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    Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 14:42

Doncaster         2 - 5       Cornish Pirates

London Scottish   1 - 4       Richmond

London Irish      5 - 2       Ealing

Jersey            5 - 1       Coventry

Bedford           5 - 2       Nottingham

Leeds             2 - 4       Glostolpury


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Predictions:
Doncaster 0-5 Cornish Pirates
London Scottish 1-4 Richmond
London Irish 4-0 Ealing - I've a feeling Ealing will rotate here. if at full strength i'd back Trailfinders.
Jersey 1-4 Coventry
Bedford 5-2 Nottingham
Leeds 5-0 Hartpury

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Predictions:
Doncaster 1-4 Cornish Pirates - Donny just not on form the last few weeks, and pirates looking for the top 5 finish will squeak one.
London Scottish 1-4 Richmond - Richmond to step down on a high note as Scottish get very poor return on their investment of going professional again this year. 
London Irish 5-0 Ealing - Ealing decided to put out their 2nd or 3rd choice team. Going to get hammered.
Jersey 5-1 Coventry - Coventry unlikely to make it consecutive road wins, and the islanders will be looking to leave their fans on a high note.
Bedford 2-5 Nottingham - Bedford took a lot of knocks at Ealing over the weekend, and I think that Nottingham will play very open and just score a couple points too many. I'm predicting 12 total tries.
Leeds 5-0 Hartpury - Now that they're safe, I'm guessing that Glostolpury Selects 15 will revert back to part-time status and get hammered by 65 by the Leeds players who are auditioning for new jobs.

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Doncaster 1-4 Cornish Pirates
London Scottish 4-1 Richmond
London Irish 5-1 Ealing 
Jersey 4-1 Coventry 
Bedford 5-2 Nottingham 
Leeds 4-1 Hartpury 
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:


Predictions:
London Scottish 1-4 Richmond - Richmond to step down on a high note as Scottish get very poor return on their investment of going professional again this year.


If LS got a poor return for their investment, Ealing have just wasted millions to come second. Looks as if they will also be wasting millions next season as well.

League tables never lie and the best team comes first and the poorest comes last, what ever the way you butter it.
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Why bother at all.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:


Predictions:
London Scottish 1-4 Richmond - Richmond to step down on a high note as Scottish get very poor return on their investment of going professional again this year.


If LS got a poor return for their investment, Ealing have just wasted millions to come second. Looks as if they will also be wasting millions next season as well.

League tables never lie and the best team comes first and the poorest comes last, what ever the way you butter it.
 
I think that with the current league set up, it is hard to feel like any investment is a good investment. For Ealing, I think that this year has been successful in terms of growing the fan base, (average attendance up over 200 per match) and I think that they will squeeze out half a win more than last year (when they had a draw). Probably not great ROI.
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Exiled Scot . . . surely the poorest team was Hartpury until they borrow another one . . gives a nice blue print for Ampthill to follow if they chose. I wonder how LS would feel if they had been in the relegation scrap to see the bottom side borrow a new team? . . all nicely summed up by Owen Slot in the Times . . . . . . 

Hartpury’s survival bid stretches spirit of the game to breaking point
“This is certainly the biggest game in the club’s history,” Mark Cornwell, the Hartpury head coach, said before their crucial fixture against London Scottish on Saturday. How fortunate, then, that he was able to call up Lewis Ludlow, the Gloucester flanker, who went over for two tries in a man-of-the-match performance in the 43-22 win that ensured their survival from relegation in the Greene King IPA Championship.

It was maybe fortunate, too, that he could call up Ben Vellacott, another Gloucester player, for the game. Yes, that is the same Ben Vellacott who was on the verge of the England squad 12 months ago.

Hartpury’s run of form, which has saved them from the drop, includes four wins from their past six games, a period which coincides almost exactly with the time that Vellacott has been playing with them. Probably, though, the biggest game in the club’s history was not London Scottish on Saturday but against fellow strugglers Richmond in February. For that game, Hartpury’s fortune extended so far that they could recruit 11 players from Gloucester and Bristol to help them out.

Two players came in for that game who never played for them before or since; Mat Protheroe was turning out for Hartpury against Richmond one week and then for Bristol against Harlequins the next.

Yes, Hartpury did beat Richmond and the inevitable shake-down was completed at the weekend. Hartpury survive, Richmond go down.

Hartpury are fortunate because the RFU’s rules allow any club ten players who are also registered with a Gallagher Premiership team, plus three loan players. No one really contemplated that you might play almost all of them at the same time. Dual registration is a fine idea in principle because it encourages Premiership teams to share their up-and-coming players to give them experience. It wasn’t meant for the likes of Gareth Denman, who has been in the Premiership for nine years, to come in for one game (against Richmond) because Hartpury are petrified of relegation.

