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Steam Packet have a ferry that leaves Douglas 10 am and arrives in Liverpool at 12.45
Return trip leaves Liverpool at 19.15 pm and arrives in Douglas 22.00 pm Coach at Liverpool each way .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 15:16
I think not Tulip - leaving aside seasickness there is the small matter of disembarking the boat ,finding the bus and then navigating the motorway network on a Sat afternoon. much too tight.

In no way am I suggesting that the smaller island teams shouldn't be involved with games against the rest but it is clear that something needs to be done.
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Hi guys, this is probably not the right thread but... I've just found out that one of the very best young talents in the NW has ultimately walked away from Rugby...full stop. He was part of Sale sharks from 13-16 but was released from the program last year. The very weekend after he came up against the guy deemed better at sale. Needless to say that our lad smoked him. Ever since he lost faith in rugby whilst still playing at school but not at Waterloo colts. He's now left school this week & with it turned his back on the sport. I'm really emotional about this, angry with what people don't see in front of their eyes, & the fact he's walked away. Really gutted.
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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Hi guys, this is probably not the right thread but... I've just found out that one of the very best young talents in the NW has ultimately walked away from Rugby...full stop. He was part of Sale sharks from 13-16 but was released from the program last year. The very weekend after he came up against the guy deemed better at sale. Needless to say that our lad smoked him. Ever since he lost faith in rugby whilst still playing at school but not at Waterloo colts. He's now left school this week & with it turned his back on the sport. I'm really emotional about this, angry with what people don't see in front of their eyes, & the fact he's walked away. Really gutted.


Why’s he left school in October?

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Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Hi guys, this is probably not the right thread but... I've just found out that one of the very best young talents in the NW has ultimately walked away from Rugby...full stop. He was part of Sale sharks from 13-16 but was released from the program last year. The very weekend after he came up against the guy deemed better at sale. Needless to say that our lad smoked him. Ever since he lost faith in rugby whilst still playing at school but not at Waterloo colts. He's now left school this week & with it turned his back on the sport. I'm really emotional about this, angry with what people don't see in front of their eyes, & the fact he's walked away. Really gutted.


Why’s he left school in October?



Lead to believe he had a change of heart regarding A levels & is going to college instead.
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Loo F - sadly, this is an increasing trend within the game irrespective of the playing standard. One of my closest friends is head of sport at Sedbergh and he was telling me that the crop who went unbeaten throughout the season - some of whom represented England have all retired from the game with the exception of 3.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pen 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 10:37
great shame to lose players ,however players seem to have high expectations when they play for sale .The track record for players breaking through is not great and leaves a lot of players dissappointed
was told ,at the end of 16/17 we will not see you next season but we will the one after .think not otley
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If your going to make it at sale apart from natural talent going to a private school and having influential parentage are key.
If you don't tick at least two boxes your just making up the numbers.
Lots of youngsters go through the academy and get dropped with a btech in sports something then fall out with the game.
Education needs to be the priority with every young player not rugby.
the rfu should make sure every young lad coming out of colts rugby has a club welcoming them to a level appropriate to their skills.
The rfu does very little for the people paying exorbitant prices to watch the elite public schoolboys at the top of the game.
We need to grow the game from the roots up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RatBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 09:48
sounds like he needs to learn one big lesson from this, for life - not rugby 

1) improve his resilience - peanut happens, in rugby and life, you cant just give up because you have had your feelings hurt, should act as a catalyst to try harder, push on and succeed, to prove those people who didn't believe that they were wrong 

if you are close to him Loo Fighter, introduce him to the concept of fixed/growth mindsets and tell him to sit down, decide what he wants in his life in 1/3/5 years and set targets, with milestones, seek out a mentor or none bias anchor to run them by

if rugby isn't in that, thats his own decision




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Originally posted by RatBoy RatBoy wrote:

sounds like he needs to learn one big lesson from this, for life - not rugby 

1) improve his resilience - peanut happens, in rugby and life, you cant just give up because you have had your feelings hurt, should act as a catalyst to try harder, push on and succeed, to prove those people who didn't believe that they were wrong 

if you are close to him Loo Fighter, introduce him to the concept of fixed/growth mindsets and tell him to sit down, decide what he wants in his life in 1/3/5 years and set targets, with milestones, seek out a mentor or none bias anchor to run them by

if rugby isn't in that, thats his own decision

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Originally posted by RatBoy RatBoy wrote:

sounds like he needs to learn one big lesson from this, for life - not rugby 

1) improve his resilience - peanut happens, in rugby and life, you cant just give up because you have had your feelings hurt, should act as a catalyst to try harder, push on and succeed, to prove those people who didn't believe that they were wrong 

if you are close to him Loo Fighter, introduce him to the concept of fixed/growth mindsets and tell him to sit down, decide what he wants in his life in 1/3/5 years and set targets, with milestones, seek out a mentor or none bias anchor to run them by

if rugby isn't in that, thats his own decision

 

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Originally posted by RatBoy RatBoy wrote:

sounds like he needs to learn one big lesson from this, for life - not rugby 

1) improve his resilience - peanut happens, in rugby and life, you cant just give up because you have had your feelings hurt, should act as a catalyst to try harder, push on and succeed, to prove those people who didn't believe that they were wrong 

if you are close to him Loo Fighter, introduce him to the concept of fixed/growth mindsets and tell him to sit down, decide what he wants in his life in 1/3/5 years and set targets, with milestones, seek out a mentor or none bias anchor to run them by

if rugby isn't in that, thats his own decision






Certainly wasn't due to having his feelings hurt, it's disillusionment with the Sale thing & he's not alone & better things to do at the weekend. He comes from a very good family & is moving on.
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Maybe your friend should reflect on this and think about the experience he is giving them. 

