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    Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 09:58
so what do people think will happen in Cardiff on Saturday evening?. I think it will be very tight but I think England will edge it as they have a bit more power in the forwards. England by 5 points.      
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 16:21
I'm a Wales fan.  I'm trying not to think about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 07:44
I'm with MWJ in the 'trying not to think about it' camp...

As an England fan I have two main worries: firstly that recent form (hot for one side, luke-warm for t'other) is regularly over-rated as a factor ahead of 'on the day' issues such as hunger, atmosphere, nerves, pressure, bounce of the ball and reffing decisions; secondly, the fact that John Terry visited the England camp this week to address the squad...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 07:55
In my humble opinion Wales are massive favourites.

I'm an Englishman, with a Welsh mother - oh how I suffered in the 70's with jubilant Welsh uncles on the phone on a Saturday after England v Wales games.

England's "Form" rarely has much to do with this game - the fantastic passion of the crowd in the stadium (Arms Park or the new place !) is a real factor. Add to that the way the Welsh seem to be able to raise their standards for any England side.

As much as I would love England to win, I can't see it - Wales by 10
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Donnyknightsfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 09:35
Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

In my humble opinion Wales are massive favourites.

I'm an Englishman, with a Welsh mother - oh how I suffered in the 70's with jubilant Welsh uncles on the phone on a Saturday after England v Wales games.

England's "Form" rarely has much to do with this game - the fantastic passion of the crowd in the stadium (Arms Park or the new place !) is a real factor. Add to that the way the Welsh seem to be able to raise their standards for any England side.

As much as I would love England to win, I can't see it - Wales by 10


well I don't think Wales will win by 10 points. setting myself up for a fall I know but I think England are the better side. I think International rugby players should be able to cope with a passionate crowd.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 10:58
Maybe they should DKF, but there are a series of examples in the last three decades when England have headed to Cardiff, Dublin or Edinburgh as favourites for a crucial encounter, and come unstuck...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 11:58
I am also in the Wales camp (despite being English) Best lesson in sport "Never believe your own publicity" and England are being built up as World Cup favourites after just 2 decent performances
Strange thing is even if England are beaten (without conceding 4 tries - God forbid!) I would still expect them to pick up a losing bonus point in which case we could see a Welsh Grand Slam but an English Title - Odd!!
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You get three bonus points for winning a Grand Slam to negate that possibility.
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As a Welsh fan I am very nervous about Saturday. Parkes and Davies don't seem to have clicked for either Wales or the Scarlets this year, and I think this could be exploited by the in-form England midfield (personally I think Davies plays much better with Scott Williams, who unfortunately is injured). The uncertainty over our best halfback combination is also a concern (I really hope Webb comes back to Wales before the World Cup!!). Anscombe offers more in attack than Biggar, but can we trust his boot in the (probable) absence of Halfpenny? I think it's a bit soon to chuck Patchell back into the mix, although if fully fit, I think he is our best 10. Our line out is an ongoing problem too.

Hopefully all these issues dissipate on Saturday and Wales get over the line, but I think England will win by around 10 points.

In any case, I've got tickets, and can't wait!!

As a side note, it's so refreshing to read the comments on this message board from proper rugby fans, rather than the cloudberry drivel posted in the comments section of BBC articles. 


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Thanks Mark W-J Didnt realise that - best make sure England win then!!
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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

In my humble opinion Wales are massive favourites.

I'm  an Englishman, with a Welsh mother - oh how I suffered in the 70's with jubilant Welsh uncles on the phone on a Saturday after England v Wales games.

England's "Form" rarely has much to do with this game - the fantastic passion of the crowd in the stadium (Arms Park or the new place !) is a real factor. Add to that the way the Welsh seem to be able to raise their standards for any England side.

As much as I would love England to win, I can't see it - Wales by 10
 

Like you Mike I'm  English ( Stretford) with a mother from Cardiff although my father was a round ball player. From what Ive seen so far this year I don't think Wales are quite as together as they have been whereas England have stepped up. England by 10 a more realistic bet for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 15:47
England have always been perceived to be a bit arrogant when favourites and faltered because they haven't ultimately believed in themselves. They don't seem to revel in their own billing and expectation.
 Eddie Jones, amongst other things, has  seemingly instilled in them that  is actually ok to win. The Celtic nations and the Southern Hemisphere have always had it in spades because they all want to beat England.
Wilson, Curry etc wont be fazed by expectation but will they win.
 
