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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Collapsingmaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2018 at 13:35
Love the club but its finished,the attitude of thinking the club members think we are better than we are is rubbish,it needs a huge personality to come in and take the reigns and breathe some life into it,the volunteers,legends about the place deserve alot better than they are getting,if anything it needs to have more confidence and revert back to the attitude that we are waterloo,I see a relegation or a move to the sunday pub lancashire league before promotion.

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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Read on the Chester website that, at one period in the season they used 5 hookers in the prop position. So that begs the question, why would Scotty go there & what's been promised?


My understanding from the Chairman's address at this year's AGM - which was indeed posted on our website - is that we had massive injury problems in the front row. We suffered in other positions also in the first half of the season which really had an impact. But the lads from the seconds and thirds really stepped up.

We have a good set-up at Chester. The management decided that in order to make the first team as strong as possible we would also need to do the same with the seconds and thirds. Lots of rotation in the majority of positions meant that a good number of first team regulars would drop down to the second for a few games, and the for second team players dropping down to the thirds.

In the short-term this has meant that we have finished a little further down the table than we could - and I expect more of the same next season - but in the long-term it will mean competition for all three teams will increase, and when we get a spell of injuries again the players will be able to slot in nicely.
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How does that work,do you get paid playing for the 2s? Or is it the fringe players who don't get paid that are rotated? Presumably chester have a playing budget in nat 2?
It's a shady area the paying of players with each club claiming to be whiter than the others but it seems like waterloo are skint for sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Vadar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2018 at 17:21
Just on that point, why do lower level clubs feel the need to have to pay players anyway?!!!

Shouldn't league tables determine the success or failure of a team rather than how deep their pockets are?

Even if teams are even mildly 'successful' where do they think they are going to go? The Premiership? Hardly!

Isn't it all just a recipe for disaster and detrimental to the sport in the medium to longer term?








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Agree entirely with the earlier post - the club should lay solid foundations at senior level with a strong 2nd/3rd team. Again, it comes down to the coaches man management skills to retain the best players and encourage them that the experience of first team rugby at a slightly lower level is better than 2/3rd team in a league or two above. In Loo’s case, the wheels came off as soon as JLo left.
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Rugby clubs start as a a bunch of friends getting together to have fun.
But sport being a competition, people like to win.
So supporters look to find ways to help their side win more often.
And one way they can do that is if player plays all day.
So they look to find ways to let them do that.
So they employ them, or simply pay them to play.

And then there is a major row between the upstart Northern clubs with working class players that need to be paid  and the southern ones full of rich men who are rich enough they have time to practice anyway - or are prepared to slip those who need it boot money while officials look the other way.

If your sport is lucky, it manages transition well and goes global.
If you are not, it fractures and becomes a minority.
But eventually, one way or another, the sport goes open and payment is done in the open.

Big clubs take a gate, and advertising and take money from sponsors and do well.
If they rely on a singe sponsor things go wrong - and sometime a club collapses and needs to be rescued, rebuilt or whatever. But generally more clubs come along than fail.

Then TV gets involved and money goes through the roof, the biggest clubs try to grab all the money.
Everyone else tries to work out how to survive.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2018 at 16:11
Apparently it's not so bad after all. New blood soon to be announced.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pen 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2018 at 17:16
Matt Crowe back? in talks with Annie's and park as well I hear
was told ,at the end of 16/17 we will not see you next season but we will the one after .think not otley
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Announcements soon? December?!LOL
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Pre season started last night surely those in the know would have been down viewing to see any new recruits?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2018 at 11:31
Anselmians quickly becoming mini Caldy. Is that 5 now?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pen 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2018 at 12:39
I do believe it is 5 plus 1 lad who played at Wirral for 1 season .
was told ,at the end of 16/17 we will not see you next season but we will the one after .think not otley
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pen 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2018 at 12:40
Originally posted by RumbleintheBlundell RumbleintheBlundell wrote:

Announcements soon? December?!LOL
obviously waiting for the rugby league season to end
was told ,at the end of 16/17 we will not see you next season but we will the one after .think not otley
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2018 at 12:52
Wonder what it is so attractive for some of these boys, who could possibly still play Nat2, definitely Prem, go past wirral & join Anselmians...now let me think.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2018 at 13:02
I don't think a club who sold land (and possibly their soul) to continue funding a semi-pro operation has any right to criticise another club who wants to have a go at going down that route
All of a sudden "its not fair, they've got more money than us!"
When the game went professional it went professional and e everyone is entitled to join in if they want to!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote taniwha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2018 at 13:58
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I don't think a club who sold land (and possibly their soul) to continue funding a semi-pro operation has any right to criticise another club who wants to have a go at going down that route
All of a sudden "its not fair, they've got more money than us!"
When the game went professional it went professional and e everyone is entitled to join in if they want to!
 

Indeed and good luck to you if you have access to the cash and are aware of all the implications of spending on players.

It doesn't sit well with 'Bach and we have remained a CASC club throughout our time at L5.


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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I don't think a club who sold land (and possibly their soul) to continue funding a semi-pro operation has any right to criticise another club who wants to have a go at going down that route
All of a sudden "its not fair, they've got more money than us!"
When the game went professional it went professional and e everyone is entitled to join in if they want to!


Just an observation, more aimed at players. If the club can afford & sustain, brilliant. We've had a player leave this week heading two levels above at Chester, that's ambition. Players who are still capable of higher levels dropping down for cash surprises.
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I don't think a club who sold land (and possibly their soul) to continue funding a semi-pro operation has any right to criticise another club who wants to have a go at going down that route
All of a sudden "its not fair, they've got more money than us!"
When the game went professional it went professional and e everyone is entitled to join in if they want to!


Just an observation, more aimed at players. If the club can afford & sustain, brilliant. We've had a player leave this week heading two levels above at Chester, that's ambition. Players who are still capable of higher levels dropping down for cash surprises.
 

Yep it happens. We've just lost a Cheshire centre to Caldy and we can't really begrudge him that: L5 to L3 and he'll be picking up some pennies. On the up side we've also had a centre/wing from Chester and a Cheshire 9 from Macc. Both of who won't get a bean for playing. Just good coaching and even better craic.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RatBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2018 at 04:02
Great to see what’s happening at Chester in terms of rotating 1xv and 2xv players to breed a stronger, more sustainable, larger squad for the long term future - great move and very ethical

Must have worked as Chester 2xv were on fire and 1xv finished in the top half

Regarding caldy and Annie’s, lets be clear - Annies have signed 2xv players in Danny Salisbury, Paul Selwood and Liam Issacs (plus whoever else), with Matt Fowler’s going after a year spent at Wirral of which i dont think he played a great deal

What’s not keep those players at caldy, of which one came up through the youth and one is a great club man (Salisbury) is that they felt they had nothing to play?!

I worry that caldy will be the next Waterloo, bringing in all these big time Timmy’s on £££, them not playing 2xv, the club fociusiong solely on 1xv (its 3xv has folded)

Only takes them to have a bad season, big time Timmy’s to leave, there squad to be diminished, a tough national 2 with a small squad, another relegation

Who’s going to go join a club in a downward spiral?

Pretty much what’s played out on these 71 pages

Good luck to the lads who have gone Annie’s, hopefully they find their love for the sport and Annie’s prosper

And good luck Waterloo in, what should have been an exciting year for growth after almost reaching the play offs

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