These public School 'hothouses' may be great for the reputation of the respective school but if the players get mentally burnt out at a young age it's no surprise they drop out of the game. 

Let's be honest, how many parents send their kids to Sedbergh for its academic record.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 15:03
Yet again someone shooting from the hip gets stuck into the public school thing - from my ( limited I accept) knowledge of Sale ( whether old, new or in transition) they have never been regarded as an "elite" club in that sense and it would be interesting to learn how many of their current squad actually went to such schools via parental finance as opposed to some form of scholarship.

As for throwing your toys out at an early age that has often happened but nowadays children are so protected at home, at school and indeed at their local club that they cant handle any form of setback. 30 years ago social rugby was still alive and kicking but now every game is competitive and competition focussed which means for some that winning is the only acceptable result.

I think you are being over sensitive LF - it is for Loo to engender the sort of spirit that encourages young players to carry on. By all accounts Caldy seem to manage it?
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disillusionment/throwing your toys - whatever you want to call it 

its down to him to understand his "why", why he wants to play rugby - by the sounds of it, he has made his decision, which shouldn't be proportioned to "the system"

if his "why" is to make it as a professional i would implore him or any other young up and coming player to read this - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/10/27/rugbys-premiership-offers-an-unforgiving-reality-of-life-says-br/ 

a personal friend of mine, who gives a frank and honest review on life as a professional out of the top 10%

my "why" was to play with friends at my local club, that my dad had played for, to test myself every week against team mates, new signings, other teams/players and to give me a grounding that benefits me in life, with such characteristics as hardwork, persistence, metal and physical toughness, excellent communication skills, knowing how to deal with losses/failures - the list can go on 

when my "why" changed to a young family and wife, i stepped back and played 2xv, when it changed again through added responsibility and travelling at work, i gave up - these were my own and only my choices 

i completely agree with the comment young'uns today, dont get much feedback, they are often wrapped in cotton wool - thats an endemic thing around rugby, when he was released, he should have been told exactly why, why we dont think you are ready, constructively, to go and work on these things to be better in the future for whomever that is

if he loves rugby, he will be back fro Loo colts now he's left private school 

hardwork, resilience, persistence and a growth mindset, in rugby or life will set you up to achieve your goals - no matter what they are

i wish him all the best on his journey




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Sadly the RFU is complicit in this - the day they turned Colts rugby from under 19 to under 18. How can boys in their last year of school with all the pressures of A levels and deciding their futures be the backbone of an U18 club team. So many club Colts teams have disappeared as a result. When it was under 19 it allowed the u18 players to dip in and out of the season depending on other pressures. It also gave them exposure to 'adult' rugby and all the positives spoken about above. It served as bridge between schoolboy and adult rugby-a bridge now sadly knocked down. I have yet to see the reasoning behind this move.
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I think that one of the main problems is the structure of the Academy system which tends to fracture any relationship with the junior club they started playing for in the mini and Junior section, Premiership clubs tent to hoover up all potential players at an early age, and a great number of these boys will not develop into premiership players probably less than 10% they are then jettisoned, and be come disillusioned with the game. What they should do is work more closely with the junior clubs and keep these boys playing with their club even into their senior sections whilst mentoring them and if they show that their potential is developing then they can move into the A league squads whilst retaining their position in their home club.  too many Academy get loaned out by their premiership club to other teams in the league and even play against their home club which is illogical and breaks the link they formed as youth players. 
In the longer term the affect on the junior clubs is the loss of potential  managers , volunteers and officials, Unfortunately it is already plain to see as the management base of many clubs is not in the hands of 60/70 year old members with nothing below so in 5-10 years many clubs will be unable to continue. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 17:18
All excellent points W Bee - I never played colts rugby but stepped straight into senior rugby at Macclesfield from my school 2nd XV. There were some decent blokes about to look after you but no special privileges. The majority smoked and you were considered soft if you had shampoo!

Not sure the same environment exists anywhere nowadays.
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Originally posted by RatBoy RatBoy wrote:

disillusionment/throwing your toys - whatever you want to call it 

its down to him to understand his "why", why he wants to play rugby - by the sounds of it, he has made his decision, which shouldn't be proportioned to "the system"

if his "why" is to make it as a professional i would implore him or any other young up and coming player to read this - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/10/27/rugbys-premiership-offers-an-unforgiving-reality-of-life-says-br/ 

a personal friend of mine, who gives a frank and honest review on life as a professional out of the top 10%

my "why" was to play with friends at my local club, that my dad had played for, to test myself every week against team mates, new signings, other teams/players and to give me a grounding that benefits me in life, with such characteristics as hardwork, persistence, metal and physical toughness, excellent communication skills, knowing how to deal with losses/failures - the list can go on 

when my "why" changed to a young family and wife, i stepped back and played 2xv, when it changed again through added responsibility and travelling at work, i gave up - these were my own and only my choices 

i completely agree with the comment young'uns today, dont get much feedback, they are often wrapped in cotton wool - thats an endemic thing around rugby, when he was released, he should have been told exactly why, why we dont think you are ready, constructively, to go and work on these things to be better in the future for whomever that is

if he loves rugby, he will be back fro Loo colts now he's left private school 

hardwork, resilience, persistence and a growth mindset, in rugby or life will set you up to achieve your goals - no matter what they are

i wish him all the best on his journey



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Maybe with his attitude of "I'm going to just give up" is why he has been let go, the truth is sale see thousands of these lads pass through the gates many are only there because of their parentage or school attended. If he is so good why not keep in contact with sale,go to myerscough or wherever and force a rethink,the chances are yes he may be a nice boy but his whole spoon fed existence will mean he will take the easy way out.
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