These are financial decisions too. You go down, you lose your £570,000 RFU funding. Maybe those Hartpury players who were ditched for that big Richmond game don’t feel so sore any more. Maybe Hartpury have been smart. Maybe I should declare a Richmond allegiance. Yet it is not just in this corner of London that rugby people are asking whether Hartpury are playing within, or remotely close to, the spirit of the game.


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Doncaster         4 - 1       Cornish Pirates - Home advantage just

London Scottish   Draw       Richmond - tough tough battle for both teams

London Irish      2 - 5       Ealing - Game of the weekend, means more to Ealing

Jersey            2 - 5       Coventry - Great finish for Cov after succesful return

Bedford           2 - 5       Nottingham - Bedford on their holidays

Leeds             2 - 4       Glostolpury


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Winning the Cup Final is surely more important to Ealing than beating London Irish in what is now a meaningless league game. I'll be surprised if we do not rest some of our key performers.
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Doncaster 1-4 Cornish Pirates
London Scottish 4-1 Richmond
London Irish 5-1 Ealing 
Jersey 4-1 Coventry 
Bedford 5 -0 Nottingham 
Leeds 4-0 Hartpury 
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Exiled Scot . . . surely the poorest team was Hartpury until they borrow another one . . gives a nice blue print for Ampthill to follow if they chose. I wonder how LS would feel if they had been in the relegation scrap to see the bottom side borrow a new team? . . all nicely summed up by Owen Slot in the Times . . . . . . 

Hartpury’s survival bid stretches spirit of the game to breaking point
“This is certainly the biggest game in the club’s history,” Mark Cornwell, the Hartpury head coach, said before their crucial fixture against London Scottish on Saturday. How fortunate, then, that he was able to call up Lewis Ludlow, the Gloucester flanker, who went over for two tries in a man-of-the-match performance in the 43-22 win that ensured their survival from relegation in the Greene King IPA Championship.

It was maybe fortunate, too, that he could call up Ben Vellacott, another Gloucester player, for the game. Yes, that is the same Ben Vellacott who was on the verge of the England squad 12 months ago.

Hartpury’s run of form, which has saved them from the drop, includes four wins from their past six games, a period which coincides almost exactly with the time that Vellacott has been playing with them. Probably, though, the biggest game in the club’s history was not London Scottish on Saturday but against fellow strugglers Richmond in February. For that game, Hartpury’s fortune extended so far that they could recruit 11 players from Gloucester and Bristol to help them out.

Two players came in for that game who never played for them before or since; Mat Protheroe was turning out for Hartpury against Richmond one week and then for Bristol against Harlequins the next.

Yes, Hartpury did beat Richmond and the inevitable shake-down was completed at the weekend. Hartpury survive, Richmond go down.

Hartpury are fortunate because the RFU’s rules allow any club ten players who are also registered with a Gallagher Premiership team, plus three loan players. No one really contemplated that you might play almost all of them at the same time. Dual registration is a fine idea in principle because it encourages Premiership teams to share their up-and-coming players to give them experience. It wasn’t meant for the likes of Gareth Denman, who has been in the Premiership for nine years, to come in for one game (against Richmond) because Hartpury are petrified of relegation.

These are financial decisions too. You go down, you lose your £570,000 RFU funding. Maybe those Hartpury players who were ditched for that big Richmond game don’t feel so sore any more. Maybe Hartpury have been smart. Maybe I should declare a Richmond allegiance. Yet it is not just in this corner of London that rugby people are asking whether Hartpury are playing within, or remotely close to, the spirit of the game. 

Whether it was LS or any other club, we would all feel the same way. However, the regulations are what they and this allowed Hartpury to exploit them to the full. Any other club could have done just that, had they wanted to. It must have had a devastating effect on squad spirit at Hartpury this season, particularly for those who were discarded to make way for the Premiership players. Time to get the regulations altered and that's in the hands of the Championship Clubs' Committee and the RFU, so over to them !

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Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Exiled Scot . . . surely the poorest team was Hartpury until they borrow another one . . gives a nice blue print for Ampthill to follow if they chose. I wonder how LS would feel if they had been in the relegation scrap to see the bottom side borrow a new team? . . all nicely summed up by Owen Slot in the Times . . . . . . 

