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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2014 at 17:11
Originally posted by Tommy Tommy wrote:

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Superb entertaining game. A credit to both sides. Championship Rugby at its best. Should be a must to watch the remaining play off Finals.


Wouldn't this make a great day out coupled with Saracens v Saints at Twickenham or am I just being daft?
 
they had a similar thing a few years ago - remember bristol beating waterloo in a cup final at hq as a support game
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 08:43
Completely agree, elegia, the Championship final should be a showcase game at HQ - not shuffled off to a mid-week slot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 08:54
But how many people would actually turn up to a showcase game at HQ?  I reckon you'd struggle to get anywhere near 10k - so do the powers-that-be do what they've done with the Anglo-Welsh Cup, and stage it at Sixways or Franklins Gardens?
The clubs - led by Bristol & Exeter - pushed for home and away matches, for purely financial reasons, and it would never be played as a curtain raiser for the Premiership final because Premier Rugby won't split the pot 14 ways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 09:22
It shouldnt be at Twickenham, not enough people would attend to make it worth while, it should be two legged but should be at the weekend.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 11:21
OK, maybe two legs is better financially - but as you say rotherhamtillidie, it should at least be on a weekend.
I just remember with such fondness the cup final The Pirates played against Exeter at Twickenham. It was the best day I've ever experienced in 50 years of supporting my club.
To play such a pivotal fixture on two Wednesday evenings seems to devalue it and is a bit of an insult to The Championship and especially the two clubs who have managed to get there.
It's not quite so bad this year as it at least possible for away fans to get to the games. But if the game had, say, been between Roth and Plymouth it would be virtually impossible for most people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 17:46
doesn't seem to matter to Bristol as it looks likely they might sell the Mem out
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 18:56
I agree with you Tommy coupled with Premiership final a great day out.
Or even a Triple header with Barbarians v England , County Championship final and Championship final.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2014 at 21:27
I'm glad that our final game at the Mem will be under the lights in front of a capacity crowd. The last one I remember was 5 years ago.

What ever the result, it'll be a fitting send off for the ground.

As for a show piece final at HQ, we could probably muster 15k with the right marketing and transport, but in an 80k stadium it wouldn't generate the same atmosphere.
(If we used Sarries marketing trick of giving away 5 tickets per employee of their main sponsor, then maybe we could increase that significantly)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2014 at 08:15
A virtually full stadium of 15k would be a much better advert than 15k in an 80k stadium IMO. A "packed house" sounds much better than "only 15k".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2014 at 09:14
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

OK, maybe two legs is better financially - but as you say rotherhamtillidie, it should at least be on a weekend.
I just remember with such fondness the cup final The Pirates played against Exeter at Twickenham. It was the best day I've ever experienced in 50 years of supporting my club.
To play such a pivotal fixture on two Wednesday evenings seems to devalue it and is a bit of an insult to The Championship and especially the two clubs who have managed to get there.
It's not quite so bad this year as it at least possible for away fans to get to the games. But if the game had, say, been between Roth and Plymouth it would be virtually impossible for most people.
 
 
a reminder, to those who needed it, that the tv companies who pay large sums for the rights to certain events/sports expect to be able to influence scheduling to suit their needs, rather than have games arranged to suit the supporters of the participating clubs who wish to attend the games (especially away supporters). sky would much rather have the game on a  wednesday when there are few rival attractions. it's the same with the rugby world cup - irb demands 80m quid contribution from host union, so host union needs to ensure high-priced tickets & hefty tv deal (for the big games) to guarantee this, so tv company (itv in this case) pays top dollar but demands evening KOs for major games - this may not suit 'live' supporters, but ensures high tv audiences & therefore maximum return on investment through higher rates for advertisers...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2014 at 15:03
The question is though islander, what constitutes "large sums" and "top dollar"? The accepted wisdom here is that Sky's contribution is very little, although I read an article containing quotes from Pirates' owner that suggested that they are far greater than we all thought - enough to make the central payment up to £750,000 (http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/s-time-says-Cornish-Pirates-owner-Dicky-Evans/story-19926183-detail/story.html).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2014 at 12:55
Great news the final at Bristol has sold out. Good luck to both sides.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2014 at 15:04
Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

The question is though islander, what constitutes "large sums" ...
 
believe the current sky deal was 15m per season, agreed in 2008 and running 2010-15, and the championship is part of that... [ source - daily mail
 
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and "top dollar"?
 
 
60m paid by ITV for world cup [ source - media week ]
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2014 at 15:16
Originally posted by geralltrugby geralltrugby wrote:

Great news the final at Bristol has sold out. Good luck to both sides.
Great support Briz and LW. I was hoping to get over to see the second leg but with that level of support its only right that proper fans of Briz & LW get the tickets. I'll watch on Sky and deplete (exhaust?) my small cache of Liberation Herm Island Gold. Best of luck both teams.Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2014 at 16:07
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

The question is though islander, what constitutes "large sums" ...
 
believe the current sky deal was 15m per season, agreed in 2008 and running 2010-15, and the championship is part of that... [ source - daily mail

Yes, but what part? Your said it was a "large sum", what proportion of the figure you quote (which I find hard to believe - why would the contract be effectively front loaded by making 5 equal payments?) goes to the Championship clubs?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2014 at 17:08
I don't know RoD. I'm not sure the value of individual parts of the package were ever specified.
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