I ........ hope so and set up another classic at Twickenham.
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Unfortunately I expect England to win by a couple of scores. Although it pains me to say it they have played almost perfect rugby for the last two games and they have been lucky with injuries in that:

1. Itoje may be a brilliant athlete but he is prone to giving away penalties and he is a hot head. I would prefer to be facing him than Courtney Lawes

2. Ashton is out. He may be a brilliant athlete and finisher but he is prone to giving away penalties and he is a hot head.

3. Mako Vunipola is a miss for England but he was made in Wales and he would surely have cracked at the emotion of it all playing in front of the best crowd in world rugby at the best stadium in the world in his true homeland.

Myself and Mrs Bolognese  have invited some of the great and good from Caldy around for dinner on the Friday night together with their rather more balanced and hopefully more neutral partners. There is a chance I will be subject to some sort of humiliation before and after the game..........
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

I'm with MWJ in the 'trying not to think about it' camp...

As an England fan I have two main worries:........ the fact that John Terry visited the England camp this week to address the squad...

Welsh players and management had Gareth J Bale (the actor not the footballer) put on his one man show 'Grav' in the English changing room at the Principality Stadium on Monday night. Robin Mcbryde and Ken Owens were in tears at the emotion of it all.

John Terry or Ray Gravell? I think Wales come out on top in this one!!
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I am just looking forward to it as it is always a Special game and sitting in a Surrey pub, ran by a great Welsh couple will make it all the more fun
 
I think England certainly have more continuity in terms of shape and don't underestimated Daly's boot if the roof is closed
 
What I like about England is they are clearly enjoying their rugby again and aside from Sinckler, have kept their cool against Ireland and France, fixtures which have always been pron to niggle. I think it may be in the Wales plan to cause a bit of this and see can if England get suckered in
 
All that is missing is the great Bill McLaren commentating!  


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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

I'm with MWJ in the 'trying not to think about it' camp...

As an England fan I have two main worries:........ the fact that John Terry visited the England camp this week to address the squad...

Welsh players and management had Gareth J Bale (the actor not the footballer) put on his one man show 'Grav' in the English changing room at the Principality Stadium on Monday night. Robin Mcbryde and Ken Owens were in tears at the emotion of it all.

John Terry or Ray Gravell? I think Wales come out on top in this one!!


Not 'arf BE - Wales win that one by about the same score that NZ beat Japan in one of the early World Cups...

I now have a third worry - that you are talking up England in the same masterful way that you big up Caldy's opponents before they head up the the wooden shack and promptly get their trousers pulled down! Tongue
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10 months ago England supporters were calling for Eddie Jones to be sacked. Two excellent performances so far granted and Wales have been below par so far this championship but write us off at your peril! 😁
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Originally posted by Shamrose Shamrose wrote:


I am just looking forward to it as it is always a Special game and sitting in a Surrey pub, ran by a great Welsh couple will make it all the more fun
 
I think England certainly have more continuity in terms of shape and don't underestimated Daly's boot if the roof is closed
 
What I like about England is they are clearly enjoying their rugby again and aside from Sinckler, have kept their cool against Ireland and France, fixtures which have always been pron to niggle. I think it may be in the Wales plan to cause a bit of this and see can if England get suckered in
 
All that is missing is the great Bill McLaren commentating!  




As long as we don't have to put up with Eddie Butler on commentary
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Agreed Butler is awful. Worst thing about living in Wales is he gets more air time here!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 21:13
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:



As long as we don't have to put up with Eddie Butler on commentary


It's on BBC, so we may have to...

Quite a few John Terry comments on Twitter, led by Stephen Jones of the Sunday Times:

Stephen Jones @stephenjones9 88 hours ago

Followers of rugby in Wales will hope that John Terry, in his talk about leadership with the England rugby team this week, passed on the secrets of how he led the golden generation of England international footballers for so long without winning so much as a goldfish.

I wondered if Terry, who famously had a liaison with a team-mate's wife, was engaged because of his expertise in playing away...
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