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Hartpury’s survival bid stretches spirit of the game to breaking point
“This is certainly the biggest game in the club’s history,” Mark Cornwell, the Hartpury head coach, said before their crucial fixture against London Scottish on Saturday. How fortunate, then, that he was able to call up Lewis Ludlow, the Gloucester flanker, who went over for two tries in a man-of-the-match performance in the 43-22 win that ensured their survival from relegation in the Greene King IPA Championship.</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">It was maybe fortunate, too, that he could call up Ben Vellacott, another Gloucester player, for the game. Yes, that is the same Ben Vellacott who was on the verge of the England squad 12 months ago.</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Hartpury’s run of form, which has saved them from the drop, includes four wins from their past six games, a period which coincides almost exactly with the time that Vellacott has been playing with them. Probably, though, the biggest game in the club’s history was not London Scottish on Saturday but against fellow strugglers Richmond in February. For that game, Hartpury’s fortune extended so far that they could recruit 11 players from Gloucester and Bristol to help them out.</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Two players came in for that game who never played for them before or since; Mat Protheroe was turning out for Hartpury against Richmond one week and then for Bristol against Harlequins the next.</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Yes, Hartpury did beat Richmond and the inevitable shake-down was completed at the weekend. Hartpury survive, Richmond go down.</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Hartpury are fortunate because the RFU’s rules allow any club ten players who are also registered with a Gallagher Premiership team, plus three loan players. No one really contemplated that you might play almost all of them at the same time. Dual registration is a fine idea in principle because it encourages Premiership teams to share their up-and-coming players to give them experience. It wasn’t meant for the likes of Gareth Denman, who has been in the Premiership for nine years, to come in for one game (against Richmond) because Hartpury are petrified of relegation.</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-size: 9px;">These are financial decisions too. You go down, you lose your £570,000 RFU funding. Maybe those Hartpury players who were ditched for that big Richmond game don’t feel so sore any more. Maybe Hartpury have been smart. Maybe I should declare a Richmond allegiance. Yet it is not just in this corner of London that rugby people are asking whether Hartpury are playing within, or remotely close to, the spirit of the game. </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
</span>

<p style="caret-color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: HelveticaNeue; text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Whether it was LS or any other club, we would all feel the same way. However, the regulations are what they and this allowed Hartpury to exploit them to the full. Any other club could have done just that, had they wanted to. It must have had a devastating effect on squad spirit at Hartpury this season, particularly for those who were discarded to make way for the Premiership players. Time to get the regulations altered and that's in the hands of the Championship Clubs' Committee and the RFU, so over to them !</span>



League positions are determined over the course of a season and not over one off matches or head to head matches.

I would suggest if anyone has an axe to grind they should aim their anger at Leeds, who were detached from the rest of the league, but brought in 8 or so new players at Xmas and turned around their fortunes and league position.

Both Hartbury & Leeds opted to take different approaches, but both were within the rules of the Championship. Didn’t realise Owen Slot was a Richmond supporter, but there was nothing to stop Richmond from adopting a similar approach, but choose not to do so. I suppose that’s the difference between professional and semi pros sides in the Championship.
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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:


Predictions:
London Scottish 1-4 Richmond - Richmond to step down on a high note as Scottish get very poor return on their investment of going professional again this year.


If LS got a poor return for their investment, Ealing have just wasted millions to come second. Looks as if they will also be wasting millions next season as well.

League tables never lie and the best team comes first and the poorest comes last, what ever the way you butter it.


 

London Irish top the table and by your logic they are the `best team` and the wealthiest ( no coincidence ). This equates according to your logic that every penny spent below London Irish is `wasted` and next year  all clubs will be wasting money. 

London Irish get a big slice of the sinister CVC money and will move to their new London Stadium and it becomes virtually impossible for any other club below to compete for ever more. I personally hope that someone decides to `waste` their money and formulate a team that can get into the premiership. 

We could cease to try and resolve ourselves to the Championship.
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Doncaster Knights 0-4 Cornish Pirates
London Scottish 1-5 Richmond
London Irish 5-1 Ealing 
Jersey 5-1 Coventry 
Bedford 5-0 Nottingham 
Yorkshire Carnegie 5-0 Hartpury 
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Ealing should beat Irish. We have nothing to play for and they will have a point to prove. 
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That point might be better proved in the Cup final than in a meaningless end-of-season league match.
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I personally am looking at it as a pseudo-playoffs, so I'm hoping that they take both games seriously. The cup final only nets an extra £10k for the winner if I remember correctly, but a win home and away for Ealing (a tough ask), would be very good ammunition against the ringfence brigade. I think that has a lot more value than £10k for Ealing.

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Doncaster 1-4 Cornish Pirates
London Scottish 5-1 Richmond
London Irish 5-1 Ealing 
Jersey 5-1 Coventry 
Bedford 5-2 Nottingham 
Leeds 4-1 Hartpury
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Doncaster 1 Pirates 5
Scottish 1 Richmond 4
Irish 5 Ealing 1
Jersey 1 Coventry 4
Bedford 5 Nottingham 1
Carnegie 5 Hartpury 1
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