so did much of the support. Sale FC were put into level 12/13 and Sharks were Premiership so clearly most supporters went with the Sharks. 

 The decision was made to Reboot the club and utilise the facilities by climbing back up the leagues.  Some excellent decisions were made but some poor ones were made too.  

We are now definitely headed in the right direction, with numbers of M&J's climbing (and as you rightly said, without that, the foundations aren't there), more involvement from the community and businesses, improved social media presence, more engagement with players and M&J's.  As an example we used to get Sale Sharks down to do our annual M&J awards, we now have the 1st team players down and the kids love it, obviously the mums miss Cipriani, but you can't please everyone all the time.

Genuinely though, even the best clubs at this level in terms of support aren't exactly rolling in the numbers especially given the high standard of rugby being played.  How that's fixed is something we all need to work on.

One thing I do find uncomfortable though is this idea from some that Sale are going to just walk into National One.  Two seasons ago, we just avoided relegation, last season we just missed promotion. This season, it's no secret we are aiming for promotion, but you've got to win your games.  Last season Caldy dropped just two games (both to Sedgley Park) and one draw to South Leicester, now I'm not suggesting we'll lose at home to Sedgley Park........... 

I suspect this season, that the league will be much more of a bunfight, which is good. The more competitive it is, the more interest people will have in it.

As for Sale FC becoming a "puppet or 2nd XV" for Sale Sharks, I concur, I think that's a mistake that was already made when Sharks were at Heywood Rd and the DOR at the time got rid of everything that wasn't designed to improve the 1st XV (so the Women's teams, 2nd, 3rd, Colts etc).  I'd hope that mistake is never made again as I suspect it would be terminal for the club.
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Great post well said and I concur completely.  And good luck!
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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:


To spice things up a bit could you get 'Sharky' to have a bet with someone from Tynedale about the winning margin for Sale FC. Always worth a giggle.....last season Sharky wagered that Caldy wouldn't get within 20 points of Sale at Heywood Road and promised to let me cut his blond locks in the Sale clubhouse if they did so....

I genuinely have not the faintest idea who "Sharky" is.  He sounds a bit of a K__B to be honest, so, I'm glad I don't know who he is.  He clearly wasn't clued in on Caldy, we gave them two tough games, but 20 points clear is clearly a delusional prediction for most of the games in this league.



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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:


To spice things up a bit could you get 'Sharky' to have a bet with someone from Tynedale about the winning margin for Sale FC. Always worth a giggle.....last season Sharky wagered that Caldy wouldn't get within 20 points of Sale at Heywood Road and promised to let me cut his blond locks in the Sale clubhouse if they did so....

I genuinely have not the faintest idea who "Sharky" is.  He sounds a bit of a K__B to be honest, so, I'm glad I don't know who he is.  He clearly wasn't clued in on Caldy, we gave them two tough games, but 20 points clear is clearly a delusional prediction for most of the games in this league.


Great first posts Jimbob, and Sharky was clearly a delusional K....Head....which isn't as bad as it sounds because  funnily enough that is Mrs Bolognese pet name for me.......
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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Sleeping giant of English rugby just starting to flex its muscle and now up against relative minnows from Corbridge........Sale have the ambition, the finance, the players and the infrastructure to power through to Level 2.........Tynedale have a lovely view.

Tynedale appear to have a hard working side but almost certainly do not have the combination of flair, ability, power and the vast experience of a Sale side which is now coming together.

Usually when a plucky but limited little 'un goes up against a powerful and talented big 'un there is only one realistic outcome.


So Tynedale still perfect and Sale winless away from home albeit a very close game poplins wise. Too early to call Stourbridge and Tynedale for the top two spots?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 17:52
Great result for Tynedale ......I am genuinely thrilled for them. The limited plucky little club showed me just how limited they are The big side will have to just get limited themselves
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 18:03
Reports of a massive earthquake in the Caldy area are unfounded, it has been announce that the massive bang was just Big Eddie falling off his stool πŸ˜‹πŸ‘
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Originally posted by Alderman Alderman wrote:

Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Sleeping giant of English rugby just starting to flex its muscle and now up against relative minnows from Corbridge........Sale have the ambition, the finance, the players and the infrastructure to power through to Level 2.........Tynedale have a lovely view.

Tynedale appear to have a hard working side but almost certainly do not have the combination of flair, ability, power and the vast experience of a Sale side which is now coming together.

Usually when a plucky but limited little 'un goes up against a powerful and talented big 'un there is only one realistic outcome.


So Tynedale still perfect and Sale winless away from home albeit a very close game poplins wise. Too early to call Stourbridge and Tynedale for the top two spots?

Yes, especially as Tyne have So Lei and Hinckley  coming up. Stour at Tyne in early Dec could be unmissable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Porkpieman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 19:38
December 9th is indeed looking like it's going to be a cracker! A Stour W & a night on the Toon after, what a perfect birthday prezzy that would be!
One step at a time though as we travel to Leicester Lions next week!
Well done Tynedale today & thanks to BE for all the pre game entertainment!! πŸ˜€
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I think you will find BE does not like Sale that much, methinks its all reverse psychology. (And working well) What do you expect from a North Welsh Winger. Reasoned joined up thinkingπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

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Originally posted by Sedge Tiger Sedge Tiger wrote:

I think you will find BE does not like Sale that much, methinks its all reverse psychology. (And working well) What do you expect from a North Welsh Winger. Reasoned joined up thinkingπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

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Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Reports of a massive earthquake in the Caldy area are unfounded, it has been announce that the massive bang was just Big Eddie falling off his stool πŸ˜‹πŸ‘
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I thought only softie southerners drank wine at Rugby.
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From the outside looking in, it appears Sale were very good on Saturday & might well have won if a last second drop goal had gone over. Fine margins...
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

From the outside looking in, it appears Sale were very good on Saturday & might well have won if a last second drop goal had gone over. Fine margins...

Sale have the advantage with their infrastructure, financial muscle and Premiership tie up so in my view the bar has to be higher for them. Every team will see their games against Sale as probably their biggest of the season....if Sale win the league they will have thoroughly deserved it.

There are 8 or 9 clubs who in a one off game have the ability to beat Sale in this league and they will be lying in wait for them. My view of these clubs ranked in no particular order:

Tynedale....an easy one!
Stourbridge
Sedgley Tigers
Hinckley
South Leicester
Huddersfield at Lockwood Park
Luctonians at Mortimer Park
Leicester Lions at home
Chester

3 or 4 of these sides could do it home and away. Winning National 2 North in 2018 is going to be very difficult indeed. If Sale manage it they will have earned it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 10:20
30 minutes or so without a try was still pretty enthralling. Even the crowd at Tynedale who are generally used a few thrills and spills( and high scores)on a Saturday appreciated the efforts of both sides. The drop goal would have won the game but that also tends to bely the other nearly moments.
 
Sale were rightly disappointed with a number of aspects of their game(including inexplicably chirping at the referee who didn't appreciate it) but Tynedale have a lot more to work on as well to be contenders. I haven't looked in depth but everyone that Tyne beaten this year seem to have followed up with a few decent result straight after.
 
I totally agree BE with your assessment above but that list also applies to everyone on it and of course you can add the prospect of Heywood road to it as well.
 
What will be very interesting is how many games that you can lose and still be champions or in the play off spot. I have a feeling it wont be the 2.5(I think) that was the case last year.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I thought only softie southerners drank wine at Rugby.
3 bottles a on a good sat for BE
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 18:38
.....and a few snorters from your never empty hip flask Pen 15...........but I think Rosslyn Park is going to be a champagne kind of trip.....
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